(12-08-2016 10:43 AM)StatueKnight Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:36 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 09:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I never said give the auto bid to the P5 only - I say NO auto bid for anyone.

Take the best 8 and play ball.

I could give two flying f***s about conference champs - like I have been saying, winning your conference championship game DOES NOT mean you are the best team in your conference all the time.

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If you want to go the other way with this (which is almost logistically impossible without screwing over the other 28 "everyone gets a trophy" bowls...) give all 10 FBS CC's an auto bid and add 6 at large teams. The first wound will include at least 6 if not all 8 games being a pig-house slaughter, then we can get down to business with the best 8 playing for the NC.

Just like the Basketball model - put every team in, add a dash of Cinderalla, then the cream rises and 90% of the time and you end up with what you should have just started with in the first place for you elite 8.

This is how I see it too. Realistically, if you're doing auto bids you're not taking the best teams... you're just taking teams that won their conference. In a scenario like this, a 5 loss Arkansas State gets an autobid over Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin & USC. How about no lol. Take the top 8 and be done with it.

Who cares if you have the "best teams". That is subjective anyway. Just like the NFL, if you come alive in the playoffs it does not matter that you were the wild card in the worst division. You win the important games and the championship should be a REQUIREMENT for access to the playoff. It takes all the subjective BS out of the equation. 12-0 Alabama lose to UF in the SEC championship? Tough titties. You blew it. Then we can scrap this whole elitist view of who is the best and just determine it on the field. In most sports the best team does not always make it to the finals. Why should college football be any different.

Totally agree. This current set up is no better than BCS crap. I don't care how good you are; if you can't win your conference then obviously you aren't the best in your conference.

(12-09-2016 07:31 AM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:43 AM)StatueKnight Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:36 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 09:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I never said give the auto bid to the P5 only - I say NO auto bid for anyone.

Take the best 8 and play ball.

I could give two flying f***s about conference champs - like I have been saying, winning your conference championship game DOES NOT mean you are the best team in your conference all the time.

___________________________

If you want to go the other way with this (which is almost logistically impossible without screwing over the other 28 "everyone gets a trophy" bowls...) give all 10 FBS CC's an auto bid and add 6 at large teams. The first wound will include at least 6 if not all 8 games being a pig-house slaughter, then we can get down to business with the best 8 playing for the NC.

Just like the Basketball model - put every team in, add a dash of Cinderalla, then the cream rises and 90% of the time and you end up with what you should have just started with in the first place for you elite 8.

This is how I see it too. Realistically, if you're doing auto bids you're not taking the best teams... you're just taking teams that won their conference. In a scenario like this, a 5 loss Arkansas State gets an autobid over Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin & USC. How about no lol. Take the top 8 and be done with it.

Who cares if you have the "best teams". That is subjective anyway. Just like the NFL, if you come alive in the playoffs it does not matter that you were the wild card in the worst division. You win the important games and the championship should be a REQUIREMENT for access to the playoff. It takes all the subjective BS out of the equation. 12-0 Alabama lose to UF in the SEC championship? Tough titties. You blew it. Then we can scrap this whole elitist view of who is the best and just determine it on the field. In most sports the best team does not always make it to the finals. Why should college football be any different.

Totally agree. This current set up is no better than BCS crap. I don't care how good you are; if you can't win your conference then obviously you aren't the best in your conference.

If Florida beat Bama, you would have been ok with them going to the playoffs? I bet at least 3 AAC teams can beat Florida.

(12-09-2016 09:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 07:31 AM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:43 AM)StatueKnight Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:36 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 09:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I never said give the auto bid to the P5 only - I say NO auto bid for anyone.

Take the best 8 and play ball.

I could give two flying f***s about conference champs - like I have been saying, winning your conference championship game DOES NOT mean you are the best team in your conference all the time.

___________________________

If you want to go the other way with this (which is almost logistically impossible without screwing over the other 28 "everyone gets a trophy" bowls...) give all 10 FBS CC's an auto bid and add 6 at large teams. The first wound will include at least 6 if not all 8 games being a pig-house slaughter, then we can get down to business with the best 8 playing for the NC.

