Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:
B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game. ACC - 42 games, 106.520 million total viewers, for a 2.536 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.
Cheers,
Neil
Edited to update ACC totals. I received an email saying I had the right number of games but not the correct total number of viewers. So I re-checked my spreadsheet and found my error.
Edit to the Edit thanks to Orangefan.
(This post was last modified: 12-13-2016 04:49 PM by omniorange.)
According to those numbers, again, the ACC comes in at #3 as the most watched college football conference.
Tier 1
SEC
BIG
Tier2
ACC
Tier3
Pac12
Big 12
No question why ESPN was willing to do an ACCN. They have the #1 college fb conference and the #3 college fb conference to go along with the #1 college basketball conference. Not bad for a conference with so many private schools and smaller state schools.
(This post was last modified: 12-11-2016 07:16 PM by cuseroc.)
(12-11-2016 10:13 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: What was this compared to last year?
I only did a comparison between the ACC and the B12 last year.
ACC - 39 games, 87.093 million total viewers, for a 2.233 average per game.
B12 - 46 games, 80.109 million total viewers, for a 1.742 average per game.
Maybe if I find the time I will go back and do the other three P5 conferences.
(12-12-2016 06:05 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: You including the few ND/ACC games?
I include any game (in conference or out of conference) that is part of the ACC TV contract. So when ND plays at home or the SEC rivalry games are at their place, they don't count. But when they are played at ACC venues, then they count.
(12-12-2016 06:05 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: You including the few ND/ACC games?
I include any game (in conference or out of conference) that is part of the ACC TV contract. So when ND plays at home or the SEC rivalry games are at their place, they don't count. But when they are played at ACC venues, then they count.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Neil
That method is accurate in terms of the value of THIS YEAR'S games, but not in terms of the value of the BRANDS. To do that, you'd really need to credit both teams (visitor too) for TV ratings. More work - maybe someone else would like to take on that project?
(12-11-2016 06:41 PM)omniorange Wrote: Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:
B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.
Cheers,
Neil
(12-12-2016 12:29 AM)omniorange Wrote:
(12-11-2016 10:13 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: What was this compared to last year?
I only did a comparison between the ACC and the B12 last year.
ACC - 39 games, 87.093 million total viewers, for a 2.233 average per game.
B12 - 46 games, 80.109 million total viewers, for a 1.742 average per game.
Maybe if I find the time I will go back and do the other three P5 conferences.
Cheers,
Neil
So the ACC ratings increased slightly while the Big XII decreased slightly. To be honest, part of the ACC increase is probably due to having 3 of the 4 ACC/SEC rivalry games on ACC soil in 2016. Nonetheless, having 5 teams ranked at the end of the season was surely a boost as well.
(12-11-2016 06:41 PM)omniorange Wrote: Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:
B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.
Cheers,
Neil
(12-12-2016 12:29 AM)omniorange Wrote:
(12-11-2016 10:13 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: What was this compared to last year?
I only did a comparison between the ACC and the B12 last year.
ACC - 39 games, 87.093 million total viewers, for a 2.233 average per game.
B12 - 46 games, 80.109 million total viewers, for a 1.742 average per game.
Maybe if I find the time I will go back and do the other three P5 conferences.
Cheers,
Neil
So the ACC ratings increased slightly while the Big XII decreased slightly. To be honest, part of the ACC increase is probably due to having 3 of the 4 ACC/SEC rivalry games on ACC soil in 2016. Nonetheless, having 5 teams ranked at the end of the season was surely a boost as well.
To go with 2 schools in the CFP hunt most of the year and the Top 2 Players for the Heisman...
(12-11-2016 06:41 PM)omniorange Wrote: Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:
B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.
Cheers,
Neil
(12-12-2016 12:29 AM)omniorange Wrote:
(12-11-2016 10:13 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: What was this compared to last year?
I only did a comparison between the ACC and the B12 last year.
ACC - 39 games, 87.093 million total viewers, for a 2.233 average per game.
B12 - 46 games, 80.109 million total viewers, for a 1.742 average per game.
Maybe if I find the time I will go back and do the other three P5 conferences.
Cheers,
Neil
So the ACC ratings increased slightly while the Big XII decreased slightly. To be honest, part of the ACC increase is probably due to having 3 of the 4 ACC/SEC rivalry games on ACC soil in 2016. Nonetheless, having 5 teams ranked at the end of the season was surely a boost as well.
