(12-05-2016 12:26 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Same for you too.

Which is more important to you? A vacation or a showcase for your team? Look at the opponents that the Belt is playing. We can't control our opponents. (Our contract with Bowls aren't CUSA/MAC/AAC's contract). So isn't it best for ANY team that's champion (or co-champ) to play the best showcase?

This year it's definitely App vs. Toledo.

It doesn't matter what is important to me personally, that's the whole point of removing your wants/desires from the discussion.

Even if New Orleans didn't have first pick they would still always lobby to take us when eligible. Whoever would have that first pick would always take who made them the most money which most likely would be the closest geographically. You can't run from the money.

(12-05-2016 12:38 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 12:26 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Same for you too.

Which is more important to you? A vacation or a showcase for your team? Look at the opponents that the Belt is playing. We can't control our opponents. (Our contract with Bowls aren't CUSA/MAC/AAC's contract). So isn't it best for ANY team that's champion (or co-champ) to play the best showcase?

This year it's definitely App vs. Toledo.

It doesn't matter what is important to me personally, that's the whole point of removing your wants/desires from the discussion.

And to me, removing myself from the equation, the bowl games need to focus on showcasing exciting games, filling their coffers, filling seats.

That's pretty much what has happened this year and why I pretty much said I wouldn't change anything.

The NO bowl still get ULL at a minimum every other year if they make six wins in my solution.

NO can fill seats with ULL, Ark St., Troy, USA, and I think App, GS, and Texas St. fans would bring good crowds

DG can fill seats with ULL, Ark St., Troy, USA, and GS

Camellia can fill seats with ULL, Ark. St., Troy, USA, App, GS, and CCU

Cure can fill seats with App, GS, and CCU.

AZ - this is what we call a loss leader

This isn't the SBC from 2008 any longer let's start acting like it.

I'd let the bowls pick whomever they wanted. It's their game.


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(12-05-2016 12:45 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The NO bowl still get ULL at a minimum every other year if they make six wins in my solution.

NO can fill seats with ULL, Ark St., Troy, USA, and I think App, GS, and Texas St. fans would bring good crowds

DG can fill seats with ULL, Ark St., Troy, USA, and GS

Camellia can fill seats with ULL, Ark. St., Troy, USA, App, GS, and CCU

Cure can fill seats with App, GS, and CCU.

AZ - this is what we call a loss leader

This isn't the SBC from 2008 any longer let's start acting like it.

We are lucky it isn't 2008...2 of our 4 bowl eligible teams sat home and FAU played in Detroit. So forgive some of us who don't feel that 6 of our 6 bowl teams going bowling is in some need of fixing or restructuring.

(12-05-2016 12:51 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  I'd let the bowls pick whomever they wanted. It's their game.


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Yep.

(12-05-2016 12:45 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The NO bowl still get ULL at a minimum every other year if they make six wins in my solution.

NO can fill seats with ULL, Ark St., Troy, USA, and I think App, GS, and Texas St. fans would bring good crowds

DG can fill seats with ULL, Ark St., Troy, USA, and GS

Camellia can fill seats with ULL, Ark. St., Troy, USA, App, GS, and CCU

Cure can fill seats with App, GS, and CCU.

AZ - this is what we call a loss leader

This isn't the SBC from 2008 any longer let's start acting like it.

Past New Orleans bowl attendance figures dispute your "fill your seats" suggestion.

Anyone have the per team net income for 2014 and 2015 related to bowls? This information would be a key input in the discussion.

My biggest concern is that we are nearing a point in the SBC where if UL, USA, and Troy all get bowl eligible, they will take up the top 3 bowl games, regardless of record.

One of those teams going local is fine, but all three isn't.

(12-05-2016 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  My biggest concern is that we are nearing a point in the SBC where if UL, USA, and Troy all get bowl eligible, they will take up the top 3 bowl games, regardless of record.

One of those teams going local is fine, but all three isn't.

understandable as well.

However, I think the DG would go with the Champ in a normal year if NO takes ULL. I think the DG Bowl counted their chickens before they hatched.

It could have been Sun Belt Tri-Champ vs. MAC #2.

(12-05-2016 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  My biggest concern is that we are nearing a point in the SBC where if UL, USA, and Troy all get bowl eligible, they will take up the top 3 bowl games, regardless of record.

One of those teams going local is fine, but all three isn't.

I think Troy's season earned them that bowl, you can't fault them for being from Alabama. USA is going Artizona. If it was us in Nola, USA in mobile and Troy in Montgomery I could see your point but it isn't.

(12-05-2016 01:46 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  My biggest concern is that we are nearing a point in the SBC where if UL, USA, and Troy all get bowl eligible, they will take up the top 3 bowl games, regardless of record.

One of those teams going local is fine, but all three isn't.

I think Troy's season earned them that bowl, you can't fault them for being from Alabama. USA is going Artizona. If it was us in Nola, USA in mobile and Troy in Montgomery I could see your point but it isn't.

But it was VERY close to being so. Close enough that I believe a change will be made in 2018.

(12-05-2016 05:39 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 01:46 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  My biggest concern is that we are nearing a point in the SBC where if UL, USA, and Troy all get bowl eligible, they will take up the top 3 bowl games, regardless of record.

