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yes my "opinion" wmu isnt the best but thats eye test...but if i made a g5 ranking 99% of people on this board would rank wmu #1, including me..if you are making a g5 vs p5 comparison you start with wmu as your #1 even though most people perception wise probably have houston or boise as the best..
this thread isnt saying wmu isnt #1, we are saying you are but Wisconsin is going to expose you that your current status is built on weak sos (for a "elite" team)

i think there are more than 7 good AAC (If comparing to other g5)..
i think smu is good (for the g5 standard)..look at their losses they didnt lose to a single bad team.. not 1..

ecu/uconn/cincy are IMO 6-9 win teams in any other g5...all beat p5 teams to start the year, some in blowout fashion.. (ill note this again before you twist my words, im talking "the g5 standard")
but in the aac someone has to lose and someone has to win...
i am also a firm believer in the notion the confidence/momentum wins game.. teams that continuously win games, fight in a game all the way through.. and teams that pile on loses (even vs good teams) get a mentality of losing and tend to quit at the first sign of trouble

cincy is the perfect example of that, they have the talent to be elite, but they play hard games and couldnt find enough momentum and eventually quit

i dont think a single aac team is bad by the g5 standard, even our worst team tulane beat the #5 sunbelt team, who is bowling...
after ooc games, before conference play started (where we beat up on each other).. every single aac team was top 80, less than 20% of every other g5 was top 80...the next best g5, the MWC, had 6 teams lower than our worst team (computer rankings)
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(12-07-2016 07:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  yes my "opinion" wmu isnt the best but thats eye test...but if i made a g5 ranking 99% of people on this board would rank wmu #1, including me..if you are making a g5 vs p5 comparison you start with wmu as your #1 even though most people perception wise probably have houston or boise as the best..
this thread isnt saying wmu isnt #1, we are saying you are but Wisconsin is going to expose you that your current status is built on weak sos (for a "elite" team)

i think there are more than 7 good AAC (If comparing to other g5)..
i think smu is good (for the g5 standard)..look at their losses they didnt lose to a single bad team.. not 1..

ecu/uconn/cincy are IMO 6-9 win teams in any other g5...all beat p5 teams to start the year, some in blowout fashion.. (ill note this again before you twist my words, im talking "the g5 standard")
but in the aac someone has to lose and someone has to win...
i am also a firm believer in the notion the confidence/momentum wins game.. teams that continuously win games, fight in a game all the way through.. and teams that pile on loses (even vs good teams) get a mentality of losing and tend to quit at the first sign of trouble

cincy is the perfect example of that, they have the talent to be elite, but they play hard games and couldnt find enough momentum and eventually quit

i dont think a single aac team is bad by the g5 standard, even our worst team tulane beat the #5 sunbelt team, who is bowling...
after ooc games, before conference play started (where we beat up on each other).. every single aac team was top 80, less than 20% of every other g5 was top 80...the next best g5, the MWC, had 6 teams lower than our worst team (computer rankings)
Lol. My head spins, but that made it spin around three times. You just go on believing that your conference is so good that an SMU team with a bad record, and even after giving up an ostonishing 70 points in a single game, is a good G5 team. You just can't concede even the most obvious because you are blinded by your own arrogance. But at least we all know the standard here with you AAC boys, and the quality of your argument. Because your arguments on the issue are just as "good" as SMU's football team this year.

Carry on, as on that note I will rest my case.
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(12-07-2016 08:15 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 07:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  yes my "opinion" wmu isnt the best but thats eye test...but if i made a g5 ranking 99% of people on this board would rank wmu #1, including me..if you are making a g5 vs p5 comparison you start with wmu as your #1 even though most people perception wise probably have houston or boise as the best..
this thread isnt saying wmu isnt #1, we are saying you are but Wisconsin is going to expose you that your current status is built on weak sos (for a "elite" team)

i think there are more than 7 good AAC (If comparing to other g5)..
i think smu is good (for the g5 standard)..look at their losses they didnt lose to a single bad team.. not 1..

