(12-10-2016 12:02 PM)Teakwood Wrote:  It's not like it's mutually exclusive...he can still coach OSU and burn up the phones during the dead period. It may not be the same as working full time, but I'd bet he could hold onto or flip a kid he already has a relationship with.

Seems like every coach should hang around until after the bowl if its that easy

@LanceMcAlister
Fickell will continue to serve as Ohio State’s defensive coordinator through the Buckeyes’ College Football Playoff run.

(12-10-2016 12:04 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 12:02 PM)Teakwood Wrote:  It's not like it's mutually exclusive...he can still coach OSU and burn up the phones during the dead period. It may not be the same as working full time, but I'd bet he could hold onto or flip a kid he already has a relationship with.

Seems like every coach should hang around until after the bowl if its that easy

I didn't mean to imply it's easy. It is just that you can't visit players during the dead period anyway, so phone/text is going to be your method of contact. You can do that no matter where you are. It would be a sleepless couple weeks, but for $1-2Mil you figure it out.

I think more coaches would hang for the bowl game if their future employers allowed. Imagine if ND didn't demand BK immediately. He would have attended the awards banquet, the kids and fans wouldn't have felt so jilted, and probably would have been more competitive with Florida. Unfortunately that won't happen until the signing day gets moved back.

(12-10-2016 12:39 PM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  @LanceMcAlister
Fickell will continue to serve as Ohio State’s defensive coordinator through the Buckeyes’ College Football Playoff run.

He apparently feels an obligation to his boss and his players. Sounds like a high-character guy.

(12-10-2016 12:49 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 12:39 PM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  @LanceMcAlister
Fickell will continue to serve as Ohio State’s defensive coordinator through the Buckeyes’ College Football Playoff run.

He apparently feels an obligation to his boss and his players. Sounds like a high-character guy.

Akin to giving two weeks notice, which is what all of us do.

This is much like what Kirby Smart did just last year...I'm not surprised, and honestly, I'm not worried. He'll likely still be doing some things on the back burner either way.

The same people bitching about this have bitched about Kelly and Jones leaving when they did, I completely understand both sides of this argument, I just feel that he knows what he needs to do here and he'll do it regardless of when it starts.

(12-10-2016 12:41 PM)Teakwood Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 12:04 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 12:02 PM)Teakwood Wrote:  It's not like it's mutually exclusive...he can still coach OSU and burn up the phones during the dead period. It may not be the same as working full time, but I'd bet he could hold onto or flip a kid he already has a relationship with.

Seems like every coach should hang around until after the bowl if its that easy

I didn't mean to imply it's easy. It is just that you can't visit players during the dead period anyway, so phone/text is going to be your method of contact. You can do that no matter where you are. It would be a sleepless couple weeks, but for $1-2Mil you figure it out.

I think more coaches would hang for the bowl game if their future employers allowed. Imagine if ND didn't demand BK immediately. He would have attended the awards banquet, the kids and fans wouldn't have felt so jilted, and probably would have been more competitive with Florida. Unfortunately that won't happen until the signing day gets moved back.

I don't think it's as nearly as clear-cut in BK's case as you make it sound...

Remember that BK had his son enrolled in the Culver Academy just an hour away from SoBend back in September before he left. The Kelly house was empty and ready to go on the market the day after the announcement...and neighbors had said that nobody was living there through the fall. (Darn convenient, isn't it?) There was also plenty of contact...both formal and "informal"...between Kelly's agent and Notre Dame through the fall as well.

In other words, the "Kelly to Notre Dame" was, I think, well planned in advance. I have said this before, but I think Brian Kelly had ZERO...none, nada...intention of staying to the Bowl game. Even if we had gotten into the BCS-CG, I don't think he was staying. His departure was not merely Notre Dame "demanding" that he come...HE WAS GONE by his decision as much as ND's.

Remember, he COULD have left his staff until after the Sugar Bowl...but he didn't. He could have left for ND and at the least let the staff continue to coach. But he didn't.

Blame Notre Dame. But don't kid yourself that Brian Kelly was "innocent" in the matter either. Personally, I think he could see how badly over-matched we were...we were never going to be competitive in the SB...and he got the hell out of town before his perfect record could get smudged.

(12-10-2016 12:53 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 12:41 PM)Teakwood Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 12:04 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 12:02 PM)Teakwood Wrote:  It's not like it's mutually exclusive...he can still coach OSU and burn up the phones during the dead period. It may not be the same as working full time, but I'd bet he could hold onto or flip a kid he already has a relationship with.

Seems like every coach should hang around until after the bowl if its that easy

I didn't mean to imply it's easy. It is just that you can't visit players during the dead period anyway, so phone/text is going to be your method of contact. You can do that no matter where you are. It would be a sleepless couple weeks, but for $1-2Mil you figure it out.

