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How would you structure the bowl selection?
Weighing the need to reward success on the field, sale tickets, and bring variety to fan bases how would you structure the SBC bowl selection process?

The current structure is inherently flawed and I'm pretty sure the people on here can come up with a better solution.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
The people who invite teams only care about one of those

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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 10:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Weighing the need to reward success on the field, sale tickets, and bring variety to fan bases



So exactly what NO bowl did. They got two teams that are mediocre but will bring $$ to the bowl and city.

No need to be salty about it.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 10:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Weighing the need to reward success on the field, sale tickets, and bring variety to fan bases how would you structure the SBC bowl selection process?

The current structure is inherently flawed and I'm pretty sure the people on here can come up with a better solution.

I think you should find a bunch of investors who don't care about making a return and host your own bowl in New Orleans so you can go every year...or until it goes under from being broke. That should fix it...shouldn't be too hard to find investors like that either.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 10:18 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Weighing the need to reward success on the field, sale tickets, and bring variety to fan bases



So exactly what NO bowl did. They got two teams that are mediocre but will bring $$ to the bowl and city.

No need to be salty about it.

Don't always assume the worst in people you'll be happier. Try and actually weigh all the factors and let me know your thoughts.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
A bowl in Knoxville would be nice.
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Let's be clear, we are lucky to have multiple bowls. Bowls are not about the participants, but the bowls, and the NOLA has made more money with LA and anyone than anybody else.

Nobody should be upset about this years bowl to LA, after all A-ST could have kept us from bowling at all, so they're the last people who should complain.

Seriously you guys are going to the NOLA bowl and say do it our way or the highway?
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Don't always assume the worst in people you'll be happier. Try and actually weigh all the factors and let me know your thoughts.


Cool.

reward success on the field - ULL and USM did what they needed to do. 6-6.

sale tickets - NO Bowl looked to see who would bring the most.

bring variety to fan bases - I understand. But, speaking as an App fan, I didn't mind going to Chatty three times in a row. I'm more worried about getting a good game that can be exciting to App fans and casual FBS fans




Now, how would I fix it? I wouldn't touch it. I like the setup. As long as the champ is bowling then I'm fine. You can't punish a Bowl just because the our team wants a different city. Do you think the NO bowl would continue working with the SBC if we forced them to take a team that won't be as profitable?
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As long as the Sun Belt Champ has a guaranteed bowl game I am OK with how the selection works. These smaller bowls need to make money or they wont be around.
If the Arizona bowl goes under and Charleston takes its place, it will open up a new can of worms.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 10:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Weighing the need to reward success on the field, sale tickets, and bring variety to fan bases how would you structure the SBC bowl selection process?

The current structure is inherently flawed and I'm pretty sure the people on here can come up with a better solution.
OFF TOPIC WARNING

I promise I'm not just picking on you Saint, but I wanted to ask the group about this.

should the statement not read "sell tickets" instead of "sale tickets"? Not just here, but on various other social media platforms, I see these words get reversed a lot and it seems to be happening more and more over the last year to 18 months maybe. My initial thought was it's just typos, but it really does happen quite often.

For example: Does anyone have a 4-wheeler for sell?
or I'm looking to sale my 4-wheeler.

I'm just curious if others have been seeing this as well, or if it is grammatically correct and I'm the one that's mistaken, or maybe it's a regional thing (although I've lived in the same region for 20+ years).

Anyone have thoughts? Just sitting here thinking about it now, I wonder if it's related to autocorrect on phones and people just don't bother to change it.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
Everyone in the conference should want the bowls to take the team that maximizes profit, has a cried so it looks good on TV which brings in more sponsors etc., puts money in the coffers instead of draining it. New Orleans is there year round, you can go anytime you want and it's the same party. Take a trip when your favorite NFL team plays thevsaints if you really want to go for a game.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
Some here are taking this discussion personally and nothing of substance will come of that. How about you think of a solution as if you were an outsider to determine a way in which all parties (bowls, teams, players, fans) "win".