ecu/uconn/cincy are IMO 6-9 win teams in any other g5...all beat p5 teams to start the year, some in blowout fashion.. (ill note this again before you twist my words, im talking "the g5 standard")
but in the aac someone has to lose and someone has to win...
i am also a firm believer in the notion the confidence/momentum wins game.. teams that continuously win games, fight in a game all the way through.. and teams that pile on loses (even vs good teams) get a mentality of losing and tend to quit at the first sign of trouble

cincy is the perfect example of that, they have the talent to be elite, but they play hard games and couldnt find enough momentum and eventually quit

i dont think a single aac team is bad by the g5 standard, even our worst team tulane beat the #5 sunbelt team, who is bowling...
after ooc games, before conference play started (where we beat up on each other).. every single aac team was top 80, less than 20% of every other g5 was top 80...the next best g5, the MWC, had 6 teams lower than our worst team (computer rankings)
Lol. My head spins, but that made it spin around three times. You just go on believing that your conference is so good that an SMU team with a bad record, and even after giving up an ostonishing 70 points in a single game, is a good G5 team. You just can't concede even the most obvious because you are blinded by your own arrogance. But at least we all know the standard here with you AAC boys, and the quality of your argument. Because your arguments on the issue are just as "good" as SMU's football team this year.

Carry on, as on that note I will rest my case.

i noted atleast 5 times in that post that we are talking about the "g5 standard", numerous times..that is what im comparing smu to

lets play a game; you say smu is "bad", but note 6 good mwc and 4 mac are good

i have no clue who your 4th good mac team is, so lets go with the 3rd...

name 1 team ohio (#3 mac) would have beaten that smu lost to....
name 1 team team csu and new mexico (#5 and #6 mwc) would have beat that smu lost to..

sos desnt seem to comprehend with you...you are judging of blank records alone

ps if thats your case, you are horrible at debating..you didnt make 1 good point this entire time
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Bottom line, just waiting for the blow out. The relagation to division 2 will be complete for you MAC fan boys. Can you imagine the blowback by boosters, access bowls, the media, and the P5 conferences if the committee ever considered a MAC team again? You can put forth 10 more undefeated teams and you will never sniff a NY6 bowl again.......... so you've got enough to worry about. Your team potentially is gonna do much more harm to your conference than you can imagine.

Granted, if you win, good for you. But man oh man, if you get blown out, fool me once (NIU) shame on you, fool me twice (WMU), shame on me....... the committee will never lose the taste of poop in their mouth whenever they think of the MAC again.
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(12-04-2016 10:18 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  here's a reminder of every BCS/CFP bowl game Notre Dame has ever played in-

*2001 Fiesta Bowl: Oregon St 41, Notre Dame 9. (-32pts)
2006 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio St 34, Notre Dame 20. (-14pts)
*2007 Sugar Bowl: LSU 41, Notre Dame 14. (-27pts)
*2013 Natl Champ: Alabama 42, Notre Dame 14. (-28pts)


* one of 10 largest blowouts in BCS Bowl history.



in other words, the MAC has a looooong way to go before its BCS/CFP bowl performances are as historically awful and embarrassing as the all mighty Notre Dame.


again, a blowout loss by WMU means nothing.
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Um, it's NOTRE DAME. They write the rules and don't have to follow them. I hate the Irish with a passion but if you think Western will be judged by the same standards then you haven't been paying attention to the NCAA since the 1970s.

I hope Western wins. I don't think they will but I hope they do. Adding another year and another conference winning from the G5 sends a pretty good message.
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(12-07-2016 09:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 10:18 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  here's a reminder of every BCS/CFP bowl game Notre Dame has ever played in-

*2001 Fiesta Bowl: Oregon St 41, Notre Dame 9. (-32pts)
2006 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio St 34, Notre Dame 20. (-14pts)
*2007 Sugar Bowl: LSU 41, Notre Dame 14. (-27pts)
*2013 Natl Champ: Alabama 42, Notre Dame 14. (-28pts)


* one of 10 largest blowouts in BCS Bowl history.



in other words, the MAC has a looooong way to go before its BCS/CFP bowl performances are as historically awful and embarrassing as the all mighty Notre Dame.


again, a blowout loss by WMU means nothing.