I think more coaches would hang for the bowl game if their future employers allowed. Imagine if ND didn't demand BK immediately. He would have attended the awards banquet, the kids and fans wouldn't have felt so jilted, and probably would have been more competitive with Florida. Unfortunately that won't happen until the signing day gets moved back.

I don't think it's as nearly as clear-cut in BK's case as you make it sound...

Remember that BK had his son enrolled in the Culver Academy just an hour away from SoBend back in September before he left. The Kelly house was empty and ready to go on the market the day after the announcement...and neighbors had said that nobody was living there through the fall. (Darn convenient, isn't it?) There was also plenty of contact...both formal and "informal"...between Kelly's agent and Notre Dame through the fall as well.

In other words, the "Kelly to Notre Dame" was, I think, well planned in advance. I have said this before, but I think Brian Kelly had ZERO...none, nada...intention of staying to the Bowl game. Even if we had gotten into the BCS-CG, I don't think he was staying. His departure was not merely Notre Dame "demanding" that he come...HE WAS GONE by his decision as much as ND's.

Remember, he COULD have left his staff until after the Sugar Bowl...but he didn't. He could have left for ND and at the least let the staff continue to coach. But he didn't.

Blame Notre Dame. But don't kid yourself that Brian Kelly was "innocent" in the matter either. Personally, I think he could see how badly over-matched we were...we were never going to be competitive in the SB...and he got the hell out of town before his perfect record could get smudged.

What a jerk.

I actually want a coach who values seeing their team through to the finish. OSU was his team this year.

If he does stay then it'll make me feel more confident that we hired the right guy. Because I'm pretty sure he'll treat us the same way when he goes (if he's successful).

I was mad when BK and Butch and Dantonio all left they way that they did. I got over it, I understood it. Can't very well fault Fickell for what he's doing at the risk of being a hypocrite.

Don't have to like it, but at the end of the day- I think we will be fine.

Got more important things to worry about.

Not worried at all. Hell, OSU has too many commits. Maybe he spends some time convincing their marginal guys to look down 71.

You have to ask yourself. If you are Urban Meyer, is Fickell's head really going to be in the game (playoff) or is he already going to be mentally at his new H E A D C O A C H I N G gig?

If I am Urban, I say, "Go, Peace be with you!"

DL

(12-10-2016 01:47 PM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  Not worried at all. Hell, OSU has too many commits. Maybe he spends some time convincing their marginal guys to look down 71.

now THAT would be something lol

And is a realistic possiblity

This seems to be the norm with coaches who are involved in the CFB playoff. Herman,Ash, and Smart have all made their new schools wait. I think people need to stop thinking things are the same as they were eight years ago.

We all know Kelly wouldn't have left before the Sugar if it was the title game.

(12-10-2016 03:07 PM)payday Wrote:  We all know Kelly wouldn't have left before the Sugar if it was the title game.

See, the simple fact that you and I disagree on that score proves that "we all" do not know that.

Though it is, of course, a moot question.

(12-10-2016 03:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:07 PM)payday Wrote:  We all know Kelly wouldn't have left before the Sugar if it was the title game.

See, the simple fact that you and I disagree on that score proves that "we all" do not know that.

Though it is, of course, a moot question.

Sorry for giving you too much credit.

(12-10-2016 03:25 PM)payday Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:07 PM)payday Wrote:  We all know Kelly wouldn't have left before the Sugar if it was the title game.

See, the simple fact that you and I disagree on that score proves that "we all" do not know that.

Though it is, of course, a moot question.

Sorry for giving you too much credit.

LOL!

(12-10-2016 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He needs to start full time day 1. Especially with the present emotional state of the fanbase trying to decide if they are all in or not after the B12 fiasco and after a clown of a staff set us back years.

Perception is reality. We are either a program worth a staff's full time attention now or we are a backwater where we should not get all worked up over things. Been there and done that with our last guy.

The only way to turn this is for AD Bohn to say that this is how it is supposed to be done when your former team is playing for these big stakes. A past HC who left while we were playing a BCS Bowl game was NOT a reflection on this university but a mistake in judgement. This is how one is supposed to leave their former employment and we will be fine, we're the University of Cincinnati, we've won ... you get the picture. 5-letter term for controlling the media.

I said in another thread, after watching Coach Fickell in the pressor, I'm totally fine with him finishing what he started this year with tO$U. I believe he will do the same thing here if/when the time comes. I think we owe him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm thrilled to have him as our coach and look forward to UC football. It's going to be a LONG winter/spring/summer. lol