(12-07-2016 11:42 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  People tasked with fighting wars need no instruction nor distraction in learning how to properly address that "lady" with a beard and an Adam's apple that has just entered the restroom.

Training sensitivity to the masses to deal with the <1% of deviants is not a military function, and such bull**** is why the US has really won no wars since WW2. You fight wars to take territory and kill people. That is the base goal. Nation-building, democratizing, winning hearts and minds, etc. is all bull****. The military, of which I was a a part of for over a decade, is there to kill bad guys and take strategic positions. It is that fricking simple. And the focus on smart weapons and minimization of civilian casualties has made the US more vulnerable to defeat. Kill the bad guys and take their territory. Plain and simple. I hope Mad Dog follows through on this philosophy.

*** **** the idiot that is putting our future Naval Officers through such bull****.

This.

(12-08-2016 12:25 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  You two should move to France. You'd be real comfortable there.

IDGAF about what you prefer. Enemies have entered our country and our at our border, and the left has done nothing to quell the tide.

And I don't GAF about distinctions about degenerate behavior. It is all degenerate. I'll tolerate it, but I damned sure will not be an accomplice to its acceptance on a wider scale, especially with my children.

Hillary's DOS oversaw the overthrow of governments in Libya and Syria. How'd that work out, losers. Ask our Benghazi personnel how that worked out. Oh you cannot, as HillDog refused to support them as Chris Stevens was getting arse-raped prior to his death.

Lecture me not about foreign policy, you imbecilic pieces of human detritus.

Once they get into hormones and operations, transgenderism is no longer a fetish, its a mental disorder, just like bulimia and anorexia. People with mental disorders shouldn't be in the military.

Course is voluntary, but the problem is political correctness seeping into the military and becoming more important than winning.

Obama's generals need to all be retired. Immediately. He's got a bunch of yes men in there. Very dangerous in a real war.

(12-07-2016 11:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 11:42 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  People tasked with fighting wars need no instruction nor distraction in learning how to properly address that "lady" with a beard and an Adam's apple that has just entered the restroom.

Training sensitivity to the masses to deal with the <1% of deviants is not a military function, and such bull**** is why the US has really won no wars since WW2. You fight wars to take territory and kill people. That is the base goal. Nation-building, democratizing, winning hearts and minds, etc. is all bull****. The military, of which I was a a part of for over a decade, is there to kill bad guys and take strategic positions. It is that fricking simple. And the focus on smart weapons and minimization of civilian casualties has made the US more vulnerable to defeat. Kill the bad guys and take their territory. Plain and simple. I hope Mad Dog follows through on this philosophy.

*** **** the idiot that is putting our future Naval Officers through such bull****.

One...You make transgenderism out to be the same thing as a cross dresser. They are not the same at all

Two: I prefer the US Military be here to defend this country, and not go to war with others unless absolutely necessary. I would prefer we not kill 50,000 civilians just to shoot the one bad guy.

Stop trying to take all the fun out of it.

(12-08-2016 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Obama's generals need to all be retired. Immediately. He's got a bunch of yes men in there. Very dangerous in a real war.

Replace the paper-shuffling yes men with warriors.
Launch full-blown investigations into each of the many procurement failures of the last decade--LCS, Fords, Zumwalts, F-35, the Army and Air Force ones too. Completely revamp our procurement procedures.
Get us the hell out of any war that we are not fighting to win. And that includes any war whee we don't even know whom we want to win.
End the social engineering experiments.
I'm obviously fine with all races, colors, and creeds serving, and I'm okay with women serving, including combat for those (and only those) who are truly sufficiently fit. Israel does, we can too. But we don't need to be sacrificing good order and discipline to cater to something on the order of 1% of our total population, who are probably inclined to join the military at an even lower rate. Give them an honorable discharge and wish them well.

(12-08-2016 09:07 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Obama's generals need to all be retired. Immediately. He's got a bunch of yes men in there. Very dangerous in a real war.

Replace the paper-shuffling yes men with warriors.
Launch full-blown investigations into each of the many procurement failures of the last decade--LCS, Fords, Zumwalts, F-35, the Army and Air Force ones too. Completely revamp our procurement procedures.
Get us the hell out of any war that we are not fighting to win. And that includes any war whee we don't even know whom we want to win.
End the social engineering experiments.
I'm obviously fine with all races, colors, and creeds serving, and I'm okay with women serving, including combat for those (and only those) who are truly sufficiently fit. Israel does, we can too. But we don't need to be sacrificing good order and discipline to cater to something on the order of 1% of our total population, who are probably inclined to join the military at an even lower rate. Give them an honorable discharge and wish them well.

