(12-06-2016 07:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 07:08 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 06:25 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.

Pretty sure they're not. You just have to justify your participation on the field and in the pocketbook. Go to the N.O. Bowl with 20,000 ticket orders and make your case.

I thought the Bowls were about being a good team. Oh well, enjoy the Participation Bowl.

If it was just that, we'd still have 25 less bowls and only P5 participants. It's about bowls making money for their charitable organizations to the best of their ability.

Bowl games aren't really about raising money for charity. They're about 2 weeks of practice time and helping promote the teams involved in the games. Its about alumni fundraising.

How much in CASH did the NO Bowl give to charity last year. (I said cash, not discounted tickets). Looks like a pretty big staff too. Are they volunteers? Although some of them might work for the GNOSF too. Oddly enough, their website doesn't seem to crow about the charity that much. My guess is that they give some discounted tickets and hold a few events. Whats their administrative budget vs their CASH charitable outlays? Website mentions a day camp for 200 kids for a (probably a weeklong) football drill camp. Okay, thats something, but I doubt that's really a huge outlay.

Actually, I misrepresented this as a charity. It is a 501c4 organization to bring revenue to the city. I've included the NOBowl link to the Greater New Orleans Sports Foundation, who also manages the Sugar Bowl. They also do give away tickets to vets and children that are purchased by area businesses.

GNOSF

(12-06-2016 07:38 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 07:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 07:08 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 06:25 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Pretty sure they're not. You just have to justify your participation on the field and in the pocketbook. Go to the N.O. Bowl with 20,000 ticket orders and make your case.

I thought the Bowls were about being a good team. Oh well, enjoy the Participation Bowl.

If it was just that, we'd still have 25 less bowls and only P5 participants. It's about bowls making money for their charitable organizations to the best of their ability.

Bowl games aren't really about raising money for charity. They're about 2 weeks of practice time and helping promote the teams involved in the games. Its about alumni fundraising.

How much in CASH did the NO Bowl give to charity last year. (I said cash, not discounted tickets). Looks like a pretty big staff too. Are they volunteers? Although some of them might work for the GNOSF too. Oddly enough, their website doesn't seem to crow about the charity that much. My guess is that they give some discounted tickets and hold a few events. Whats their administrative budget vs their CASH charitable outlays? Website mentions a day camp for 200 kids for a (probably a weeklong) football drill camp. Okay, thats something, but I doubt that's really a huge outlay.

Actually, I misrepresented this as a charity. It is a 501c4 organization to bring revenue to the city. I've included the NOBowl link to the Greater New Orleans Sports Foundation, who also manages the Sugar Bowl. They also do give away tickets to vets and children that are purchased by area businesses.

GNOSF

Agreed.

So the NO Bowl is simply an 'add on' event to the same regional sports authority that manages New Orleans's Super Bowl and Final Four bids. I doubt were going to get much info out of that because its probably all merged. I'd imagine that they do have a staff that is very well compensated (but most of the revenues are coming from elsewhere too). The NO Bowl website mentions a weeklong day camp for 200 kids and some discounted tickets. I'll go with that. Its not nothing, but its not a traditional charity, most of whom have missions that are primarily focused on charitable work, not tourism, sports, or economic development.

(12-06-2016 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 05:47 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones.

Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter. App should be in that bowl, had they elected to be there. They beat you guys AND they won the conference. Their reward? Playing in Montgomery for the second straight year.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.

Funny a fan that needed an extra FCS game to get bowl eligible has no business deriding a "participation bowl"

Let App fight their own fight. You have no legs to stand on.

PS - what are you going to do next year when you can't rely on that FCS win to get to 6?

(12-06-2016 08:50 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 05:47 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 08:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Again not reading what it written. Time to let you believe what you want, no words will get through to you.

ULL was born on the right side of the street and graduated with a C average, congrats.

Later bud.

Wow.

I never thought we'd get the "SJW" privilege argument leveled against us.

We've sat through more seasons where we were bowl eligible and sat at home than actual bowl visits.

So, yeah, we're the privileged ones.

Uh..youre the one playing in the Participation Bowl, where records don't matter. App should be in that bowl, had they elected to be there. They beat you guys AND they won the conference. Their reward? Playing in Montgomery for the second straight year.

The bowl dynamic has changed. No reason why 9 Belt teams should be constrained.

Funny a fan that needed an extra FCS game to get bowl eligible has no business deriding a "participation bowl"

Let App fight their own fight. You have no legs to stand on.

PS - what are you going to do next year when you can't rely on that FCS win to get to 6?

LOL. Either win some conference games or fire Jones. He's on pretty thin ice. I'm not calling for his head - yet. Others are. But its not year 1 anymore.

