http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

closed primaries make absolutely no sense to me.....

one angle I guess would be if one candidate is a shoe-in, the other side would vote for the less desirable candidate from the other party instead of their own...

me thinks some insinuated that happened in some open states with Trump.....

lol....how'd that work out?

(12-07-2016 09:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

I think primaries should be limited to the registered voters in the party. Democrats should nominate Democrats, Republicans should nominate Republicans and Greens should nominate Greens. If you are registered as an unaffiliated voter you have no business determining the party nominee of the party you aren't affiliated with. That defies logic.

(12-08-2016 04:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

I think primaries should be limited to the registered voters in the party. Democrats should nominate Democrats, Republicans should nominate Republicans and Greens should nominate Greens. If you are registered as an unaffiliated voter you have no business determining the party nominee of the party you aren't affiliated with. That defies logic.

So independents should not have a say who runs for president in our defacto two party system?

(12-08-2016 04:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

I think primaries should be limited to the registered voters in the party. Democrats should nominate Democrats, Republicans should nominate Republicans and Greens should nominate Greens. If you are registered as an unaffiliated voter you have no business determining the party nominee of the party you aren't affiliated with. That defies logic.

Agreed. Don't sit on the fence.

(12-08-2016 04:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

I think primaries should be limited to the registered voters in the party. Democrats should nominate Democrats, Republicans should nominate Republicans and Greens should nominate Greens. If you are registered as an unaffiliated voter you have no business determining the party nominee of the party you aren't affiliated with. That defies logic.

So independents should not have a say who runs for president in our defacto two party system?

Independents are by definition independent of any of the parties. If they want to have a voice in a nomination then they should join the party they wish to have a voice in. You are a part of something or you aren't. If you aren't don't try and tell the people that are what to do. There are no restrictions on who can or can't join a party.

(12-08-2016 04:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

I think primaries should be limited to the registered voters in the party. Democrats should nominate Democrats, Republicans should nominate Republicans and Greens should nominate Greens. If you are registered as an unaffiliated voter you have no business determining the party nominee of the party you aren't affiliated with. That defies logic.

So independents should not have a say who runs for president in our defacto two party system?

So are you saying that Jill Stein has no business asking for a recount of an election that she has no chance of ever winning but is something everyone knows she is doing for a Democratic challenger?

(12-08-2016 04:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

I think primaries should be limited to the registered voters in the party. Democrats should nominate Democrats, Republicans should nominate Republicans and Greens should nominate Greens. If you are registered as an unaffiliated voter you have no business determining the party nominee of the party you aren't affiliated with. That defies logic.

So independents should not have a say who runs for president in our defacto two party system?

They have a say....in the general election. I've never understood how anyone can support "open primaries". Heck, let's have open general election and let Russians, Iranians, and North Koreans vote for our president in the general election. Makes just as much sense.

The Republican Primary is for Republicans to decide who they want for "their" candidate. The same goes for the Democrats in their primary. If you're an Independent, you have chosen not to participate in any political party's candidate selection process. Your voice can be heard in the general election.

But we have a defacto two party system enshrined in many registration laws. The laws make it incredibly difficult for a third party to become legitimate and maintain legitimacy. Fix that or enfranchise people who don't want to be boxed in to a party that doesn't represent them

As an independent voter I agree that we shouldn't be trying to vote in a primary or just be able to pick just one.

(12-07-2016 09:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  closed primaries make absolutely no sense to me.....

one angle I guess would be if one candidate is a shoe-in, the other side would vote for the less desirable candidate from the other party instead of their own...

me thinks some insinuated that happened in some open states with Trump.....

lol....how'd that work out?

I see both sides... You'd like to prevent your political opponents from voicing too big an influence in your party's selection. That's why I was a registered Democrat when I lived in NY. Because in Buffalo only the D primaries seemed to matter.

(12-08-2016 09:34 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  closed primaries make absolutely no sense to me.....

one angle I guess would be if one candidate is a shoe-in, the other side would vote for the less desirable candidate from the other party instead of their own...

me thinks some insinuated that happened in some open states with Trump.....

lol....how'd that work out?

I see both sides... You'd like to prevent your political opponents from voicing too big an influence in your party's selection. That's why I was a registered Democrat when I lived in NY. Because in Buffalo only the D primaries seemed to matter.

I posted this somewhere else. In many parts of the South the Democratic primary was the election for local office. If you weren't a registered Democrat you were voting for someone that got 35 votes lol. The Democrat party had a conservative and liberal candidate. You had to register democract to vote for a legitimate candidate. The actual election was an afterthought

At the end of the day the Republican Primary if for Republicans, and same for Democrats. Where I have an issue is with the primaries being funded with taxpayer money.

(12-08-2016 09:10 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  As an independent voter I agree that we shouldn't be trying to vote in a primary or just be able to pick just one.

If we did not have a defacto two party system backed by actual laws that entrenched the two parties I would agree with you.

It's fun to say "disenfranchising voters."

(12-08-2016 10:13 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  At the end of the day the Republican Primary if for Republicans, and same for Democrats. Where I have an issue is with the primaries being funded with taxpayer money.

LOL at your sig... Last night the wife walks out and says "It's the Christmas season, put on die hard"

(12-08-2016 04:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  http://nypost.com/2016/12/06/petition-fo...-by-court/

Independents are not a protected class apparently

I think primaries should be limited to the registered voters in the party. Democrats should nominate Democrats, Republicans should nominate Republicans and Greens should nominate Greens. If you are registered as an unaffiliated voter you have no business determining the party nominee of the party you aren't affiliated with. That defies logic.

So independents should not have a say who runs for president in our defacto two party system?

I agree. Independents should be allowed to vote in a primary. This was an issue for me back when I in a Republican primary. They tried to stamp my voter card with a Republican stamp. When i told them I was an independent, they tried to prevent me from voting.

I took care of business however.