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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 05:59 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
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(12-05-2016 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  My biggest concern is that we are nearing a point in the SBC where if UL, USA, and Troy all get bowl eligible, they will take up the top 3 bowl games, regardless of record.

One of those teams going local is fine, but all three isn't.

I think Troy's season earned them that bowl, you can't fault them for being from Alabama. USA is going Artizona. If it was us in Nola, USA in mobile and Troy in Montgomery I could see your point but it isn't.

But it was VERY close to being so. Close enough that I believe a change will be made in 2018.

So now you want to discriminate against teams simply because they are in the state where the bowl is? Nothing is changing, except maybe our number of tie ins if we try some Mickey Mouse bullsht like you are suggesting.

How is rewarding the champion of the SBC and limiting the number of consecutive years discriminating against teams in a location. Go back and read my suggestion. You are "discriminating" against successful programs out side of LA and AL.

ULL can still go to NO two out of every three years and then likely travel to AL the other year in my suggestion.

If the NO bowl is going to take ULL no matter what let's shake up the selection process and put them third, at this point them picking first is a farce.
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(12-05-2016 06:58 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  There are really two things I would like to see which would make the bowl selection more interesting and exciting, at least for G5 schools. I wish that conferences could only have one tie in vs another conference. For example, since the SBC has the Dollar General Bowl vs MAC, the Camellia Bowl can't be SBC vs MAC as well. Second, I wish that bowl games would not be allowed to take the same team in back to back seasons. Those two things would guarantee new experiences and a lot of different opponents.

The conferences amd bowl tie ins for the most part are geographic and there is a reason...money. The day these people stop making money they are out...and so are we. For instance, say you swap us and app this year...best case we break even and we put no money in the coffers, both bowls are not necessarily posses but bitter about how much money they each left on the table...and so did we for the conference. Now you have Troy and Idaho left to cover the expenses of USA and stAte...which probably puts the conference at a total loss of revenue on the bowl
Season and have to use money in the coffers to cover it...money that is only there because the bowls have been taking logical teams geographically...but hey we cal all live in liberal bliss redistributing the wealth..for a year...maybe 2...then we can all redistribute debt and continue to be considered the cellar dwellers of FBS because the conference would have no money in the coffers to grow our brand...this is business people and they don't give 2 sht said about your new experiences if it cost them dollars in their pocket...and quite frankly neither do I and I'm including myself in that. I wouldn't mind somewhere new but not at the expense of my own athletic program or the conference.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 06:56 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Let's try to force the bowls to take teams they don't want...great idea! That will work out well for everyone.

I see no reason to continue having a tie in with the New Orleans Bowl if that exists for the benefit of one team only. Lets move that bowl slot to St Petersburg. Or inform the NCAA we're no longer a tie in with New Orleans and apply for a new bowl somewhere else. Charleston or Columbia would work nicely. Then the New Orleans bowl can take the MWC, etc. Or just fold. Not my concern. That bowl slot sponsored by the conference isn't benefiting the conference. Just ULL. At the expense of every other team in the conference.

My proposal....you can have a single team no more than 2 times in any 5 year span. Unless there's a damn good reason. And this year...there wasn't.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 07:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 06:56 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Let's try to force the bowls to take teams they don't want...great idea! That will work out well for everyone.

I see no reason to continue having a tie in with the New Orleans Bowl if that exists for the benefit of one team only. Lets move that bowl slot to St Petersburg

My proposal....you can have a single team no more than 2 times in any 5 year span. Unless there's a damn good reason. And this year...there wasn't.

Money, why have every single team chartering flights and playing in empty stadiums where you can have half of them bus and play in front of crowds? We are the poorest FBS conference and fighting a perception problem. These aren't our bowls, we don't own them..we don't make the rules. We got the Nola bowl to agree to take the champion when they were our only bowl. Now that we have 5 tie ins and teams are getting in at 5-7...we have zero bargaining power....none and we would stupid to not donthe smart thing financially everytime unless it's a chance to get a special I'll matchio between 2 ranked teams or our champ against a P5 or something. Fans vacation bucket list locatioms should not matter to who goes where. Nola passing LA vs USM would be like a Charlotte bowl Passing on App vs ECU...it wouldn't be smart.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
You think this conversation is about a fans bucket list? You are misguided.

This is about adapting as a conference and making it better for everyone, not just those located within a hundred miles of a bowl location.
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(12-05-2016 07:29 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You think this conversation is about a fans bucket list? You are misguided.

This is about adapting as a conference and making it better for everyone, not just those located within a hundred miles of a bowl location.

Then get the commissioner to get you a bowl closer to you or maybe you should talk to your president to get you in a different conference because the current bowl
Cities and schools aren't moving and for now, America is still a free market. The bowls don't care about us adapting as a conference or making it better for everyone. Such a typical mindset of today...if you can't have it nobody else should right? You bring up distance then want to go to one of the furthest bowls. Weird that nobody has been hammering stAte about going to mobile so often.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
State has won the conference and earned their spot, big difference.

I don't want a bowl close to home, I want a system that rewards play on the field, makes money for the bowls and gives players and fans variety. Are you reading what is written or just assuming what everyone wants outside of what they post?

Remove your ULL bias and read. I don't even care if NO picks first or last. I've been to NO many times, this isn't about a trip there...
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 07:43 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  State has won the conference and earned their spot, big difference.

I don't want a bowl close to home, I want a system that rewards play on the field, makes money for the bowls and gives players and fans variety. Are you reading what is written or just assuming what everyone wants outside of what they post?

Remove your ULL bias and read. I don't even care if NO picks first or last. I've been to NO many times, this isn't about a trip there...