Notre Dame also has 11 national titles (and even more unclaimed national titles) as well as a national following. They routinely sell out a stadium that seats 80,000 while MAC teams struggle to get 15,000 in the stands. While I enjoy ripping on how overrated the Irish are year after year, they are so far above the MAC its not funny. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Fleck ends up with the Notre Dame job before too long.
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(12-07-2016 09:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 10:18 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  here's a reminder of every BCS/CFP bowl game Notre Dame has ever played in-

*2001 Fiesta Bowl: Oregon St 41, Notre Dame 9. (-32pts)
2006 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio St 34, Notre Dame 20. (-14pts)
*2007 Sugar Bowl: LSU 41, Notre Dame 14. (-27pts)
*2013 Natl Champ: Alabama 42, Notre Dame 14. (-28pts)


* one of 10 largest blowouts in BCS Bowl history.



in other words, the MAC has a looooong way to go before its BCS/CFP bowl performances are as historically awful and embarrassing as the all mighty Notre Dame.


again, a blowout loss by WMU means nothing.

Are you comparing a MAC team to Notre Dame? 03-lmfao
When the MAC brings the following and TV ratings that ND does then maybe we could take that comparison semi seriously.

Notre Dame is the worst case you can use as a comparison.
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(12-07-2016 08:15 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 07:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  yes my "opinion" wmu isnt the best but thats eye test...but if i made a g5 ranking 99% of people on this board would rank wmu #1, including me..if you are making a g5 vs p5 comparison you start with wmu as your #1 even though most people perception wise probably have houston or boise as the best..
this thread isnt saying wmu isnt #1, we are saying you are but Wisconsin is going to expose you that your current status is built on weak sos (for a "elite" team)

i think there are more than 7 good AAC (If comparing to other g5)..
i think smu is good (for the g5 standard)..look at their losses they didnt lose to a single bad team.. not 1..

ecu/uconn/cincy are IMO 6-9 win teams in any other g5...all beat p5 teams to start the year, some in blowout fashion.. (ill note this again before you twist my words, im talking "the g5 standard")
but in the aac someone has to lose and someone has to win...
i am also a firm believer in the notion the confidence/momentum wins game.. teams that continuously win games, fight in a game all the way through.. and teams that pile on loses (even vs good teams) get a mentality of losing and tend to quit at the first sign of trouble

cincy is the perfect example of that, they have the talent to be elite, but they play hard games and couldnt find enough momentum and eventually quit

i dont think a single aac team is bad by the g5 standard, even our worst team tulane beat the #5 sunbelt team, who is bowling...
after ooc games, before conference play started (where we beat up on each other).. every single aac team was top 80, less than 20% of every other g5 was top 80...the next best g5, the MWC, had 6 teams lower than our worst team (computer rankings)
Lol. My head spins, but that made it spin around three times. You just go on believing that your conference is so good that an SMU team with a bad record, and even after giving up an ostonishing 70 points in a single game, is a good G5 team. You just can't concede even the most obvious because you are blinded by your own arrogance. But at least we all know the standard here with you AAC boys, and the quality of your argument. Because your arguments on the issue are just as "good" as SMU's football team this year.

Carry on, as on that note I will rest my case.