And this year's ACC numbers are actually higher than I originally reported. I edited the original post. Somehow I had the right number of games but not the correct total number of viewers. The per game average is 2.505 million viewers.
I won't bother to correct my post over on the Conference Realignment board, since I might have an error in the other conferences as well.
(12-12-2016 06:05 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: You including the few ND/ACC games?
I include any game (in conference or out of conference) that is part of the ACC TV contract. So when ND plays at home or the SEC rivalry games are at their place, they don't count. But when they are played at ACC venues, then they count.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Neil
That method is accurate in terms of the value of THIS YEAR'S games, but not in terms of the value of the BRANDS. To do that, you'd really need to credit both teams (visitor too) for TV ratings. More work - maybe someone else would like to take on that project?
Somehow I missed this post previously. Anyway, I understand your point but ultimately think a one-year analysis of this would not tell us much more than the analysis I have done. A five year analysis would probably tell us more, especially in regards to programs that are not King level but rather the next two levels down.
Anyway, that is my thoughts on this particular topic.
(12-11-2016 06:41 PM)omniorange Wrote: Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:
B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game. ACC - 43 games, 107.703 million total viewers, for a 2.505 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.
Cheers,
Neil
Edited to update ACC totals. I received an email saying I had the right number of games but not the correct total number of viewers. So I re-checked my spreadsheet and found my error.
Neil - I'm wondering how you calculated the totals. I have been tracking the ACC TV viewers as well, which I include in the attached spreadsheet. I come up with 97.831 million viewers for 40 ACC tv package games, excluding 5 games that were shown as part of regional coverage.
(12-11-2016 06:41 PM)omniorange Wrote: Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:
B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game. ACC - 43 games, 107.703 million total viewers, for a 2.505 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.
Cheers,
Neil
Edited to update ACC totals. I received an email saying I had the right number of games but not the correct total number of viewers. So I re-checked my spreadsheet and found my error.
Neil - I'm wondering how you calculated the totals. I have been tracking the ACC TV viewers as well, which I include in the attached spreadsheet. I come up with 97.831 million viewers for 40 ACC tv package games, excluding 5 games that were shown as part of regional coverage.
Hi Orangefan,
Thanks for the spreadsheet. In comparing them I see I mistakenly had one game listed twice, so that gets me down to 42 games with a total of 106.520 million viewers. I assume the highlighted games on your sheet you excluded from your final totals based upon my criteria above.
However, two of those highlighted games were neutral site games, which based upon my stated criteria I could see why you didn't include them. Since they were neutral site one-off games I included them both in my ACC and SEC totals. If anyone believe this is in error please let me know.
Also, I used the numbers from SportsMedia Watch and if those were the numbers you used, your totals for Louisville/Clemson and FSU/Louisville are slightly off. Once those differences are accounted for, we now would match.
I see your sheet shows every game including the road games and the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games. Do you just list them for informational purposes or have you found a way to incorporate them, especially the mirror games, for a particular analysis? If the latter, I'd be interested in seeing your take on how best to incorporate the mirror games in an analysis.
I think I have the conference TV pkg for each neutral site game here:
Ole Miss vs. FSU -- ACC
Notre Dame vs. Syracuse -- ACC
Va Tech vs. Tennessee -- SEC
Unfortunately ESPN doesn't report enough information to allow us to separate out the split national and/or reverse mirror games.
If we only count ACC games on the ACC TV contract, I get...
41 games, 100.73 million total viewers, for 2.46 million/game average.
I didn't count VT/TN on that list, though I did count the ACC CG. Not sure what other game(s) might be different between our lists.
(This post was last modified: 12-13-2016 07:37 PM by Hokie Mark.)
(12-13-2016 06:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: I think I have the conference TV pkg for each neutral site game here:
Ole Miss vs. FSU -- ACC
Notre Dame vs. Syracuse -- ACC
Va Tech vs. Tennessee -- SEC
Unfortunately ESPN doesn't report enough information to allow us to separate out the split national and/or reverse mirror games.
If we only count ACC games on the ACC TV contract, I get...
41 games, 100.73 million total viewers, for 2.46 million/game average.
I didn't count VT/TN on that list, though I did count the ACC CG. Not sure what other game(s) might be different between our lists.
VT vs Tenn was an ABC game. SEC TV contract with CBS prevents the ESPN portion of their contract from airing SEC TV contract games on ABC, otherwise we would see SEC games on ABC at both the noon and especially the 8PM time slots.