Put your nose down a little it's hard to hear you. I'll be in New Orleans on dec 17th watching the Cajuns so I think we earned our trip as well. People would respect it more if you just said it's firvaekfish reasons and younwantbtongo to Nola than to pretend to be some holier than though savior of our conference bowl selection process that for the first time in our history has actually made us money. The Nola bowl ate sht and barely made money for several years being tied to this conference. If we were tied in with the independence bowl and they took us every year, nobody would be saying anything about it changing it to better the conference. Putting stipulations on the bowls and backing yourself in a corner voluntarily isn't smart. You go season by season and get the best matchups possible that make the most sense for that year. Oh and it's not up to us anyway.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
(12-05-2016 07:10 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 06:58 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  There are really two things I would like to see which would make the bowl selection more interesting and exciting, at least for G5 schools. I wish that conferences could only have one tie in vs another conference. For example, since the SBC has the Dollar General Bowl vs MAC, the Camellia Bowl can't be SBC vs MAC as well. Second, I wish that bowl games would not be allowed to take the same team in back to back seasons. Those two things would guarantee new experiences and a lot of different opponents.

The conferences amd bowl tie ins for the most part are geographic and there is a reason...money. The day these people stop making money they are out...and so are we. For instance, say you swap us and app this year...best case we break even and we put no money in the coffers, both bowls are not necessarily posses but bitter about how much money they each left on the table...and so did we for the conference. Now you have Troy and Idaho left to cover the expenses of USA and stAte...which probably puts the conference at a total loss of revenue on the bowl
Season and have to use money in the coffers to cover it...money that is only there because the bowls have been taking logical teams geographically...but hey we cal all live in liberal bliss redistributing the wealth..for a year...maybe 2...then we can all redistribute debt and continue to be considered the cellar dwellers of FBS because the conference would have no money in the coffers to grow our brand...this is business people and they don't give 2 sht said about your new experiences if it cost them dollars in their pocket...and quite frankly neither do I and I'm including myself in that. I wouldn't mind somewhere new but not at the expense of my own athletic program or the conference.

There is only one way for us G5 conferences to not have bowls geared to 1 team or geographically to where the best bowl is awarded to the champion and on down the line.....an that it for the fan bases to show up in good numbers no matter where their team plays.
If that happens than bowls won't as much for teams that are in their immediate area. The NO bowl or any G5 bowl would love to have to have 2 teams that are out of the area with a large amount of fans showing up. But until that happens, they need the team in their region they know will show up to help pay the bills.

While I would love for the MW or any other G5 conference to have a bowl pecking order, it won't happen unless it is shown that teams from the G5 conferences will show up to the bowl game regardless how far they are and what team is playing. It is why the P5 conferences are preferred because even the lowly P5 schools bring a ton of support to the bowls.
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(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

You too...hopefully you will convince your president to tell Camellia no thanks next year to be fair to your conference brethren. It would be the right thing to do for everyone.
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(12-05-2016 08:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

You too...hopefully you will convince your president to tell Camellia no thanks next year to be fair to your conference brethren. It would be the right thing to do for everyone.

I agree with you but get your App State facts straight. We have a Chancellor, dammit.
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(12-05-2016 08:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

You too...hopefully you will convince your president to tell Camellia no thanks next year to be fair to your conference brethren. It would be the right thing to do for everyone.

I agree with you but get your App State facts straight. We have a Chancellor, dammit.
Haha well tell him too
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Her... For fuxks sake
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(12-05-2016 09:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Her... For fuxks sake

And her...tell em all
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
Regardless if it benefits the school I follow or not, New Orleans will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt from me.

They were willing to host a bowl game when this league was pure crap. They put up with the embarrassment of taking a 5-6 champion the first year. That school went to five straight NO bowls and didn't travel worth a damn.

The last five years have been their highest attended games. And, this year it will be six for six.

Good for them. They've earned the right to take the team that's going to make them the most money.
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(12-05-2016 11:17 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Regardless if it benefits the school I follow or not, New Orleans will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt from me.

They were willing to host a bowl game when this league was pure crap. They put up with the embarrassment of taking a 5-6 champion the first year. That school went to five straight NO bowls and didn't travel worth a damn.

The last five years have been their highest attended games. And, this year it will be six for six.

Good for them. They've earned the right to take the team that's going to make them the most money.

What have they done for South Alabama? App? Georgia Southern? Coastal? Texas State? None of those teams were responsible for those craptastic North Texas teams.
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RE: How would you structure the bowl selection?
Sounds like the dues have been paid by both sides at this point.
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(12-06-2016 07:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Sounds like the dues have been paid by both sides at this point.

No they haven't, we are gonna need all of yountomsit at home while bowl eligible 7 or 8 times...then we can talk about dues being paid up.
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(12-06-2016 12:49 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 11:17 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Regardless if it benefits the school I follow or not, New Orleans will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt from me.

They were willing to host a bowl game when this league was pure crap. They put up with the embarrassment of taking a 5-6 champion the first year. That school went to five straight NO bowls and didn't travel worth a damn.

The last five years have been their highest attended games. And, this year it will be six for six.

Good for them. They've earned the right to take the team that's going to make them the most money.

What have they done for South Alabama? App? Georgia Southern? Coastal? Texas State? None of those teams were responsible for those craptastic North Texas teams.

That's my point. Some of you who are just getting into this league know nothing of the history or the growing pains this league has gone through. And yet you wonder what this bowl has done for your school or will do in the future.

It isn't about what it's done for a school. It's about what NO has done for this conference...which you probably wouldn't be in if it werent for that bowl which kept this league afloat when it looked like it might not survive.
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