Does anyone believe if we could convince both Army and Air Force to join The American that it would help gain acceptance as a Power conference?

I've always felt if we had all 3 the political pressure would be fairly intense to give us Power conference status

Plus our conference name is the perfect fit to have the 3 military schools

Makes a lot of sense and I think as fans we all agree playing teams like Army and Navy in the past is pretty special

Easy bump up to 14 teams and gives us 2 more slots for future growth. Would love to see BYU and Boise to get to 16

(12-11-2016 11:29 AM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Does anyone believe if we could convince both Army and Air Force to join The American that it would help gain acceptance as a Power conference?

I've always felt if we had all 3 the political pressure would be fairly intense to give us Power conference status

Plus our conference name is the perfect fit to have the 3 military schools

Makes a lot of sense and I think as fans we all agree playing teams like Army and Navy in the past is pretty special

Easy bump up to 14 teams and gives us 2 more slots for future growth. Would love to see BYU and Boise to get to 16

Yes, and I posted something to this effect a couple of weeks ago. I actually started out with the need to add Boise St, BYU, SDSU, and maybe Colorado St. Make a real play to add the best of the MWC and add it to what is already seen as the 6th-best conference to make a compelling case for power-conference inclusion. Then, add the Air Force and Army to help ensure you have the political clout to make that happen.

I think it would be difficult to have a conference that is clearly a level above the other non-power-conferences and keep them out when it includes the 3 Service Academies. Are you really going to try to maintain your tax-free status while denying the 3 Service Academies the benefits of that system?

Yes, 18 teams would be a bit cumbersome, but that is a secondary issue. Priority One is to get the power conference money and prestige, which then increases the revenue that can be generated by all of the other means - TV, licensing, tickets sales, etc.

For football, 3 6-team divisions. For other sports, 3 5-team divisions with the Service Academies staying in their current leagues for those.

Now, maybe, the AAC can do it by only adding Army and AF, but I don't think that it is as compelling of a case.

Go Tigers!!!

(12-11-2016 11:29 AM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Does anyone believe if we could convince both Army and Air Force to join The American that it would help gain acceptance as a Power conference?

I've always felt if we had all 3 the political pressure would be fairly intense to give us Power conference status

Plus our conference name is the perfect fit to have the 3 military schools

Makes a lot of sense and I think as fans we all agree playing teams like Army and Navy in the past is pretty special

Easy bump up to 14 teams and gives us 2 more slots for future growth. Would love to see BYU and Boise to get to 16

If you allow teams to prep for the triple option 3-4 weeks out of the year it will become much less effective.

(12-11-2016 11:29 AM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Does anyone believe if we could convince both Army and Air Force to join The American that it would help gain acceptance as a Power conference?

I've always felt if we had all 3 the political pressure would be fairly intense to give us Power conference status

Plus our conference name is the perfect fit to have the 3 military schools

Makes a lot of sense and I think as fans we all agree playing teams like Army and Navy in the past is pretty special

Easy bump up to 14 teams and gives us 2 more slots for future growth. Would love to see BYU and Boise to get to 16

I don't think it would be significant at all. We would still be on the outside. Air Force has had a pretty good football program, but Army really hasn't. I realize this is about football, but their basketball programs are terrible.

That said, there aren't a lot of good schools to add so we could certainly do worse...

Zero chance of that happening. I love the academies and I love the way they play football. However, none of the three have sniffed anything close to a top-10 finish in....a long, long time.

I think the addition of Army is a logical fit and they were once in the same conference as us. Air Force is a different time zone and they seem to really like/fit the MWC.

While I think Army is a natural fit and a good for the conference, I cannot see how the addition of a team that hasn't been in the top-10 in college football since the days of integration is going to make us a P5 conference.

(12-11-2016 11:51 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 11:29 AM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Does anyone believe if we could convince both Army and Air Force to join The American that it would help gain acceptance as a Power conference?

I've always felt if we had all 3 the political pressure would be fairly intense to give us Power conference status

Plus our conference name is the perfect fit to have the 3 military schools

Makes a lot of sense and I think as fans we all agree playing teams like Army and Navy in the past is pretty special

Easy bump up to 14 teams and gives us 2 more slots for future growth. Would love to see BYU and Boise to get to 16

Yes, and I posted something to this effect a couple of weeks ago. I actually started out with the need to add Boise St, BYU, SDSU, and maybe Colorado St. Make a real play to add the best of the MWC and add it to what is already seen as the 6th-best conference to make a compelling case for power-conference inclusion. Then, add the Air Force and Army to help ensure you have the political clout to make that happen.

I think it would be difficult to have a conference that is clearly a level above the other non-power-conferences and keep them out when it includes the 3 Service Academies. Are you really going to try to maintain your tax-free status while denying the 3 Service Academies the benefits of that system?

Yes, 18 teams would be a bit cumbersome, but that is a secondary issue. Priority One is to get the power conference money and prestige, which then increases the revenue that can be generated by all of the other means - TV, licensing, tickets sales, etc.

For football, 3 6-team divisions. For other sports, 3 5-team divisions with the Service Academies staying in their current leagues for those.

Now, maybe, the AAC can do it by only adding Army and AF, but I don't think that it is as compelling of a case.

Go Tigers!!!

