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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 08:17 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 07:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Sounds like the dues have been paid by both sides at this point.

No they haven't, we are gonna need all of yountomsit at home while bowl eligible 7 or 8 times...then we can talk about dues being paid up.

That's not how this works any longer with 80 bowl slots, don't be naive.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
One bowl kept the conference afloat, that is hyperbole. Numbers of programs and programs within proximity of each other is the reason this conference survived and the WAC didn't. The WAC had successful bowl games.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 09:23 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 08:17 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 07:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Sounds like the dues have been paid by both sides at this point.

No they haven't, we are gonna need all of yountomsit at home while bowl eligible 7 or 8 times...then we can talk about dues being paid up.

That's not how this works any longer with 80 bowl slots, don't be naive.

I'm not the one being naive...I'm not the one that thinks it should change because he doesn't get his way and stomps his feet until he does.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 09:25 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  One bowl kept the conference afloat, that is hyperbole. Numbers of programs and programs within proximity of each other is the reason this conference survived and the WAC didn't. The WAC had successful bowl games.

You don't know the history of this league, obviously.

The Original football alignment was Ark St., NMSU, ULM, MTSU, UNT, LA and Idaho. Not exactly geography friendly. While LA had a relationship with ULM and Ark. St., we didn't know where Murfreesboro, TN was. And there was little history with N. Texas.

The next team to join the league? Utah State. Troy came in next, but when Idaho USU and NMSU left to join the WAC, who was added?

FIU and FAU.

And, the ONLY thing they had to play for was a berth in the NO Bowl.

Without the bowl, the league doesn't survive through the initial transitions.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
It helped but wasn't the sole (aka ONLY) reason, thus hyperbole.

NCAA basketball helped, being a place for FCS move ups, etc. also played a part.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 08:35 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 12:49 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 11:17 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Regardless if it benefits the school I follow or not, New Orleans will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt from me.

They were willing to host a bowl game when this league was pure crap. They put up with the embarrassment of taking a 5-6 champion the first year. That school went to five straight NO bowls and didn't travel worth a damn.

The last five years have been their highest attended games. And, this year it will be six for six.

Good for them. They've earned the right to take the team that's going to make them the most money.

What have they done for South Alabama? App? Georgia Southern? Coastal? Texas State? None of those teams were responsible for those craptastic North Texas teams.

That's my point. Some of you who are just getting into this league know nothing of the history or the growing pains this league has gone through. And yet you wonder what this bowl has done for your school or will do in the future.

It isn't about what it's done for a school. It's about what NO has done for this conference...which you probably wouldn't be in if it werent for that bowl which kept this league afloat when it looked like it might not survive.

We've been in this league longer than anyone else. We watched the league destroy basketball around us to build football. We've paid football dues, but we just did it in other sports. BTW, UALR also paid football dues too.
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(12-05-2016 10:29 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  Let's be clear, we are lucky to have multiple bowls. Bowls are not about the participants, but the bowls, and the NOLA has made more money with LA and anyone than anybody else.

Nobody should be upset about this years bowl to LA, after all A-ST could have kept us from bowling at all, so they're the last people who should complain.

Seriously you guys are going to the NOLA bowl and say do it our way or the highway?

Don't try to put that crap solely on ASU! Anyone of the 6 teams ULL beat this year could have kept you from bowling had they won their game with the cajuns. Hell, ULM was the last ones who had a shot at it. Didn't see you mention them. 05-mafia
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 10:37 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Don't always assume the worst in people you'll be happier. Try and actually weigh all the factors and let me know your thoughts.


Cool.

reward success on the field - ULL and USM did what they needed to do. 6-6.

sale tickets - NO Bowl looked to see who would bring the most.

bring variety to fan bases - I understand. But, speaking as an App fan, I didn't mind going to Chatty three times in a row. I'm more worried about getting a good game that can be exciting to App fans and casual FBS fans




Now, how would I fix it? I wouldn't touch it. I like the setup. As long as the champ is bowling then I'm fine. You can't punish a Bowl just because the our team wants a different city. Do you think the NO bowl would continue working with the SBC if we forced them to take a team that won't be as profitable?


bwahahaha......6-6 is success? That isn't even a winning season. bwahahahaha
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 01:36 PM)StAteRedWolf Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:37 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Don't always assume the worst in people you'll be happier. Try and actually weigh all the factors and let me know your thoughts.


