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RE: December 7, 1941
Those dudes WERE KKRRRAAAZZZZZ, would not be taken prisoner
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RE: December 7, 1941
(12-08-2016 01:27 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 11:03 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 10:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 09:39 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  Helmet For My Pillow is one of the best WWII books I've read.

I would also recommend Hampton Sides' "Ghost Soldiers". This is an account of the Bataan Death March and subsequent imprisonment and prison break. A man who was at Bataan told me it was the most accurately descriptive account of this event he had ever read.

I read that. It was excellent but sad and disturbing.

Even the Germans generally treated POWs according to the Geneva convention (as long as you weren't Jewish that is).

The Japanese were extremely cruel and sadistic. The prison guards would often have beheading contests with the results published in Japanese newspapers.

All of this apologizing for dropping a couple of A-bombs to end the war short of having to actually invade the Japanese home islands is absolute bull****. The Emperor was complicit and should have been executed along with the rest of the war criminals. Only MacArthur's direct intervention saved Hirohito (live into 1989).

Those bombs saved seven figures of casualties on BOTH sides.

Revisionist historians make me sick.

No one came out that war with clean hands. If the Axis power had of won the US and the Allies could have easily have face war crime tribunals.

The fire bombing of Tokyo could have been considered a war crime. The carpet bombing of civilians by the British also could have resulted in war crime charges. Over a million German women were raped by Russian troops after the fall of Berlin. Some 50,000 German prisoners taken to camps in Russia were never heard from again.

That is not saying that the Axis were any better. The rape of Nam King was a new level of atrocities.Germans used prisoner for medical experiments at least those who were not killed out right.

You are full of bull shite and sound like the Revisionist historian mentioned above. Our hands were cleaner than anyone's and we were attacked to start the damn thing. Russia was NOT a true ally as proved after the war-what they did has no bearing on USA.

This is a very ignorant statement:

"fire bombing of Tokyo could have been considered a war crime"

Maybe you should actually learn history. When Lemay took over the bombing operation of Japan he realized that high altitude bombing just would not work due to the jet stream. Even with the Norton you could not get a bomb on target with a cross wind.

So he changed the policy and went to low altitude bombing partly because it was possible to get bombs on target but also due to the fact that the Anti Air craft batteries were not accurate between 2000-2500 feet. At that level it was better to use 500# cluster bombs. Each containing 38 napalm bombs. Over 1 million people lost their homes and the death toll from the fire bombing was estimated to be around 125,000.

As for the war crime claim.The US did the same thing in Japan as we are now accusing Russia of in Aleppo. Targeting civilian population instead of military complexes. The purpose of the fire bombing was to destroy the moral of the Japanese population in order to get them to surrender.

In fact the US and Britain were accused of war crimes for the bombing of Dresden.
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RE: December 7, 1941
(12-08-2016 03:51 PM)Tigerfan935 Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 01:27 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 11:03 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 10:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 09:39 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  Helmet For My Pillow is one of the best WWII books I've read.

I would also recommend Hampton Sides' "Ghost Soldiers". This is an account of the Bataan Death March and subsequent imprisonment and prison break. A man who was at Bataan told me it was the most accurately descriptive account of this event he had ever read.

I read that. It was excellent but sad and disturbing.

Even the Germans generally treated POWs according to the Geneva convention (as long as you weren't Jewish that is).

The Japanese were extremely cruel and sadistic. The prison guards would often have beheading contests with the results published in Japanese newspapers.

All of this apologizing for dropping a couple of A-bombs to end the war short of having to actually invade the Japanese home islands is absolute bull****. The Emperor was complicit and should have been executed along with the rest of the war criminals. Only MacArthur's direct intervention saved Hirohito (live into 1989).

Those bombs saved seven figures of casualties on BOTH sides.

Revisionist historians make me sick.

No one came out that war with clean hands. If the Axis power had of won the US and the Allies could have easily have face war crime tribunals.

The fire bombing of Tokyo could have been considered a war crime. The carpet bombing of civilians by the British also could have resulted in war crime charges. Over a million German women were raped by Russian troops after the fall of Berlin. Some 50,000 German prisoners taken to camps in Russia were never heard from again.

That is not saying that the Axis were any better. The rape of Nam King was a new level of atrocities.Germans used prisoner for medical experiments at least those who were not killed out right.

You are full of bull shite and sound like the Revisionist historian mentioned above. Our hands were cleaner than anyone's and we were attacked to start the damn thing. Russia was NOT a true ally as proved after the war-what they did has no bearing on USA.

This is a very ignorant statement:

"fire bombing of Tokyo could have been considered a war crime"

The Russians had 21 million casualties and after FDR worked so hard to establish good relations, he died and then the Russians were alienated by Truman (the most unqualified president in history) and his good Ole boy right hand man from South Carolina. Stalin might have been a monster, but he won the war in Europe. Truman was a clown and failed business man who was put into office by a Kansas City mobster. But he was easy for the party to control. Thats why the VP nomination was stolen from Wallace.

Wonder why so many want to ignore one tiny fact. The war started when Germany invaded Poland. But they did not do it on their own. There was an agreement in place which divided up Poland between the Germans and the Russians. Russian invaded Poland at the same time.

Do not know that Russia won the war in Europe as much as Hitler blew the war in Europe. Germany had the RAF defeated. The RAF had no reserves left. But a Luftwaffe bombing raid got lost and bombed London instead of an airdrome. In response the British bombed Berlin. This angered Hitler so much he forced the Luftwaffe to go away from bombing air bases and attack British cities instead. Which allowed the RAF to rebuild it's strength.

At the time of Operation Barbarossa the Russian military was so out dated that they were using horses and carts to transport supplies. Without the influx of Studebaker trucks from the US. Their transportation operations were non existent at the time.

Delaying Barbarossa until England fell would have eliminated a transportation hub for US good heading to Russia.

Germany was close to taking over the Caucasus oil fields and the southern most port in Russia when Hitler divided his troops in order to attack Stalingrad. He so hated Stalin that he wanted to wipe the town named after Stalin off the map. Russia only had two warm water ports which it could receive needed supplies from the west. Taking of the Caucasus and eh oil fields would have limited Russia's ability to fight a war.
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