Good stuff!!! I think this is a very cool thought process

I think conference realignment has run its course. No one wants any of the G5 programs and the P5's have settled into were they are going to stay. Texas is the only wild card left out there and god knows what they will do. Not really sure what shuffling around G5's does for anyone. The last thing to happen will be if the P5's break away from the NCAA in football. If that happens the rest of college athletics should just say fine, go it alone in everything. Don't schedule them in anything, and I mean anything. Now that the die has been cast for football what leverage do they have over anyone? Why would we let them exclude everyone from the biggest money sport yet let them have the convince of scheduling lesser sports?

Why would Air Force ever leave the Mountain West?

Why would the American ever add Army?

We're at a healthy and logical twelve programs for football.

To be the best non P5 we need to do something different. Being content with our current 12 isn't gonna get us where we want

We need the best 16 possible

Go hard after BYU, BOISE, Air Force/Army

No.

unless we have something in writing that espn will renegotiate our contract if we add more teams then its a big fat hell no

(12-11-2016 07:24 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  To be the best non P5 we need to do something different. Being content with our current 12 isn't gonna get us where we want

We need the best 16 possible

Go hard after BYU, BOISE, Air Force/Army

Only way we get P5 status is too get into one of the P5 leagues...The American will not get promoted unless we have a couple of schools somehow break into the playoffs and win it and those schools will likely get poached before the American gets promoted.

(12-11-2016 08:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 07:24 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  To be the best non P5 we need to do something different. Being content with our current 12 isn't gonna get us where we want

We need the best 16 possible

Go hard after BYU, BOISE, Air Force/Army

Only way we get P5 status is too get into one of the P5 leagues...The American will not get promoted unless we have a couple of schools somehow break into the playoffs and win it and those schools will likely get poached before the American gets promoted.

I disagree with this logic

Make our conference the absolute best we can

There is no guarantee we will ever get P5 inclusion so make The American the BEST OF THE REST and see where the chips fall

No

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(12-11-2016 11:29 AM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Does anyone believe if we could convince both Army and Air Force to join The American that it would help gain acceptance as a Power conference?

I've always felt if we had all 3 the political pressure would be fairly intense to give us Power conference status

Plus our conference name is the perfect fit to have the 3 military schools

Makes a lot of sense and I think as fans we all agree playing teams like Army and Navy in the past is pretty special

Easy bump up to 14 teams and gives us 2 more slots for future growth. Would love to see BYU and Boise to get to 16

Yup, cuz Air Force and Army go to all the NYD bowls.

Air Force is in the perfect conference for them. We've been in a conference with Army. Didn't help.

(12-11-2016 01:19 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think conference realignment has run its course. No one wants any of the G5 programs and the P5's have settled into were they are going to stay. Texas is the only wild card left out there and god knows what they will do. Not really sure what shuffling around G5's does for anyone. The last thing to happen will be if the P5's break away from the NCAA in football. If that happens the rest of college athletics should just say fine, go it alone in everything. Don't schedule them in anything, and I mean anything. Now that the die has been cast for football what leverage do they have over anyone? Why would we let them exclude everyone from the biggest money sport yet let them have the convince of scheduling lesser sports?

B1G adds two more.

$EC does the same in response.

The PAC-12 expands by two.

The ACC scrambles to make up for the losses.

Conference realignment will get going again.

Especially if Netflix, Amazon, Google, Facebook, and/or Hulu start broadcasting live sports.

Conference realignment isn't finished. The big 12 has to deal with it sooner or later.

The alignment with the academies and the Liberty bowl was not a good one. As quick as the contract was completed the LB ran.

Conferences can sustain one Academy but not three.

(12-12-2016 07:18 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Conference realignment isn't finished. The big 12 has to deal with it sooner or later.

The alignment with the academies and the Liberty bowl was not a good one. As quick as the contract was completed the LB ran.

Conferences can sustain one Academy but not three.

Army and Navy being in the same conference wouldn't hurt. But when you add AFA all the way on Colorado, it's even more sprawling than we currently are. That does not make for easy travel for the schools or the fans.

But would Army and Navy move their game to make it a conference game before the conference championship instead of the special event it is now?

(12-12-2016 06:47 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 01:19 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think conference realignment has run its course. No one wants any of the G5 programs and the P5's have settled into were they are going to stay. Texas is the only wild card left out there and god knows what they will do. Not really sure what shuffling around G5's does for anyone. The last thing to happen will be if the P5's break away from the NCAA in football. If that happens the rest of college athletics should just say fine, go it alone in everything. Don't schedule them in anything, and I mean anything. Now that the die has been cast for football what leverage do they have over anyone? Why would we let them exclude everyone from the biggest money sport yet let them have the convince of scheduling lesser sports?

B1G adds two more.

$EC does the same in response.

The PAC-12 expands by two.

The ACC scrambles to make up for the losses.

Conference realignment will get going again.

Especially if Netflix, Amazon, Google, Facebook, and/or Hulu start broadcasting live sports.

Maybe your right, I hope so. But we have ask a serious question, why would they do that? Its just more mouths to feed. Cable is not going to give any more money than they already are, possibly less. Streaming is not going to generate substantially more money. If anything it just replaces lost cable revenue. I just don't see anything on the horizon that makes them change their minds. So that leaves them doing it out the goodness of their hearts, good luck with that one.

We have too many teams in this conference already