Ohio, the team that won the East division of the MAC, lost to Texas St. at home. Texas St. was so bad this year they couldn't manage to win a single game in the Sun Belt. The MAC sucks, end of discussion. Now get off our board.
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(12-07-2016 09:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 10:18 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  here's a reminder of every BCS/CFP bowl game Notre Dame has ever played in-

*2001 Fiesta Bowl: Oregon St 41, Notre Dame 9. (-32pts)
2006 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio St 34, Notre Dame 20. (-14pts)
*2007 Sugar Bowl: LSU 41, Notre Dame 14. (-27pts)
*2013 Natl Champ: Alabama 42, Notre Dame 14. (-28pts)


* one of 10 largest blowouts in BCS Bowl history.



in other words, the MAC has a looooong way to go before its BCS/CFP bowl performances are as historically awful and embarrassing as the all mighty Notre Dame.


again, a blowout loss by WMU means nothing.

completely disagree stop pretending the g5 are given the same lee way as a p5..everything we do is examined and we only get one shot

if houston had made the playoff and lost..ALL the media critics would have said this is why g5 shouldnt get playoff bids

niu left a bad stigma for the mac 3 years ago but imo it wasnt that big directly to th emac but the G5...i remember after they lost espn had rants about why this is the reason g5 shouldnt get bcs bids if they hadnt beaten big boy teams..
i found this on the interweb as an example: https://youtu.be/EX8nwlIPUSs?t=1m26s
ucf/houston/boise changed that g5 perception back to positive

if wmu losses, i wouldnt be shock to have that change from oh its not the g5, its the mac/c-usa/sunbelt type teams that shouldn't get bids
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why are MAAC tools still here blathering?
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(12-07-2016 10:42 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  why are MAAC tools still here blathering?

18 pages of this drivel.
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(12-07-2016 10:42 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  why are MAAC tools still here blathering?

Because they're desperately starved for attention. 03-lmfao
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I'll make a quick point that I haven't seen mentioned. WMU isn't just 13-0, they are actually 15-0. They have won fifteen games in a row going back to the end of last season. Those two games? One was against a ranked opponent, Toledo was ranked #24 when we beat them the last game of the regular season, and Toledo then went on to finish 9-3 this year. We then went on to beat Middle Tennessee State in our bowl game, who is 8-4 so far this season.

Also, there is a fallacy here that I would like to point out. Just because WMU may not play the hardest schedule, does not mean that they cannot be a good team as well. They have won every game this season by 14 points or more except for two. Northwestern, a tough opponent who Wisconsin only beat by 14, and then in the championship game against Ohio. It's not like WMU was barely squeaking by in all their games.

WMU and Wisconsin have had three common opponent this season, and statistically speaking, the three games were pretty similar.

No one is disputing the strength of the AAC, but to claim WMU is not a good team based purely on their SOS/conference is ignorant.
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(12-08-2016 08:49 AM)broncos1123 Wrote:  WMU and Wisconsin have had three common opponent this season, and statistically speaking, the three games were pretty similar.

No one is disputing the strength of the AAC, but to claim WMU is not a good team based purely on their SOS/conference is ignorant.

I think WMU is a good team, and I thought you guys would have deserved the Cotton Bowl bid even if Navy had won the AAC and beaten Army. IMO you had the best G5 resume regardless.

That said, I don't like your chances versus Wisconsin, IMO they are a bad matchup for you. When underrated G5 are playing big-time P5, the odds of an upset go up if the P5 team is one of those speedy, high-flying teams. Because those teams don't like to play physical, their stars don't want to dirty their hands, and that style of play tends to breed a cocky, overconfident mindset, they tend to be "down" at having to play a G5, who they think are beneath them so no need to prepare or put forth much effort. All of which sets them up for a shock, being unprepared and prone to making mistakes. So you want to play teams like Baylor, Oklahoma, and FSU, those types. Swagger teams.

Wisconsin is a different animal. They are highly disciplined, physical football team, blue collar. They aren't likely to show up overly cocky, and they aren't adverse to grinding it out. In fact, they will know you guys score a lot of points, and their defense will take it as a point of pride to shut you down and not let it happen to them. And on offense they won't be rushed, won't feel the need to fling the ball around a lot and score quick points, they will be content to run the ball up the gut, using their superior line size and strength, minimizing the chance of turnovers and the like.

And unfortunately, Wisconsin has the stud athletes to do it.

Wisconsin 38, WMU 17
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