Just like the Basketball model - put every team in, add a dash of Cinderalla, then the cream rises and 90% of the time and you end up with what you should have just started with in the first place for you elite 8.

This is how I see it too. Realistically, if you're doing auto bids you're not taking the best teams... you're just taking teams that won their conference. In a scenario like this, a 5 loss Arkansas State gets an autobid over Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin & USC. How about no lol. Take the top 8 and be done with it.

Who cares if you have the "best teams". That is subjective anyway. Just like the NFL, if you come alive in the playoffs it does not matter that you were the wild card in the worst division. You win the important games and the championship should be a REQUIREMENT for access to the playoff. It takes all the subjective BS out of the equation. 12-0 Alabama lose to UF in the SEC championship? Tough titties. You blew it. Then we can scrap this whole elitist view of who is the best and just determine it on the field. In most sports the best team does not always make it to the finals. Why should college football be any different.

Totally agree. This current set up is no better than BCS crap. I don't care how good you are; if you can't win your conference then obviously you aren't the best in your conference.

If Florida beat Bama, you would have been ok with them going to the playoffs? I bet at least 3 AAC teams can beat Florida.

yes! If Florida could even beat Alabama (this year)... then maybe they are competitive... But you must have missed that destruction laid by Alabama.

Also, G5 spot secures that Western Michigan would have a chance.

Why do you hate competition!?

(12-09-2016 07:31 AM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:43 AM)StatueKnight Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:36 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 09:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I never said give the auto bid to the P5 only - I say NO auto bid for anyone.

Take the best 8 and play ball.

I could give two flying f***s about conference champs - like I have been saying, winning your conference championship game DOES NOT mean you are the best team in your conference all the time.

___________________________

If you want to go the other way with this (which is almost logistically impossible without screwing over the other 28 "everyone gets a trophy" bowls...) give all 10 FBS CC's an auto bid and add 6 at large teams. The first wound will include at least 6 if not all 8 games being a pig-house slaughter, then we can get down to business with the best 8 playing for the NC.

Just like the Basketball model - put every team in, add a dash of Cinderalla, then the cream rises and 90% of the time and you end up with what you should have just started with in the first place for you elite 8.

This is how I see it too. Realistically, if you're doing auto bids you're not taking the best teams... you're just taking teams that won their conference. In a scenario like this, a 5 loss Arkansas State gets an autobid over Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin & USC. How about no lol. Take the top 8 and be done with it.

Who cares if you have the "best teams". That is subjective anyway. Just like the NFL, if you come alive in the playoffs it does not matter that you were the wild card in the worst division. You win the important games and the championship should be a REQUIREMENT for access to the playoff. It takes all the subjective BS out of the equation. 12-0 Alabama lose to UF in the SEC championship? Tough titties. You blew it. Then we can scrap this whole elitist view of who is the best and just determine it on the field. In most sports the best team does not always make it to the finals. Why should college football be any different.

Totally agree. This current set up is no better than BCS crap. I don't care how good you are; if you can't win your conference then obviously you aren't the best in your conference.

Let's be serious... the only reason people are even advocating this is because of the small likelihood of actually finishing in the top 8. You do not deserve a bid to an 8 team playoff just because you won your conference. Just the same as everyone on this board would ***** for a year if a 12-0 Troy with OOC wins over Ohio, an FCS and Bowling green got a place in the playoff over a 12-1 Houston team with wins over 3 teams ranked in the top 10. Cut the nonsense lol. No one here really believes Ark State nor WKU have any business in an 8 team playoff this year. And if you say you do, you're lying for it to fit your narrative. Really it's wasting 2 spots 9 years out of 10.

No knock on them but reality is, college football is a hell of a lot different at the FBS level than the NFL and FCS. And there are still conferences in FCS that don't get auto bids to the playoff. The NFL is an even playing field with the same draft, the same trade options, the same possibilities for every single team. That is nowhere near close to being true for FBS. And, honestly, they'd just break away before they agreed to this anyways. Then what do you do, form your own non P5 playoff? How well would that go?