One of those teams going local is fine, but all three isn't.

I think Troy's season earned them that bowl, you can't fault them for being from Alabama. USA is going Artizona. If it was us in Nola, USA in mobile and Troy in Montgomery I could see your point but it isn't.

But it was VERY close to being so. Close enough that I believe a change will be made in 2018.

So now you want to discriminate against teams simply because they are in the state where the bowl is? Nothing is changing, except maybe our number of tie ins if we try some Mickey Mouse bullsht like you are suggesting.

I think the following rules might be useful

1) All bowls must openly commit to hosting every team. Meaning that a bowl cannot exclude any particular team in perpetuity.
2) No Bowl may pick the same team more than twice in a 5 year period unless a waiver is provided. Informally notify the New Orleans Bowl and the Dollar General that waivers will not be forthcoming for ULL or stAte except in very extenuating circumstances. The New Orleans Bowl already has a local team (USM is as close to New Orleans as Lafayette). An App/USM matchup in New Orleans would have been well attended.

(12-05-2016 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think the following rules might be useful

1) All bowls must openly commit to hosting every team. Meaning that a bowl cannot exclude any particular team in perpetuity.
2) No Bowl may pick the same team more than twice in a 5 year period unless a waiver is provided. Informally notify the New Orleans Bowl and the Dollar General that waivers will not be forthcoming for ULL or stAte except in very extenuating circumstances. The New Orleans Bowl already has a local team (USM is as close to New Orleans as Lafayette). An App/USM matchup in New Orleans would have been well attended.

Pretty sure another conference might be adding two or three additional bowh tie-ins or they would keep an empty slot and play the field. Almost all the bowls operate as fund raisers with charitable tie-ins and I don't think the B5 conferences have the stroke to tell them how to maximize their income.

(12-05-2016 06:29 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think the following rules might be useful

1) All bowls must openly commit to hosting every team. Meaning that a bowl cannot exclude any particular team in perpetuity.
2) No Bowl may pick the same team more than twice in a 5 year period unless a waiver is provided. Informally notify the New Orleans Bowl and the Dollar General that waivers will not be forthcoming for ULL or stAte except in very extenuating circumstances. The New Orleans Bowl already has a local team (USM is as close to New Orleans as Lafayette). An App/USM matchup in New Orleans would have been well attended.

Pretty sure another conference might be adding two or three additional bowh tie-ins or they would keep an empty slot and play the field. Almost all the bowls operate as fund raisers with charitable tie-ins and I don't think the B5 conferences have the stroke to tell them how to maximize their income.

Ok, they'll love hosting 5-7 San Jose State or North Texas or 6-7 Hawai'i. The APR rule is beautiful. The bowls either find an accommodation with a conference or they're taking a huge risk. Its not that hard of an imposition for the bowls. If it exists for one team only, then the league's other 9 teams should find another bowl and leave that bowl anyway. Seriously, what's in having a bowl tie in with the New Orleans Bowl anymore for anyone but ULL? We're guaranteed a spot in a bowl pretty much now.

I think the bowls should be ranked by payout and that is the order of the APR teams picked. No horse swapping allowed. Meaning, if you leave your slot open....you have no say as to who get put there.

The Belt has more leverage than you think it does.

(12-05-2016 06:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 06:29 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think the following rules might be useful

1) All bowls must openly commit to hosting every team. Meaning that a bowl cannot exclude any particular team in perpetuity.
2) No Bowl may pick the same team more than twice in a 5 year period unless a waiver is provided. Informally notify the New Orleans Bowl and the Dollar General that waivers will not be forthcoming for ULL or stAte except in very extenuating circumstances. The New Orleans Bowl already has a local team (USM is as close to New Orleans as Lafayette). An App/USM matchup in New Orleans would have been well attended.

Pretty sure another conference might be adding two or three additional bowh tie-ins or they would keep an empty slot and play the field. Almost all the bowls operate as fund raisers with charitable tie-ins and I don't think the B5 conferences have the stroke to tell them how to maximize their income.

Ok, they'll love hosting 5-7 San Jose State or North Texas or 6-7 Hawai'i. The APR rule is beautiful. The bowls either find an accommodation with a conference or they're taking a huge risk.

I think the bowls should be ranked by payout and that is the order of the APR teams picked. No horse swapping allowed. Meaning, if you leave your slot open....you have no say as to who get put there.

If they don't make money, they don't stay in business. Sponsors are getting harder to find to offset the costs. Check on the history of the Independence Bowl in Shreveport with underpayment of participants due to lack of attendance. I just think ultimately it's get as many teams from the conference in place for a national showcase and try to minimize the costs for each school. If we start getting multiple top 25 teams that can have some P5 wins combined with 9+ win seasons we'll have a little more stroke with bowls. JMO

Let's try to force the bowls to take teams they don't want...great idea! That will work out well for everyone.

There are really two things I would like to see which would make the bowl selection more interesting and exciting, at least for G5 schools. I wish that conferences could only have one tie in vs another conference. For example, since the SBC has the Dollar General Bowl vs MAC, the Camellia Bowl can't be SBC vs MAC as well. Second, I wish that bowl games would not be allowed to take the same team in back to back seasons. Those two things would guarantee new experiences and a lot of different opponents.