It is better to lose a game early and not have to play a very hard championship than to lose in your championship game.

OSU going the playoffs even with one less loss but also one less game just devalues the conference championship. Why bother.

The good news is that the fans and administrations of Penn State, Oklahoma, USC and Michigan got screwed, so they are going to push to change this bull$hit playoff system to expand to at least 8 or more teams.

Agreed

(12-05-2016 04:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The good news is that the fans and administrations of Penn State, Oklahoma, USC and Michigan got screwed, so they are going to push to change this bull$hit playoff system to expand to at least 8 or more teams.

Agree

A conference title should only be used as a tie-breaker if two teams have the same number of losses. Here's the problem: Ohio St. was one of only four P5 schools with 0 or 1 losses. Penn St. was not. They lost twice eliminating themselves.

Meh. Penn State lost to an 8-4 Pitt and got blown out by Michigan.

Double meh. Oklahoma got pummeled by Ohio State in Norman.

Triple meh. Michigan lost to Ohio State just last week.

Quadruple meh. USC has 3 freaking losses and didn't even win their division so not sure what they're griping about.

I love it. This thing is gonna expand to 8.

It would be great if G5 got an autobid alongside 5 p5 champs and 2 at-large but even if they didn't it would open the door further.

(12-05-2016 04:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The good news is that the fans and administrations of Penn State, Oklahoma, USC and Michigan got screwed, so they are going to push to change this bull$hit playoff system to expand to at least 8 or more teams.

the other good news is OU and the B12 got left out....again.


Even more good news is, those clowns start a CCG next year based on a 10 team, 9 game round robin schedule. Can't wait to see them get screwed again lol.

(12-05-2016 11:41 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  Meh. Penn State lost to an 8-4 Pitt and got blown out by Michigan.

Double meh. Oklahoma got pummeled by Ohio State in Norman.

Triple meh. Michigan lost to Ohio State just last week.

Quadruple meh. USC has 3 freaking losses and didn't even win their division so not sure what they're griping about.

Missing the point of the post. Conference championship is now a liability rather than a positive. Better to lose an in conference game early then to face another good conference game. What is the point of the conference championship if by losing to a conference foe you can leapfrog them? Just bag the conference championships now as they are meaningless.

(12-06-2016 08:58 AM)StatueKnight Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 11:41 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  Meh. Penn State lost to an 8-4 Pitt and got blown out by Michigan.

Double meh. Oklahoma got pummeled by Ohio State in Norman.

Triple meh. Michigan lost to Ohio State just last week.

Quadruple meh. USC has 3 freaking losses and didn't even win their division so not sure what they're griping about.

Missing the point of the post. Conference championship is now a liability rather than a positive. Better to lose an in conference game early then to face another good conference game. What is the point of the conference championship if by losing to a conference foe you can leapfrog them? Just bag the conference championships now as they are meaningless.

Early losses are only dismissed if you are a P5.
Conference Championships only matter if you are not.

The system is perfect, It keeps the fights and arguments going, which creates interest.

The PAC 12 championship game and even the AAC championship game were important, if Washington ends the year 11-1 with a split PAC 12 Championship then the committee could have put a 11-2 Big 10 champion in over them.

Having an 8 team playoff just means the G5 will feel even more screwed over when there are no G5 teams in the playoff.

(12-05-2016 11:41 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  Meh. Penn State lost to an 8-4 Pitt and got blown out by Michigan.

Double meh. Oklahoma got pummeled by Ohio State in Norman.

Triple meh. Michigan lost to Ohio State just last week.

Quadruple meh. USC has 3 freaking losses and didn't even win their division so not sure what they're griping about.

Ohio State lost to Penn State. Ohio State did not play for the Big 10 Championship. Penn State did play for the Big 10 Championship. Penn State did win the Big 10 Championship. That was enough for me right there.

I don't have a problem with Washington because they are the conference champion, but they played a pretty weak OOC which is the very same criticism that the committee had of Western Michigan. Washington played Rutgers, Idaho and Portland State (FCS) in the OOC. Meanwhile Oklahoma played ranked Houston and Ohio State, while Penn State played Temple and Pitt.

