(12-14-2016 02:40 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:29 AM)BullRush Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  No attendance thread?

I'm sure the fanbase that leads most of the attendance smack is in shock right now on how their team compares vs the team they keep talking smack about.

They are probably working right now on their excuses (and methods to turn this into an attendance thread.)

Obviously this is directed towards ECU, but yeah ECU should be towards the bottom for the last 2 years because we've sucked. When most of your games are on ESPNews your numbers will be bad that's just the way it is. Then toss in that ECU lost a Thursday night primetime game against Navy due to the Hurricane that would have drawn roughly 1 million viewers moved to a Saturday on CBSSN is a killer. So yeah it is what it is if ECU goes 8-16 the next 2 years our ratings will still suck. If we go 16-8 our ratings will be fine.

Just to clarify....

So when you see (Talking Smack + Topic of USF Football Attendance) = Unknown Fan base X

Two separate ECU fans thing the "obvious" answer is ECU?!?

Well sorry I assume any accusations of attendance smack goes straight to ECU as we are the champions of attendance smack. I missed UCF connection sorry.

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  This is from a spreadsheet that I put together previously, based on Sports Media Watch, for 3 years (2013-2015) *without* bowl games. It doesn't include 2016 numbers (yet) and only has 7 AAC schools:

AAC
Navy: 34.4
UCF: 16.2
UConn: 14.27
Cincinnati: 12.1
Houston: 9.9
USF: 9.3
Memphis: 8.7

Other non-P5-
BYU: 28.4
Boise St.: 24.5
Colorado St.: 4.3

COMPARE TO COUGARED'S (2015-16 NUMBERS):
Houston 29.9
Navy 28.7
Memphis 14.4
USF 10.1
Cincy 9.4
UConn 8.7
UCF 5.4

BYU 24.2
Boise 13.1
Colo St 2.5

Those numbers, at least with respect to Houston, are inaccurate. Houston had over 14M regular season viewers from 2013-15.

Here are the four year numbers from SportsMediaWatch, including bowls:

1. Navy 54.2M
2. BYU 47.9M
3. Boise 43.1M
4. Houston 41.4M
5. UCF 34.3M
6. Army 32.0M
7. Temple 25.2M
8. Cincy 25.1M
9. Northern Ill 22.0M
10. UConn 21.7M
11. East Carolina 21.4M

Every other G5 below 20M. And even with the Cotton Bowl, Western Mich won't surpass 20M.

Why would Army join if we can win the AAC Championship without joining the conference? Seems counter productive.

(12-14-2016 11:36 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Why would Army join if we can win the AAC Championship without joining the conference? Seems counter productive.

but you got no trophy..if you were in the AAC and did the same you'd have gotten trophys and rings

(12-14-2016 07:32 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Total Football Viewers 2015-16 (millions)

American
Houston 29.9
Navy 28.7
Temple 19.5
Memphis 14.4
Tulsa 11.2
USF 10.1
Cincy 9.4
UConn 8.7
SMU 6.8
East Car 5.6
UCF 5.4
Tulane 1.0

Select Other Non-P5
BYU 24.2
Army 17.4
Boise 13.1
Northern Ill 9.8
Western Mich 9.6
Toledo 7.9
Air Force 7.2
Western Ky 7.0
Bowling Green 6.2
Southern Miss 4.7
Utah St 4.6
Wyoming 4.2
Ohio 3.8
San Diego St 3.7
Marshall 3.4
New Mexico 3.4
Colo St 2.5
Fresno St 1.7

2-Year League Total, Divided by Number of Schools
SEC = 56.7
Big 10 = 47.5
ACC = 38.4
Big 12 = 37.6
Pac 12 = 30.6
American = 13.1
MWC = 4.1

Just on a ratio basis, we should get 33-40% of what the ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12 make. If they get $20M per school, we should get $6.6M to $8M. Once they are making $30M, we should be at $10-12M.

I agree the American is worth more than it is currently getting. The ratios don't really work like though. It's easier to explain with an example than anything so let's say this is ESPN and their options are (note: not real numbers here):

a) American game that will bring in 1 million viewers
b) MAC game that will bring in 600,000 viewers
c) Sportscenter which will bring in 500,000 viewers

So a MAC game adds 20% over Sportscenter, but an American game there adds 100%. While the MAC game might bring in 60% of the viewers of the American game, the American game provides ESPN with an extra 500,000 viewers while the MAC only adds 100,000. That means the American game is worth about 5x the value of the MAC game in this hypothetical.

If we now add in a Big 12 game at 3 million viewers, we see a similar effect. The Big 12 game is adding 2.5 million vs. Sportscenter while the American game is adding 500,000. That makes the Big 12 game worth 5x as much despite the fact it only bring in 3x as many people.

(12-14-2016 11:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:36 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Why would Army join if we can win the AAC Championship without joining the conference? Seems counter productive.

but you got no trophy..if you were in the AAC and did the same you'd have gotten trophys and rings

We have National Championships.