It is my understanding that ABC purchased that game separate and distinct since it didn't technically fall under either contracts. Chick-fil-A Kickoff Bowl operates the same way, although they always have an SEC team involved, it is my understanding the network needs to purchase that game separately, which is why CBS had it last year for Louisville vs Auburn, when most years it is televised by ESPN.
Forgot all about the fact that the Ole Miss/FSU game was played in Orlando. Not sure about this game.
The technical question for me is that I have always counted (when I was aware of them) the neutral site games that are not part of any conference's TV package (unlike say the Red River Rivalry game that is played at a neutral site between OU and Texas every year) as "belonging" to both conference's TV packages since to do otherwise is to not count them at all which puts those conferences involved at a disadvantage in terms of comparison with other conferences since most of these games have 4 million plus viewers.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Neil
(This post was last modified: 12-13-2016 09:16 PM by omniorange.)
(12-13-2016 06:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: I think I have the conference TV pkg for each neutral site game here:
Ole Miss vs. FSU -- ACC
Notre Dame vs. Syracuse -- ACC
Va Tech vs. Tennessee -- SEC
Unfortunately ESPN doesn't report enough information to allow us to separate out the split national and/or reverse mirror games.
If we only count ACC games on the ACC TV contract, I get...
41 games, 100.73 million total viewers, for 2.46 million/game average.
I didn't count VT/TN on that list, though I did count the ACC CG. Not sure what other game(s) might be different between our lists.
VT vs Tenn was an ABC game. SEC TV contract with CBS prevents the ESPN portion of their contract from airing SEC TV contract games on ABC, otherwise we would see SEC games on ABC at both the noon and especially the 8PM time slots.
It is my understanding that ABC purchased that game separate and distinct since it didn't technically fall under either contracts. Chick-fil-A Kickoff Bowl operates the same way, although they always have an SEC team involved, it is my understanding the network needs to purchase that game separately, which is why CBS had it last year for Louisville vs Auburn, when most years it is televised by ESPN.
Forgot all about the fact that the Ole Miss/FSU game was played in Orlando. Not sure about this game.
The technical question for me is that I have always counted (when I was aware of them) the neutral site games that are not part of any conference's TV package (unlike say the Red River Rivalry game that is played at a neutral site between OU and Texas every year) as "belonging" to both conference's TV packages since to do otherwise is to not count them at all which puts those conferences involved at a disadvantage in terms of comparison with other conferences since most of these games have 4 million plus viewers.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Neil
Ole Miss vs FSU was the easiest one to figure out -- the ACC TV contract calls for one game per year on Labor Day night.
(12-13-2016 06:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: I think I have the conference TV pkg for each neutral site game here:
Ole Miss vs. FSU -- ACC
Notre Dame vs. Syracuse -- ACC
Va Tech vs. Tennessee -- SEC
Unfortunately ESPN doesn't report enough information to allow us to separate out the split national and/or reverse mirror games.
If we only count ACC games on the ACC TV contract, I get...
41 games, 100.73 million total viewers, for 2.46 million/game average.
I didn't count VT/TN on that list, though I did count the ACC CG. Not sure what other game(s) might be different between our lists.
VT vs Tenn was an ABC game. SEC TV contract with CBS prevents the ESPN portion of their contract from airing SEC TV contract games on ABC, otherwise we would see SEC games on ABC at both the noon and especially the 8PM time slots.
It is my understanding that ABC purchased that game separate and distinct since it didn't technically fall under either contracts. Chick-fil-A Kickoff Bowl operates the same way, although they always have an SEC team involved, it is my understanding the network needs to purchase that game separately, which is why CBS had it last year for Louisville vs Auburn, when most years it is televised by ESPN.
Forgot all about the fact that the Ole Miss/FSU game was played in Orlando. Not sure about this game.
The technical question for me is that I have always counted (when I was aware of them) the neutral site games that are not part of any conference's TV package (unlike say the Red River Rivalry game that is played at a neutral site between OU and Texas every year) as "belonging" to both conference's TV packages since to do otherwise is to not count them at all which puts those conferences involved at a disadvantage in terms of comparison with other conferences since most of these games have 4 million plus viewers.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Neil
Ole Miss vs FSU was the easiest one to figure out -- the ACC TV contract calls for one game per year on Labor Day night.
Good point about FSU/Ole Miss. Again, I wasn't even thinking of it as a neutral site game forgetting all about the fact that it was played in Orlando. So it's always been in my totals.