(12-06-2016 06:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 04:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The good news is that the fans and administrations of Penn State, Oklahoma, USC and Michigan got screwed, so they are going to push to change this bull$hit playoff system to expand to at least 8 or more teams.

the other good news is OU and the B12 got left out....again.


Even more good news is, those clowns start a CCG next year based on a 10 team, 9 game round robin schedule. Can't wait to see them get screwed again lol.

Still bitter about UC getting played?

(12-06-2016 09:27 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  Having an 8 team playoff just means the G5 will feel even more screwed over when there are no G5 teams in the playoff.

Not if the access spot opens one up for the G5 (ny6 is now a actual, spot like the other 5 spots for the P5 conf champs)

(12-05-2016 04:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The good news is that the fans and administrations of Penn State, Oklahoma, USC and Michigan got screwed, so they are going to push to change this bull$hit playoff system to expand to at least 8 or more teams.

LOL!!! Wrong.

In the 3 years of the Final 4 Playoff...11 of the 12 playoff spots were given to P5 Conf Champs.

Clemson NEEDED to win their Championship Game to get in.

Washington NEEDED to win their Championship Game to get in.

In most cases (not all), winning the conf championship puts you in position to get a Playoff Bid...but this year, 3 out of 4 went to conf champ winners.

#ithappens

(12-06-2016 06:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 04:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The good news is that the fans and administrations of Penn State, Oklahoma, USC and Michigan got screwed, so they are going to push to change this bull$hit playoff system to expand to at least 8 or more teams.

the other good news is OU and the B12 got left out....again.


Even more good news is, those clowns start a CCG next year based on a 10 team, 9 game round robin schedule. Can't wait to see them get screwed again lol.

That fiasco is going to be fun to watch. It is hard for any team to beat a decent or formidable opponent twice. It will not take long to set up just right that the B12 falls flat on their face and eliminates themselves.

Why does one slot in an 8 team playoff HAVE to go to a G5 team?

This continues to be an F-ing bullshite argument. NOT everyone gets a trophy, NOT everyone is a winner. NOT every winner is a winner. Ask Oklahoma and Penn State for starters....

The Playoff should be the BEST 4 (or hopefully 8) teams vying for the the championship. Use whatever metric you want - that may include a conference champion or it may not... If a G5 is one of the best then they get in, if not they don't... regardless of whether they won their conference championship.



This may not be the right comparison but if you think about it in reality it is...

This happens in basketball every single year in the lesser conferences.... The tourney champ gets in automatically, but there are always upsets so a team that really doesn't deserve to get to the dance gets in and the real best team from the conference goes to the NIT..... Same/Same .... Where is the outrage there?

Football has it right as far as I am concerned. There could be 100 teams making the tournament and #101 is going to *****.... whatever. I want to see the 4 best teams play each other regardless of whether they won their conference tourney. Penn State is playing great football, and so is USC and so is Oklahoma, and so is Michigan, but 4 teams are playing just a bit better. if this was an 8 team playoff and one of those 4 teams were not in the final 8 to fill some f-ing quota - THAT would be the injustice.

(12-06-2016 10:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 04:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  The good news is that the fans and administrations of Penn State, Oklahoma, USC and Michigan got screwed, so they are going to push to change this bull$hit playoff system to expand to at least 8 or more teams.

LOL!!! Wrong.

In the 3 years of the Final 4 Playoff...11 of the 12 playoff spots were given to P5 Conf Champs.

Clemson NEEDED to win their Championship Game to get in.

Washington NEEDED to win their Championship Game to get in.

In most cases (not all), winning the conf championship puts you in position to get a Playoff Bid...but this year, 3 out of 4 went to conf champ winners.

#ithappens

What would have happened if Clemson and Washington didn't win? Take a look at where Michigan was sitting before the final poll. They were number 5. Michigan didn't play for their conference title either.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/ran...16/week/14