And Aresco just shipped the trophy and rings on FedEx. Will be here by Friday.
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There are threads. There are threads. There are threads that sadden my soul.

Football fans crowing over tv ratings.

Have some self respect men

(12-15-2016 12:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  There are threads. There are threads. There are threads that sadden my soul.

Football fans crowing over tv ratings.

Have some self respect men

sign of the times

(12-14-2016 11:54 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 07:32 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Just on a ratio basis, we should get 33-40% of what the ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12 make. If they get $20M per school, we should get $6.6M to $8M. Once they are making $30M, we should be at $10-12M.

I agree the American is worth more than it is currently getting. The ratios don't really work like though. It's easier to explain with an example than anything so let's say this is ESPN and their options are (note: not real numbers here):

a) American game that will bring in 1 million viewers
b) MAC game that will bring in 600,000 viewers
c) Sportscenter which will bring in 500,000 viewers

So a MAC game adds 20% over Sportscenter, but an American game there adds 100%. While the MAC game might bring in 60% of the viewers of the American game, the American game provides ESPN with an extra 500,000 viewers while the MAC only adds 100,000. That means the American game is worth about 5x the value of the MAC game in this hypothetical.

If we now add in a Big 12 game at 3 million viewers, we see a similar effect. The Big 12 game is adding 2.5 million vs. Sportscenter while the American game is adding 500,000. That makes the Big 12 game worth 5x as much despite the fact it only bring in 3x as many people.

You may be right. I am not an expert in TV contracts.

And regarding the ratio in the OP, it includes everything. Bowls. Army-Navy games. A truer ratio would just be a comparison of conference games only.

In 2015, I looked at that for the American vs Pac 12. We averaged 487K per conference game. The Pac 12 averaged 1.621M. That's almost exactly 30%.

In 2016, the American averaged 734K per conference game. The increase is due to ESPNews no longer reporting ratings. In 2015, we had 15 ESPNews games. Back those out, and our 2015 average conference game drew 783K per game.

We had more teams in the Top 25 last year, plus the G5 NY6 rep, so a 6.25% drop in conference game ratings is not unexpected.

As for the Pac 12, they averaged 1.681 per conferece game in 2016. They missed the playoffs last year, and made it this year. A 3.7% improvement is not unexpected.

If you factor back in the value of those ESPNews games into the American's 2016 number, this year's ratio with the Pac 12 is 459K per conference game to 1.681M, or 27.3%.

Two year average against the Pac 12 is 28.65%.

28.65% of $20M = $5.73M

The thing that jumps out to me in the OP's stats is that little ole Tulsa has drawn much better than many larger schools. Also to give my Memphis a nod as an example of how winning & good schedule can boost TV ratings when the OP's stats are compared to the numbers including 2013.

(12-14-2016 11:27 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  This is from a spreadsheet that I put together previously, based on Sports Media Watch, for 3 years (2013-2015) *without* bowl games. It doesn't include 2016 numbers (yet) and only has 7 AAC schools:

AAC
Navy: 34.4
UCF: 16.2
UConn: 14.27
Cincinnati: 12.1
Houston: 9.9
USF: 9.3
Memphis: 8.7

Other non-P5-
BYU: 28.4
Boise St.: 24.5
Colorado St.: 4.3

COMPARE TO COUGARED'S (2015-16 NUMBERS):
Houston 29.9
Navy 28.7
Memphis 14.4
USF 10.1
Cincy 9.4
UConn 8.7
UCF 5.4

BYU 24.2
Boise 13.1
Colo St 2.5

Those numbers, at least with respect to Houston, are inaccurate. Houston had over 14M regular season viewers from 2013-15.

Here are the four year numbers from SportsMediaWatch, including bowls:

1. Navy 54.2M
2. BYU 47.9M
3. Boise 43.1M
4. Houston 41.4M
5. UCF 34.3M
6. Army 32.0M
7. Temple 25.2M
8. Cincy 25.1M
9. Northern Ill 22.0M
10. UConn 21.7M
11. East Carolina 21.4M

Every other G5 below 20M. And even with the Cotton Bowl, Western Mich won't surpass 20M.

Really surprised at #9. Is that the Chicago effect for NIU (similar to the NYC effect UConn gets)?

(12-15-2016 08:39 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:27 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  This is from a spreadsheet that I put together previously, based on Sports Media Watch, for 3 years (2013-2015) *without* bowl games. It doesn't include 2016 numbers (yet) and only has 7 AAC schools:

AAC
Navy: 34.4
UCF: 16.2
UConn: 14.27
Cincinnati: 12.1
Houston: 9.9
USF: 9.3
Memphis: 8.7

Other non-P5-
BYU: 28.4
Boise St.: 24.5
Colorado St.: 4.3

COMPARE TO COUGARED'S (2015-16 NUMBERS):
Houston 29.9
Navy 28.7
Memphis 14.4
USF 10.1
Cincy 9.4
UConn 8.7
UCF 5.4

BYU 24.2
Boise 13.1
Colo St 2.5

Those numbers, at least with respect to Houston, are inaccurate. Houston had over 14M regular season viewers from 2013-15.