Something like this:

Starting in 2018 the conference champ gets to submit it's preference for two of the five bowls? One of those bowls is obligated to select the champion. This rewards the team that earned it on the field and gives the bowls discretion on who they take as well. The NO Bowl could say we'll take the champ this year, but next year we have first right to refuse the champ.

Once the champ is selected the bowls then select whomever they wish, noting that they can't select the same team for more than two consecutive years. This maintains attendance, ticket sales, and variety for the players and fans.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Some here are taking this discussion personally and nothing of substance will come of that. How about you think of a solution as if you were an outsider to determine a way in which all parties (bowls, teams, players, fans) "win".

Something like this:

Starting in 2018 the conference champ gets to submit it's preference for two of the five bowls? One of those bowls is obligated to select the champion. This rewards the team that earned it on the field and gives the bowls discretion on who they take as well. The NO Bowl could say we'll take the champ this year, but next year we have first right to refuse the champ.

Once the champ is selected the bowls then select whomever they wish, noting that they can't select the same team for more than two consecutive years. This maintains attendance, ticket sales, and variety for the players and fans.

The bowls dont think there is problem, some selfish fans do. The bowls are in it for the money why would they agree to put restrictions in place that could jeopardize their money? The last bowl that would agree this is Nola..they have been there done that with having to take the champion..why do you think they did away with the rule in the first place? You are asking people to put millions of dollars at stake on your behalf.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 11:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Some here are taking this discussion personally and nothing of substance will come of that. How about you think of a solution as if you were an outsider to determine a way in which all parties (bowls, teams, players, fans) "win".

Something like this:

Starting in 2018 the conference champ gets to submit it's preference for two of the five bowls? One of those bowls is obligated to select the champion. This rewards the team that earned it on the field and gives the bowls discretion on who they take as well. The NO Bowl could say we'll take the champ this year, but next year we have first right to refuse the champ.

Once the champ is selected the bowls then select whomever they wish, noting that they can't select the same team for more than two consecutive years. This maintains attendance, ticket sales, and variety for the players and fans.



Definitely not taking anything personally. I however find it off putting seeing App fans complain about the location. We're in our 2nd year of bowl eligibility. I think this is the first time ever a 2nd year team has been in their 2nd bowl. If App ended up in Mobile (on the 23rd) or Arizona (only view able on the internet) I think App fans would have been super unhappy about that. Yes, going to the same place isn't as exciting, but I'm more worried about the match up rather than city. TV viewers don't care which city the bowl is being held, but they'll watch a competitive game.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
The sooner you remove yourself and the program you pull for, you may be able to add value to the discussion.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 12:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The sooner you remove yourself and the program you pull for, you may be able to add value to the discussion.

I would say the same to you, maybe take a business class or 2 as well.you obviously just want to be told what you want to hear and not have a real discussion.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
Same for you too.

Which is more important to you? A vacation or a showcase for your team? Look at the opponents that the Belt is playing. We can't control our opponents. (Our contract with Bowls aren't CUSA/MAC/AAC's contract). So isn't it best for ANY team that's champion (or co-champ) to play the best showcase?

This year it's definitely App vs. Toledo.
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(12-05-2016 12:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The sooner you remove yourself and the program you pull for, you may be able to add value to the discussion.

Thank you. Everyone can not possibly be satisfied.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 12:26 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Same for you too.

Which is more important to you? A vacation or a showcase for your team? Look at the opponents that the Belt is playing. We can't control our opponents. (Our contract with Bowls aren't CUSA/MAC/AAC's contract). So isn't it best for ANY team that's champion (or co-champ) to play the best showcase?

This year it's definitely App vs. Toledo.

And if it's the vacation people want, I promise you New Orleans will have you anytime and you will have a blast.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
I would expand the playoff to 8 teams that would use all the big bowls for its games including the Access Bowl ensuring a G5 spot in the playoff. Then every conference can keep the two best bowls for the teams not in the playoff. That way we can cut down on bowls and make them mean something again. The Sunbelt would keep the NO Bowl and the Dollar General Bowl. Assuming the first place team isn't in the playoff, they would go to New Orleans and the second place team would go to the Dollar General Bowl. Everyone else would start gearing up for basketball season.
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