The cons called HRC and every single lib who wanted a "tough on Russia" policy by continuing or increasing the economic sanctions over crimea as a warmonger. yet here we are three weeks later and they are talking about a tough on china policy citing currency manipulation as justification largely to justify his actions with the Taiwan phone call.

I would call this a double standard but honestly I think the cons are too partisan to even admit the existence of one.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. Russia isn't actively trying to sabotage our economy like the PRC is and while Crimea is a concern it's primarily a regional one. The PRC's actions in the South China Sea has global consequences due to the effect it has on trade. If Crimea were a peninsula is the heart of the Mediterranean it would be an apt comparison but the global effects of the Russian occupation are limited due to it being located in the Black Sea while the PRC's actions in the South China Sea threaten one of the most valuable trade routes in the world and the economies of multiple bordering nations.

Yea, Liberals never act like hypocrites.

You must use smaller words for him.

(12-05-2016 10:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The cons called HRC and every single lib who wanted a "tough on Russia" policy by continuing or increasing the economic sanctions over crimea as a warmonger. yet here we are three weeks later and they are talking about a tough on china policy citing currency manipulation as justification largely to justify his actions with the Taiwan phone call.

Personally, I think rocking the boat with either Russia or China is bad news. We need to be on top of the power struggle, but can't let it start spiraling unnecessarily out of control with either country.

(12-05-2016 10:24 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Yea, Liberals never act like hypocrites.

Affordable Healthcare comes to mind.

Equal pay..

Let's prosecute those who deny services to gays but it's ok for gays to deny services to others.

(12-05-2016 10:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's an apples to oranges comparison. Russia isn't actively trying to sabotage our economy like the PRC is and while Crimea is a concern it's primarily a regional one. The PRC's actions in the South China Sea has global consequences due to the effect it has on trade. If Crimea were a peninsula is the heart of the Mediterranean it would be an apt comparison but the global effects of the Russian occupation are limited due to it being located in the Black Sea while the PRC's actions in the South China Sea threaten one of the most valuable trade routes in the world and the economies of multiple bordering nations.

thanks for giving a legitimate response but my first thought was "what the hell." many of the arguments made by cons regarding how china is different from russia after romney 2012 and crimea are suddenly absent from your thinking.

yes china manipulates currency but mostly to their economic benefit not with the intent to hurt the US economy. this has been an issue but not a center issue as the rhetoric regarding china by trump was trade not currency. the topic of currency didn't get a significant amount of coverage until trump spoke out about it to spin his taiwan screw up.

china feeds off US trade. russia's game plan is economic isolation. by far the bigger issue with blocking us companies from operating over there. using currency manipulation to say they want to wreck our economy is a massive exaggeration. almost as bad as saying china wants to cut off trade route. they feed off trade routes and any water dispute is fishing/natural resources not trade. hell the very issue of their threatening vietnam was brought up by myself and downplayed by the cons on here as "not our problem." now suddenly it is?

all of these points were made by cons to justify romney's comments. russia wants instability, china wants stability. there is no crimea event with china to justify this 180. nothing close to that.

anytime there is illegal territorial expansion it is not a "regional issue." a regional issue = appeasement, let alone when it involves Europe, let alone when it involves a nation that gave up its nuclear stockpile. it is a major issue, not a trivial one.

(12-05-2016 10:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 10:24 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Yea, Liberals never act like hypocrites.

Affordable Healthcare comes to mind.

Equal pay..

Let's prosecute those who deny services to gays but it's ok for gays to deny services to others.

Quote:20 Hypocrisies of Liberalism

Liberals believe that...
1) ...it's impossible to come to any sort of reasonable compromise with conservatives on anything, but that we can fix our problems with nations like Iran and North Korea by just sitting down and talking things out.

2) ...they're the most compassionate people in society. Yet, in study after study, you find that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals.

3) ...they're not racist despite the fact that they consistently support policies that have been several orders of magnitude more devastating to black Americans than the Ku Klux Klan.

4) ...we've all got to dramatically reduce our carbon footprint to save the planet. Yet, liberals like Al Gore live in big mansions and fly around in private jets while still maintaining their credibility with their fellow environmentalist libs.

5) ...they're the people who are really looking out for women, but they strongly support sexual predators like Bill Clinton and they regularly hurl grotesque sexist insults at feminist role models like Sarah Palin who don't toe-the-liberal-line.

6) ...we definitely need to have higher tax rates in this country. Yet many of Obama's nominees and cabinet members, including the Secretary of the Treasury, don't pay their taxes as is -- and liberals are okay with that.

7) ...guns should be banned! Yet, while they want to take guns out of the hands of law-abiding Americans who live in dangerous neighborhoods, they believe liberal celebrities like Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell should be able to hire armed bodyguards.

8) ...they're the ones who really care about educating children; yet time and time again, they support policies that hurt our kids, but help their political allies in the teachers’ unions.