Cool.

reward success on the field - ULL and USM did what they needed to do. 6-6.

sale tickets - NO Bowl looked to see who would bring the most.

bring variety to fan bases - I understand. But, speaking as an App fan, I didn't mind going to Chatty three times in a row. I'm more worried about getting a good game that can be exciting to App fans and casual FBS fans




Now, how would I fix it? I wouldn't touch it. I like the setup. As long as the champ is bowling then I'm fine. You can't punish a Bowl just because the our team wants a different city. Do you think the NO bowl would continue working with the SBC if we forced them to take a team that won't be as profitable?


bwahahaha......6-6 is success? That isn't even a winning season. bwahahahaha
We could end with the same record as you...our 5th place team and the co-champ...not sure what you find is funny about that...and you lost to us and an FCS
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 01:39 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 01:36 PM)StAteRedWolf Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:37 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Don't always assume the worst in people you'll be happier. Try and actually weigh all the factors and let me know your thoughts.


Cool.

reward success on the field - ULL and USM did what they needed to do. 6-6.

sale tickets - NO Bowl looked to see who would bring the most.

bring variety to fan bases - I understand. But, speaking as an App fan, I didn't mind going to Chatty three times in a row. I'm more worried about getting a good game that can be exciting to App fans and casual FBS fans




Now, how would I fix it? I wouldn't touch it. I like the setup. As long as the champ is bowling then I'm fine. You can't punish a Bowl just because the our team wants a different city. Do you think the NO bowl would continue working with the SBC if we forced them to take a team that won't be as profitable?


bwahahaha......6-6 is success? That isn't even a winning season. bwahahahaha
We could end with the same record as you...our 5th place team and the co-champ...not sure what you find is funny about that...and you lost to us and an FCS

The fact that ASU lost to you and to a FCS isn't the point. The ULL cajuns still only went 6-6 and that is NOT a success on the field. But keep trying to deflect this to ASU if it helps you sleep at night.

Oh by the way.......Go Eagles!!!!!!
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 01:51 PM)StAteRedWolf Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 01:39 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 01:36 PM)StAteRedWolf Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:37 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Don't always assume the worst in people you'll be happier. Try and actually weigh all the factors and let me know your thoughts.


Cool.

reward success on the field - ULL and USM did what they needed to do. 6-6.

sale tickets - NO Bowl looked to see who would bring the most.

bring variety to fan bases - I understand. But, speaking as an App fan, I didn't mind going to Chatty three times in a row. I'm more worried about getting a good game that can be exciting to App fans and casual FBS fans




Now, how would I fix it? I wouldn't touch it. I like the setup. As long as the champ is bowling then I'm fine. You can't punish a Bowl just because the our team wants a different city. Do you think the NO bowl would continue working with the SBC if we forced them to take a team that won't be as profitable?


bwahahaha......6-6 is success? That isn't even a winning season. bwahahahaha
We could end with the same record as you...our 5th place team and the co-champ...not sure what you find is funny about that...and you lost to us and an FCS

The fact that ASU lost to you and to a FCS isn't the point. The ULL cajuns still only went 6-6 and that is NOT a success on the field. But keep trying to deflect this to ASU if it helps you sleep at night.

Oh by the way.......Go Eagles!!!!!!

I'm not deflecting pal..we could both finish at 7-6 and you are laughing about other people's records
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
Why is the NO Bowl so low on C-USA's list? It is convenient for the entire western division and is not much farther than those South Fla. bowl games are for the eastern division (except for the F_U's). Sure it's the junior varsity version of the Sugar Bowl, but it's still freaking New Orleans. Seems like that would be a better place to visit in late December, for fans, than the Bahamas (expense), Dallas (cold outdoors, and Dallas has no French Quarter), New Mexico (too far), Hawaii (incredibly far and incredibly expensive).

I would love for App to have the chance sometime to go to New Orleans. The team did what it could on the field to keep Louisiana out of it, and against the rest of the Sun Belt since it won a share of the league championship. Our fans have traveled well to Chattanooga, Montgomery, and non conference road games. I would love to see how well we would show up for NO. App is not North Texas, or FAU, or FIU, or others whose fans failed to show up.
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(12-06-2016 02:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why is the NO Bowl so low on C-USA's list? It is convenient for the entire western division and is not much farther than those South Fla. bowl games are for the eastern division (except for the F_U's). Sure it's the junior varsity version of the Sugar Bowl, but it's still freaking New Orleans. Seems like that would be a better place to visit in late December, for fans, than the Bahamas (expense), Dallas (cold outdoors, and Dallas has no French Quarter), New Mexico (too far), Hawaii (incredibly far and incredibly expensive).