Here are the four year numbers from SportsMediaWatch, including bowls:

1. Navy 54.2M
2. BYU 47.9M
3. Boise 43.1M
4. Houston 41.4M
5. UCF 34.3M
6. Army 32.0M
7. Temple 25.2M
8. Cincy 25.1M
9. Northern Ill 22.0M
10. UConn 21.7M
11. East Carolina 21.4M

Every other G5 below 20M. And even with the Cotton Bowl, Western Mich won't surpass 20M.

Really surprised at #9. Is that the Chicago effect for NIU (similar to the NYC effect UConn gets)?

NIU probably getting a large bump from the Orange Bowl in 2013. I would venture their regular season numbers aren't great

(12-14-2016 10:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  i agree with what bc1 said that you cant look at these numbers directly...abc vs espnnews will never draw the same even on the exact same team

the better teams get the better selection..

but with that said i think Houston placement speaks louder than the actual numbers...espn has bragged about our tv numbers numerous times..and gives us lots that they werent required...last year espn had to only give us 3 ABC games they gave houston a 4th game on rivalry week (houston vs navy), this year they didnt have to put houston/memphis on ABC but they did...even our bowl game was upgraded to ABC

even though i agree that who is good gets the better tv slot...i think Houston good numbers are better than most in the AACs good numbers..

same was true in c-usa, the years we were on top, were the highest rated c-usa games ever..which is why i think we were tier 1 in the tv deal

Another poster also pointed out we only have far fewer nationally rated games than the P5 conferences. Most P5's had 40-50 games listed on Sports Media Watch. We had less than 30. Many of our games are on CBS-Sports, which is not tracked by the A C Nelson Ratings. Theviewers for those CBS-Sports games would not show up on the Sports Media Watch list. That would be a factor for the rest of G5 as well.

(12-15-2016 08:36 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  The thing that jumps out to me in the OP's stats is that little ole Tulsa has drawn much better than many larger schools. Also to give my Memphis a nod as an example of how winning & good schedule can boost TV ratings when the OP's stats are compared to the numbers including 2013.

Tulsa has a strong following for it's size, part of their home game attendence problem lies in the fact many alumni leave the market for career opportunities in larger markets. Dallas, Houston, Kansas City are cities that have quit a few Tulsa alumni. So seeing Tulsa with strong TV numbers snd mediocre attendence numbers is no suprise. It appears the City is finally falling for Coach Monty, with a strong team returning and potential top 25 consideration for 2017, I would better attendence numbers next season. Due to the alumni issue, strong attendence numbers heavily depend on the local pride factor.

Wake Forest has a slighly higher undergrad enrollment (smallest P5), would be interesting to know how their TV numbers compare to Tulsa.

TX

(12-15-2016 10:23 AM)texcane1982 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:36 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  The thing that jumps out to me in the OP's stats is that little ole Tulsa has drawn much better than many larger schools. Also to give my Memphis a nod as an example of how winning & good schedule can boost TV ratings when the OP's stats are compared to the numbers including 2013.

Tulsa has a strong following for it's size, part of their home game attendence problem lies in the fact many alumni leave the market for career opportunities in larger markets. Dallas, Houston, Kansas City are cities that have quit a few Tulsa alumni. So seeing Tulsa with strong TV numbers snd mediocre attendence numbers is no suprise. It appears the City is finally falling for Coach Monty, with a strong team returning and potential top 25 consideration for 2017, I would better attendence numbers next season. Due to the alumni issue, strong attendence numbers heavily depend on the local pride factor.

Wake Forest has a slighly higher undergrad enrollment (smallest P5), would be interesting to know how their TV numbers compare to Tulsa.

TX

Hope Tulsa continues to rise....

don't tell Panic or InvisibleHand I said, that, they will lose all respect for me...

(12-15-2016 07:45 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 10:23 AM)texcane1982 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:36 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  The thing that jumps out to me in the OP's stats is that little ole Tulsa has drawn much better than many larger schools. Also to give my Memphis a nod as an example of how winning & good schedule can boost TV ratings when the OP's stats are compared to the numbers including 2013.

Tulsa has a strong following for it's size, part of their home game attendence problem lies in the fact many alumni leave the market for career opportunities in larger markets. Dallas, Houston, Kansas City are cities that have quit a few Tulsa alumni. So seeing Tulsa with strong TV numbers snd mediocre attendence numbers is no suprise. It appears the City is finally falling for Coach Monty, with a strong team returning and potential top 25 consideration for 2017, I would better attendence numbers next season. Due to the alumni issue, strong attendence numbers heavily depend on the local pride factor.

Wake Forest has a slighly higher undergrad enrollment (smallest P5), would be interesting to know how their TV numbers compare to Tulsa.

TX

Hope Tulsa continues to rise....

don't tell Panic or InvisibleHand I said, that, they will lose all respect for me...

No they won't. They will name the Gazebo after you. And buy stuff at Dairy Whip when they are in town.


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