I'm afraid it is actually going the other way. The GSA is making it very easy and efficient to contract through them. The problem is, their GWACs require small businesses to have a high level of experience to get on the Small Business GWACs, and they limit them to 80 awards. The full and open GWACs are even worse, limited to 60 awards. As their usage grows, barriers to entry get much higher for small business (we had to spend $50k to get a series of useless paper pushing certifications just to garner enough points to compete). On top of that mid tier companies are effectively shut out. They don't qualify for the small business awards and they have neither the certifications nor the past performance and large value contracts to have even the slightest glimmer of hope of competing for one of 60 full and open awards. The end result will, in fact, mean heavy competitions for the task orders, but unless you are one of the 80 small businesses or 60 large businesses, you cannot compete for any work being procured through the contract vehicle, which has a 10-year period of performance. If we don't get one of the 80 Alliant 2 Small Business awards, our target market is going to be severely limited as our customers will have to use the vehicle. If we do get the award, I have job security for 10 years. In other words, GSA is in the process of ruling the world. Fortunately, I actually like our chances.

Limited war just limits your ability to win said war.

War is hell. Civilians will die. They don't matter. What matters is destroying your enemy.

This nation doesn't have the right mindset for war anymore.

Uhhh...workplace training happens in the military all the time. The military isn't just out there to give us killers. They release many, many thousands of personnel into the civilian world every year. The last thing they want are incidences against civilian personnel or incidences involving its vets in the civilian world that can be tracked back to the military.

(12-07-2016 11:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  What's wrong with this. The US Millitary is still recovering from don't ask don't tell. They need sensitivity training.

Their job is to murder other people the US government wants dead abroad. When we put away all the patriotic crap and recruiting posters ... that's what it really is at the end of the day.

I don't think sensitivity is really conducive to that mission.

That being said, so long as it is voluntary and not a single cent of taxpayer money is spent on it ... fine.

(12-08-2016 06:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The Navy wanting it's officers to be sensitive to those with mental health issues is nothing to be overly concerned about.

Ooooo, now you did it. These people aren't nuts, they're sexual deviants. Get your facts right.

(12-08-2016 03:22 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Limited war just limits your ability to win said war.

War is hell. Civilians will die. They don't matter. What matters is destroying your enemy.

This nation doesn't have the right mindset for war anymore.

Well, exactly who are we planning to go to war with?

(12-08-2016 10:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 03:22 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Limited war just limits your ability to win said war.

War is hell. Civilians will die. They don't matter. What matters is destroying your enemy.

This nation doesn't have the right mindset for war anymore.

Well, exactly who are we planning to go to war with?

To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

George Washington.

It pays to be ready.

(12-08-2016 12:30 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 11:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 11:42 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  People tasked with fighting wars need no instruction nor distraction in learning how to properly address that "lady" with a beard and an Adam's apple that has just entered the restroom.

Training sensitivity to the masses to deal with the <1% of deviants is not a military function, and such bull**** is why the US has really won no wars since WW2. You fight wars to take territory and kill people. That is the base goal. Nation-building, democratizing, winning hearts and minds, etc. is all bull****. The military, of which I was a a part of for over a decade, is there to kill bad guys and take strategic positions. It is that fricking simple. And the focus on smart weapons and minimization of civilian casualties has made the US more vulnerable to defeat. Kill the bad guys and take their territory. Plain and simple. I hope Mad Dog follows through on this philosophy.

*** **** the idiot that is putting our future Naval Officers through such bull****.

One...You make transgenderism out to be the same thing as a cross dresser. They are not the same at all

Two: I prefer the US Military be here to defend this country, and not go to war with others unless absolutely necessary. I would prefer we not kill 50,000 civilians just to shoot the one bad guy.

But you have no problem letting people in this country that want to kill us. I will never understand the fantasy world you libs live in. Thank God the President we have now that lives in that fantasy land is about to go and a new leader who sees the world as it really is about to take over.

Never said that. All I've ever said on Immigration was that a wall would be a stupid drain on tax payer resources, and is completely ignoring the real threat in immigration.

I don't like Trump, but unfortunately that is not a solely liberal trait.

I still want to know if telling a tranny to "go **** themselves", can be taken literally.

(12-08-2016 03:22 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Limited war just limits your ability to win said war.

Wars end two, and only two, ways. You win, or you surrender. Limited war is fighting to surrender.