(12-06-2016 02:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 02:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why is the NO Bowl so low on C-USA's list? It is convenient for the entire western division and is not much farther than those South Fla. bowl games are for the eastern division (except for the F_U's). Sure it's the junior varsity version of the Sugar Bowl, but it's still freaking New Orleans. Seems like that would be a better place to visit in late December, for fans, than the Bahamas (expense), Dallas (cold outdoors, and Dallas has no French Quarter), New Mexico (too far), Hawaii (incredibly far and incredibly expensive).

I would love for App to have the chance sometime to go to New Orleans. The team did what it could on the field to keep Louisiana out of it, and against the rest of the Sun Belt since it won a share of the league championship. Our fans have traveled well to Chattanooga, Montgomery, and non conference road games. I would love to see how well we would show up for NO. App is not North Texas, or FAU, or FIU, or others whose fans failed to show up.

The relationship between Nola and cusa may not be as old as some of those other bowls. The bowls and conference have business relationships, just like in real life you don't go around taking shots on people you have had long business relationships with. Some people have this mentality like the bowls are there as some service to us and be told what to do...it isn't like that at all, it's business between them and the conference.

Does CUSA Honestly have a pecking order though? If I remember the way it works over there correctly, the Overall and Division Champion pretty much get to choose where they go, and then the rest of the bowls fill in from there.

The reason we don't see a top CUSA team in Nola is their champ would rather face an AAC school, and they are given a choice.

(12-06-2016 09:03 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 02:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 02:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why is the NO Bowl so low on C-USA's list? It is convenient for the entire western division and is not much farther than those South Fla. bowl games are for the eastern division (except for the F_U's). Sure it's the junior varsity version of the Sugar Bowl, but it's still freaking New Orleans. Seems like that would be a better place to visit in late December, for fans, than the Bahamas (expense), Dallas (cold outdoors, and Dallas has no French Quarter), New Mexico (too far), Hawaii (incredibly far and incredibly expensive).

I would love for App to have the chance sometime to go to New Orleans. The team did what it could on the field to keep Louisiana out of it, and against the rest of the Sun Belt since it won a share of the league championship. Our fans have traveled well to Chattanooga, Montgomery, and non conference road games. I would love to see how well we would show up for NO. App is not North Texas, or FAU, or FIU, or others whose fans failed to show up.

The relationship between Nola and cusa may not be as old as some of those other bowls. The bowls and conference have business relationships, just like in real life you don't go around taking shots on people you have had long business relationships with. Some people have this mentality like the bowls are there as some service to us and be told what to do...it isn't like that at all, it's business between them and the conference.

Does CUSA Honestly have a pecking order though? If I remember the way it works over there correctly, the Overall and Division Champion pretty much get to choose where they go, and then the rest of the bowls fill in from there.

The reason we don't see a top CUSA team in Nola is their champ would rather face an AAC school, and they are given a choice.

Per UTSA http://www.goutsa.com/news/2014/6/5/209517761.aspx
the conference champion picks their bowl. I suspect the HOD wasn't picked because there was to be no P5 in it this year.

(12-06-2016 09:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 09:03 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 02:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 02:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why is the NO Bowl so low on C-USA's list? It is convenient for the entire western division and is not much farther than those South Fla. bowl games are for the eastern division (except for the F_U's). Sure it's the junior varsity version of the Sugar Bowl, but it's still freaking New Orleans. Seems like that would be a better place to visit in late December, for fans, than the Bahamas (expense), Dallas (cold outdoors, and Dallas has no French Quarter), New Mexico (too far), Hawaii (incredibly far and incredibly expensive).

I would love for App to have the chance sometime to go to New Orleans. The team did what it could on the field to keep Louisiana out of it, and against the rest of the Sun Belt since it won a share of the league championship. Our fans have traveled well to Chattanooga, Montgomery, and non conference road games. I would love to see how well we would show up for NO. App is not North Texas, or FAU, or FIU, or others whose fans failed to show up.

The relationship between Nola and cusa may not be as old as some of those other bowls. The bowls and conference have business relationships, just like in real life you don't go around taking shots on people you have had long business relationships with. Some people have this mentality like the bowls are there as some service to us and be told what to do...it isn't like that at all, it's business between them and the conference.

Does CUSA Honestly have a pecking order though? If I remember the way it works over there correctly, the Overall and Division Champion pretty much get to choose where they go, and then the rest of the bowls fill in from there.

The reason we don't see a top CUSA team in Nola is their champ would rather face an AAC school, and they are given a choice.

Per UTSA http://www.goutsa.com/news/2014/6/5/209517761.aspx
the conference champion picks their bowl. I suspect the HOD wasn't picked because there was to be no P5 in it this year.

Even then, Western won the title, and they have been pretty big about playing as many bowl games in Florida as possible for recruiting purposes. They didn't choose HOD last year despite it having a Big 10 opponent.