http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...-saturday-

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

P5
SEC: Rating 6.6   viewers 11.1 million
Big 10: Rating  5.3  viewers 9.2 million
Pac 10: Rating  3.4  viewers  5.7 million
ACC: Rating  3.3   viewers  5.3 million
"Big 12" (OSU and OU)  3.1  viewers  4.8 million
 
G5
AAC: Rating 1.4    viewers 2.1 million
MAC: Rating 1.0?  viewers 1.4 million
CUSA: Rating 0.6  viewers  926,000
MW: Rating 0.4  viewers 713,000

Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:

B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.

Cheers,
Neil

Thanks, guys - I know you put a lot of time into all that number crunching.

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Anyone know the difference in total living alumni between each conference?

Not great in the least. Not a lot of playoff implications for each PAIR of teams playing in the games. Just another ho-hum win and in week for #'s 3/4, but that's really every week in college football. The PSU/Bama games really didn't make a difference in terms of setting up the Final Four.

That's why I am a proponent of getting rid of them for a regional QF in its place.

(12-11-2016 07:17 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Not great in the least. Not a lot of playoff implications for each PAIR of teams playing in the games. Just another ho-hum win and in week for #'s 3/4, but that's really every week in college football. The PSU/Bama games really didn't make a difference in terms of setting up the Final Four.

That's why I am a proponent of getting rid of them for a regional QF in its place.

At some point in time, it wouldn't surprise me if these CCGs don't, in essence, become the QFs.

But that is a ways off.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-11-2016 06:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Anyone know the difference in total living alumni between each conference?

The B10 has over 4 million living alums.

The SEC and ACC each have a little over 2 million, iirc.

(12-11-2016 08:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Anyone know the difference in total living alumni between each conference?

The B10 has over 4 million living alums.

The SEC and ACC each have a little over 2 million, iirc.

SEC doesn't have pro sports competition in most of its markets.

B1G isn't that fanatical about football but a huge population generally to work with. The population adopts the local team.

I don't think its as much about alumni count as the statewide populations when you have the #1 state university. For the second tier schools alumni size becomes more important as does distance from the #1 school.

(12-11-2016 06:13 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...-saturday-

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

P5
SEC: Rating 6.6   viewers 11.1 million
Big 10: Rating  5.3  viewers 9.2 million
Pac 10: Rating  3.4  viewers  5.7 million
ACC: Rating  3.3   viewers  5.3 million
"Big 12" (OSU and OU)  3.1  viewers  4.8 million
 
G5
AAC: Rating 1.4    viewers 2.1 million
MAC: Rating 1.0?  viewers 1.4 million
CUSA: Rating 0.6  viewers  926,000
MW: Rating 0.4  viewers 713,000

And I thought San Diego St was supposed to bring big tv ratings to the AAC? That's the reason why Aresco invited them right?
Cheers!

(12-11-2016 06:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:

B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.

Cheers,
Neil

I assume you meant so-called p5 overall games, because for some reason you left off the AAC whom I'm guessing had ratings closer to the p5 conferences than the g5. That would be an interesting stat

(12-11-2016 08:44 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:13 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...-saturday-

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/12/...iewership/

P5
SEC: Rating 6.6   viewers 11.1 million
Big 10: Rating  5.3  viewers 9.2 million
Pac 10: Rating  3.4  viewers  5.7 million
ACC: Rating  3.3   viewers  5.3 million
"Big 12" (OSU and OU)  3.1  viewers  4.8 million
 
G5
AAC: Rating 1.4    viewers 2.1 million
MAC: Rating 1.0?  viewers 1.4 million
CUSA: Rating 0.6  viewers  926,000
MW: Rating 0.4  viewers 713,000

And I thought San Diego St was supposed to bring big tv ratings to the AAC? That's the reason why Aresco invited them right?
Cheers!

I guess they don't care about Aztec football. Must have been interested in the Big 10 and ACC CCG instead.

(12-11-2016 08:52 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:

B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.

Cheers,
Neil

I assume you meant so-called p5 overall games, because for some reason you left off the AAC whom I'm guessing had ratings closer to the p5 conferences than the g5. That would be an interesting stat

Nothing "so-called" about the Power 5 being the Power 5. And yes, I would expect that the AAC has a higher viewership average per game than the other G5 conferences.

If you want to find out though, you can do the same as I did simply by going to this site: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ and doing the work - remember though for my analysi it is those games that were part of the conference TV contract, so the Houston/OU game helps the AAC numbers but the ND/Navy game does not since that is part of Navy's separate TV contract with CBS.