I would love for App to have the chance sometime to go to New Orleans. The team did what it could on the field to keep Louisiana out of it, and against the rest of the Sun Belt since it won a share of the league championship. Our fans have traveled well to Chattanooga, Montgomery, and non conference road games. I would love to see how well we would show up for NO. App is not North Texas, or FAU, or FIU, or others whose fans failed to show up.

The relationship between Nola and cusa may not be as old as some of those other bowls. The bowls and conference have business relationships, just like in real life you don't go around taking shots on people you have had long business relationships with. Some people have this mentality like the bowls are there as some service to us and be told what to do...it isn't like that at all, it's business between them and the conference.
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(12-06-2016 02:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why is the NO Bowl so low on C-USA's list? It is convenient for the entire western division and is not much farther than those South Fla. bowl games are for the eastern division (except for the F_U's). Sure it's the junior varsity version of the Sugar Bowl, but it's still freaking New Orleans. Seems like that would be a better place to visit in late December, for fans, than the Bahamas (expense), Dallas (cold outdoors, and Dallas has no French Quarter), New Mexico (too far), Hawaii (incredibly far and incredibly expensive).

I would love for App to have the chance sometime to go to New Orleans. The team did what it could on the field to keep Louisiana out of it, and against the rest of the Sun Belt since it won a share of the league championship. Our fans have traveled well to Chattanooga, Montgomery, and non conference road games. I would love to see how well we would show up for NO. App is not North Texas, or FAU, or FIU, or others whose fans failed to show up.

ODU probably would have chosen NO bowl over Bahamas and our beat writer was saying that it was likely (against Troy or AState). Then USM upset LT and became bowl eligible and we started hearing Bahamas. If we were in WKU's place we would have chosen Boca Raton as well and La Tech prefers playing in TX. It is what it is.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones. 01-wingedeagle
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(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones. 01-wingedeagle

Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter. App should be in that bowl, had they elected to be there. They beat you guys AND they won the conference. Their reward? Playing in Montgomery for the second straight year.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 05:47 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones. 01-wingedeagle

Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.

Pretty sure they're not. You just have to justify your participation on the field and in the pocketbook. Go to the N.O. Bowl with 20,000 ticket orders and make your case.
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(12-06-2016 06:25 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 05:47 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones. 01-wingedeagle

Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.

Pretty sure they're not. You just have to justify your participation on the field and in the pocketbook. Go to the N.O. Bowl with 20,000 ticket orders and make your case.

I thought the Bowls were about being a good team. Oh well, enjoy the Participation Bowl.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-06-2016 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 06:25 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 05:47 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones. 01-wingedeagle

Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.

Pretty sure they're not. You just have to justify your participation on the field and in the pocketbook. Go to the N.O. Bowl with 20,000 ticket orders and make your case.

I thought the Bowls were about being a good team. Oh well, enjoy the Participation Bowl.

If it was just that, we'd still have 25 less bowls and only P5 participants. It's about bowls making money for their charitable organizations to the best of their ability.
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(12-06-2016 07:08 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 06:25 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 05:47 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones. 01-wingedeagle

Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.

Pretty sure they're not. You just have to justify your participation on the field and in the pocketbook. Go to the N.O. Bowl with 20,000 ticket orders and make your case.

I thought the Bowls were about being a good team. Oh well, enjoy the Participation Bowl.

If it was just that, we'd still have 25 less bowls and only P5 participants. It's about bowls making money for their charitable organizations to the best of their ability.

Bowl games aren't really about raising money for charity. They're about 2 weeks of practice time and helping promote the teams involved in the games. Its about alumni fundraising.

How much in CASH did the NO Bowl give to charity last year. (I said cash, not discounted tickets). Looks like a pretty big staff too. Are they volunteers? Although some of them might work for the GNOSF too. Oddly enough, their website doesn't seem to crow about the charity that much. My guess is that they give some discounted tickets and hold a few events. Whats their administrative budget vs their CASH charitable outlays? Website mentions a day camp for 200 kids for a (probably a weeklong) football drill camp. Okay, thats something, but I doubt that's really a huge outlay.
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