(12-09-2016 01:02 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 07:31 AM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:43 AM)StatueKnight Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:36 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 09:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I never said give the auto bid to the P5 only - I say NO auto bid for anyone.

Take the best 8 and play ball.

I could give two flying f***s about conference champs - like I have been saying, winning your conference championship game DOES NOT mean you are the best team in your conference all the time.

___________________________

If you want to go the other way with this (which is almost logistically impossible without screwing over the other 28 "everyone gets a trophy" bowls...) give all 10 FBS CC's an auto bid and add 6 at large teams. The first wound will include at least 6 if not all 8 games being a pig-house slaughter, then we can get down to business with the best 8 playing for the NC.

Just like the Basketball model - put every team in, add a dash of Cinderalla, then the cream rises and 90% of the time and you end up with what you should have just started with in the first place for you elite 8.

This is how I see it too. Realistically, if you're doing auto bids you're not taking the best teams... you're just taking teams that won their conference. In a scenario like this, a 5 loss Arkansas State gets an autobid over Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin & USC. How about no lol. Take the top 8 and be done with it.

Who cares if you have the "best teams". That is subjective anyway. Just like the NFL, if you come alive in the playoffs it does not matter that you were the wild card in the worst division. You win the important games and the championship should be a REQUIREMENT for access to the playoff. It takes all the subjective BS out of the equation. 12-0 Alabama lose to UF in the SEC championship? Tough titties. You blew it. Then we can scrap this whole elitist view of who is the best and just determine it on the field. In most sports the best team does not always make it to the finals. Why should college football be any different.

Totally agree. This current set up is no better than BCS crap. I don't care how good you are; if you can't win your conference then obviously you aren't the best in your conference.

Let's be serious... the only reason people are even advocating this is because of the small likelihood of actually finishing in the top 8. You do not deserve a bid to an 8 team playoff just because you won your conference. Just the same as everyone on this board would ***** for a year if a 12-0 Troy with OOC wins over Ohio, an FCS and Bowling green got a place in the playoff over a 12-1 Houston team with wins over 3 teams ranked in the top 10. Cut the nonsense lol. No one here really believes Ark State nor WKU have any business in an 8 team playoff this year. And if you say you do, you're lying for it to fit your narrative. Really it's wasting 2 spots 9 years out of 10.

No knock on them but reality is, college football is a hell of a lot different at the FBS level than the NFL and FCS. And there are still conferences in FCS that don't get auto bids to the playoff. The NFL is an even playing field with the same draft, the same trade options, the same possibilities for every single team. That is nowhere near close to being true for FBS. And, honestly, they'd just break away before they agreed to this anyways. Then what do you do, form your own non P5 playoff? How well would that go?

You must enjoy being small time...


The G5 is has dominated the NY6. They can compete in the big leagues...

If you are the best team, you should be able to win when it matters...

To say otherwise, is weak, since playoffs are used in FCS to NFL,

Take the 8 best teams as defined by computer rankings and be done. The auto bids are dumb.

The c-usa, mac, and sunbelt needs to go fcs. They are a waste of space.

(12-09-2016 04:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take the 8 best teams as defined by computer rankings and be done. The auto bids are dumb.

The c-usa, mac, and sunbelt needs to go fcs. They are a waste of space.

The AAC went 0-3 against "wastes of space" in bowl games last year, so careful before you act like a P5 snob. Although those conference do have some bad teams, they've also got some really good teams, including some that could make nice additions to the AAC if it ever chose to expand.

(12-09-2016 08:44 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 04:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take the 8 best teams as defined by computer rankings and be done. The auto bids are dumb.

The c-usa, mac, and sunbelt needs to go fcs. They are a waste of space.

The AAC went 0-3 against "wastes of space" in bowl games last year, so careful before you act like a P5 snob. Although those conference do have some bad teams, they've also got some really good teams, including some that could make nice additions to the AAC if it ever chose to expand.

Spot on. USF blew through the AAC East in 2015 and then lost to a CUSA school for a bowl game.