Happy hunting.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-11-2016 09:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:52 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:

B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.

Cheers,
Neil

I assume you meant so-called p5 overall games, because for some reason you left off the AAC whom I'm guessing had ratings closer to the p5 conferences than the g5. That would be an interesting stat

Nothing "so-called" about the Power 5 being the Power 5. And yes, I would expect that the AAC has a higher viewership average per game than the other G5 conferences.

If you want to find out though, you can do the same as I did simply by going to this site: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ and doing the work - remember though for my analysi it is those games that were part of the conference TV contract, so the Houston/OU game helps the AAC numbers but the ND/Navy game does not since that is part of Navy's separate TV contract with CBS.

Happy hunting.

Cheers,
Neil

Doesn't matter. Navy will be part of any new contract so those numbers are relevant to the value of the conference.

(12-11-2016 10:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 09:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:52 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:

B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.

Cheers,
Neil

I assume you meant so-called p5 overall games, because for some reason you left off the AAC whom I'm guessing had ratings closer to the p5 conferences than the g5. That would be an interesting stat

Nothing "so-called" about the Power 5 being the Power 5. And yes, I would expect that the AAC has a higher viewership average per game than the other G5 conferences.

If you want to find out though, you can do the same as I did simply by going to this site: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ and doing the work - remember though for my analysi it is those games that were part of the conference TV contract, so the Houston/OU game helps the AAC numbers but the ND/Navy game does not since that is part of Navy's separate TV contract with CBS.

Happy hunting.

Cheers,
Neil

Doesn't matter. Navy will be part of any new contract so those numbers are relevant to the value of the conference.

Only if Navy gets the same or more now. Are they willing to take a cut in tv revs once the cbs contract is up?

(12-11-2016 10:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 09:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:52 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Overall for the season, including CCGs, for all games televised (with the exception of the ABC/ESPN2 mirror games since it isn't shown which game earned which percentage of the viewers) on CBS, ABC, FOX, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, and ESPNU the totals for each conference for games that belonged to their TV contracts:

B1G - 40 games, 139.843 million total viewers, for a 3.496 million per game.
SEC - 49 games, 169.789 million total viewers, for a 3.465 million per game.
ACC - 43 games, 97.152 million total viewers, for a 2.259 million per game.
P12 - 45 games, 75.356 million total viewers, for a 1.675 million per game.
B12 - 44 games, 72.637 million total viewers, for a 1.651 million per game.

Cheers,
Neil

I assume you meant so-called p5 overall games, because for some reason you left off the AAC whom I'm guessing had ratings closer to the p5 conferences than the g5. That would be an interesting stat

Nothing "so-called" about the Power 5 being the Power 5. And yes, I would expect that the AAC has a higher viewership average per game than the other G5 conferences.

If you want to find out though, you can do the same as I did simply by going to this site: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ and doing the work - remember though for my analysi it is those games that were part of the conference TV contract, so the Houston/OU game helps the AAC numbers but the ND/Navy game does not since that is part of Navy's separate TV contract with CBS.

Happy hunting.

Cheers,
Neil

Doesn't matter. Navy will be part of any new contract so those numbers are relevant to the value of the conference.

Perhaps, but as of this moment it matters when using the above data as a comparison point since I only used those games that belong to the conference's TV contract. Conference TV contracts can only truly be defined in terms of the games that will be eligible to be shown by the network or networks involved.

Cheers,
Neil

P.S. - I should add that when doing an analysis of the past two years (which is a short term period so probably not the best) in terms of individual team TV value, my calculations of AAC teams has Houston first and Navy second (assuming of course the ND-Navy eventually goes to whichever conference Navy is in).

TV platform and time slot and head to head competition are all factors along with popularity of conference/team involved. I would expect more critical analysis from our resident media and ratings experts.

(12-12-2016 08:30 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  TV platform and time slot and head to head competition are all factors along with popularity of conference/team involved. I would expect more critical analysis from our resident media and ratings experts.

Its a good bit of work just putting together the numbers he did. Doing an analysis to make them comparable is a lot more.

The network they are on is a factor. Pac 12 and Big 12 are on FS1 a lot which has weak ratings.

He didn't include the split regional games which are some of the best rated games for the Big 12, ACC and Big 10. I don't recall any SEC or Pac 12 games being in that split slot (one game on ABC/ESPN with a mirror on ESPN2 depending on which part of the country).