9) ...running deficits are bad! After all, liberals ceaselessly took credit for the budget being balanced during the Clinton years and attack Bush for his profligate spending, right? Yet, despite the fact that Obama is running an unsustainable deficit so large that it threatens the future of the country, liberals are perfectly fine with it.

10) ...college campuses are supposed to be places of learning and intellectual openness, but they approve of conservative speakers being attacked and shouted down.

11) ...they're gay-friendly even as they work to out gay Republicans and they often accuse the Republicans they hate the most of secretly being gay.

12) ...they're the ones who are champions of free speech, but liberals want to silence their most effective critics on talk radio via the Fairness Doctrine.

13) ...they're the ones who really want to stick to the Constitution. Yet, liberals buy into a "living Constitution," which is nothing more in practice than substituting your personal opinion for what's actually in the Constitution.

14) ...it was terrible for George Bush to detain terrorists indefinitely, to use extraordinary rendition to send them to other nations, and to withhold more photos of what happened at Abu Ghraib -- but, when Obama did the exact same things, few liberals had anything to say about it.

15) ...we have to move away from sources of energy like oil, coal, and nuclear power towards what they believe are more eco-friendly power sources like wind power. Yet, whenever anyone tries to build a wind turbine, it's almost always a liberal that attempts to stop it -- just as Ted Kennedy did because he was afraid his yachting view might be spoiled if the ideas he championed were put into practice.

16) ...they're courageous for speaking out against Republicans while Hollywood and the media cheer them on, but when the time comes to speak out against the abuses of radical Muslims, they're terrified into silence.

17) ...when someone despises America, we need to ask, "What have we done to make him hate us?" -- but, when someone despises liberals for what they're doing to the country, they conclude that person must be ignorant, bigoted, or evil.

18) ...it's morally abhorrent to put a serial killer to death, but that a mother killing her baby via abortion is merely a "choice."

19) ...we have to count every vote, except for members of the military serving overseas, most of whom are denied their right to vote because Democratic politicians deliberately delay in sending out their ballots until it's too late for them to be returned in time.

20) ...when they looked at information from our intelligence agencies and concluded that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, they were just mistaken -- but when George Bush looked at the same info and drew the same conclusion, he was lying.

http://www.truenews.org/Liberalism/hypoc...alism.html

(12-05-2016 10:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The cons called HRC and every single lib who wanted a "tough on Russia" policy by continuing or increasing the economic sanctions over crimea as a warmonger. yet here we are three weeks later and they are talking about a tough on china policy citing currency manipulation as justification largely to justify his actions with the Taiwan phone call.

I would call this a double standard but honestly I think the cons are too partisan to even admit the existence of one.

So you ignored HRC's "get tough on russia" but winge at trump taking a phone call from Taiwan? who's the hypocrite here?

Crimea is not our problem.

However, you are free to sign up on Ukraine's behalf and fight for them.

A couple points.


I think Russia is dangerous. I just don't think making an issue over Crimea, a former autonomous province of Ukraine which in a referendum overwhelmingly voted to realign itself with Russia, is worth it. Better to save that for something that really matters.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26606097

Second, the PRC manipulating currency has been an issue for Trump long before he secured the nomination.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/do...ion-215679
That's from Nov 10 2015, or 364 days before the election, much less the phone call from Taiwan.

It was also a key plank in his trade platform during his campaign, again prior to the phone call
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/trade

And currency manipulation is only part of the ways the PRC attacks our economy.

And I agree that China feeds off US trade. That's why they want to control the ability of Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, etc. to have access to shipping lanes. Natural resources is part of it of course, but control of the shipping lanes is as well. Forty percent of the world's trade passes through the disputed area.

And that's not the only area the PRC is pursuing territorial expansion. They are engaging Japan on a regular basis in the Senkakus Islands. If the PRC were to gain control of that island chain it would essentially be a death sentence for the ROC because it would limit the ability of the US Navy to come to it's aid.

(12-05-2016 10:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The cons called HRC and every single lib who wanted a "tough on Russia" policy by continuing or increasing the economic sanctions over crimea as a warmonger. yet here we are three weeks later and they are talking about a tough on china policy citing currency manipulation as justification largely to justify his actions with the Taiwan phone call.

I would call this a double standard but honestly I think the cons are too partisan to even admit the existence of one.

Got your late night talking points from Auntie pinko or mother jones?

A lot of "cons" weren't really in favor of the commie thug flexing his 5' 4" muscles while the momjeans in chief rode his wifes bike, either.

Go look!

MUHHHHH PHHHHHHHOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEE CAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Because we won. That's why.

The irony of the OP does not escape me.

Hello Pot this is Kettle.....

Pro choice, anti death penalty
"Corporations are evil" tweets from an iPhone on a corporate internet platform

(12-06-2016 08:49 AM)dfarr Wrote:  Pro choice, anti death penalty
"Corporations are evil" tweets from an iPhone on a corporate internet platform

Pro-life, pro-death penalty. 2 way street.

Ones an innocent life taken the other is not

(12-06-2016 09:09 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Ones an innocent life taken the other is not

Wait God, I thought that no one was innocent. Aren't we all sinners God?