The totals also include different %s of games for each conference. Conferences with a higher % of games are having their lower rated games drag down the average. If you assume 7 home games per P5 school, the %s are:
Big 10 41%
SEC 50%
ACC 44%
Pac 12 54%
Big 12 63%

If you normalize for these factors, the SEC will almost certainly be first as they are just behind the Big 10 in his numbers. ACC, Pac 12 and Big 12 will be closer, but hard to tell the impact.

(12-11-2016 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Anyone know the difference in total living alumni between each conference?

The B10 has over 4 million living alums.

The SEC and ACC each have a little over 2 million, iirc.

SEC doesn't have pro sports competition in most of its markets.

B1G isn't that fanatical about football but a huge population generally to work with. The population adopts the local team.

I don't think its as much about alumni count as the statewide populations when you have the #1 state university. For the second tier schools alumni size becomes more important as does distance from the #1 school.

"SEC doesn't have pro sports competition in most of its markets." ??

Atlanta - Falcons, Hawks, Braves
Florida Panthers
Houston Astros, Texans, Rockets
Jacksonville Jaguars
Miami Dolphins, Heat, Marlins
Nashville Predators
Kansas City Chiefs, Royals
St. Louis Blues, Cardinals
New Orleans Saints, Pelicans
Orlando Magic
Tampa Bay Bucanneers, Rays, Lightning
Tennessee Titans

I did not include the WNBA

(12-12-2016 08:54 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Anyone know the difference in total living alumni between each conference?

The B10 has over 4 million living alums.

The SEC and ACC each have a little over 2 million, iirc.

SEC doesn't have pro sports competition in most of its markets.

B1G isn't that fanatical about football but a huge population generally to work with. The population adopts the local team.

I don't think its as much about alumni count as the statewide populations when you have the #1 state university. For the second tier schools alumni size becomes more important as does distance from the #1 school.

"SEC doesn't have pro sports competition in most of its markets." ??

Atlanta - Falcons, Hawks, Braves
Florida Panthers
Houston Astros, Texans, Rockets
Jacksonville Jaguars
Miami Dolphins, Heat, Marlins
Nashville Predators
Kansas City Chiefs, Royals
St. Louis Blues, Cardinals
New Orleans Saints, Pelicans
Orlando Magic
Tampa Bay Bucanneers, Rays, Lightning
Tennessee Titans

I did not include the WNBS

So only 4 NFL teams to affect SEC teams huh? Yes, he's correct: there's not much real pro sports in the SEC markets. I like how you did the following too:
1. Counted KC and St Louis both as SEC territory.
2. Counted Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Orlando, Miami and "Florida" as cities
Is there a conference with LESS pro sports competition? I can imagine the ACC is awful with Pitt, Miami, Boston as the most obvious pro sports cities that come to mind.
Cheers!

(12-12-2016 09:45 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 08:54 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Anyone know the difference in total living alumni between each conference?

The B10 has over 4 million living alums.

The SEC and ACC each have a little over 2 million, iirc.

SEC doesn't have pro sports competition in most of its markets.

B1G isn't that fanatical about football but a huge population generally to work with. The population adopts the local team.

I don't think its as much about alumni count as the statewide populations when you have the #1 state university. For the second tier schools alumni size becomes more important as does distance from the #1 school.

"SEC doesn't have pro sports competition in most of its markets." ??

Atlanta - Falcons, Hawks, Braves
Florida Panthers
Houston Astros, Texans, Rockets
Jacksonville Jaguars
Miami Dolphins, Heat, Marlins
Nashville Predators
Kansas City Chiefs, Royals
St. Louis Blues, Cardinals
New Orleans Saints, Pelicans
Orlando Magic
Tampa Bay Bucanneers, Rays, Lightning
Tennessee Titans

I did not include the WNBS

So only 4 NFL teams to affect SEC teams huh? Yes, he's correct: there's not much real pro sports in the SEC markets. I like how you did the following too:
1. Counted KC and St Louis both as SEC territory.
2. Counted Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Orlando, Miami and "Florida" as cities
Is there a conference with LESS pro sports competition? I can imagine the ACC is awful with Pitt, Miami, Boston as the most obvious pro sports cities that come to mind.
Cheers!

I went through the big 10 just to see and off the top of my head came up with 44 pro teams. And only 2 members that had 0 competition for football Iowa and Nebraska.

The sec has a bunch Arkansas, Bama, Auburn, Ole miss, miss st, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, and South Carolina. Which is over half the conference. The thing about that too is the only pro team in any of those states is the predators and they offer 0 competition because those schools don't have hockey teams.