(12-04-2016 01:14 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: I don't see the argument of Clemson being seeded higher than Washington. Clemson has not been impressive against teams with a .700 record or above and they have a bad loss. Washington has been impressive in all but one game against a USC team who could go head to head with anyone in the country.
I also no longer see the justification of Ohio State over Penn State. It's a close call but Penn State beat Ohio State and won the Big 10. One loss should not be allowed to play a huge factor here.
Washington vs. Clemons is certainly debatabale. It tends to hinge on conference strength, which I think is basically speculation (and pretty much always is). Clemson is also probably given somewhat an edge for being in the national championship game last year. It's probably a moot point as I think both should be ranked 2 or 3 and play each other.
But your comparison of losses seems misguided. Pittsburgh (8-4) has virtually the same record as USC (9-3) playing vastly different schedules. USC may or may not be better that Pitt. But they seems like very similar teams. Pitt doesn't have a bad loss on their record and has beaten two of the top teams in the nation. USC has a very similar resume. Their losses to Utah and Stanford are similiar to Pitt's losses to Oklahoma St, Virginia Tech, Miami, and UNC.
(12-04-2016 01:14 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: I don't see the argument of Clemson being seeded higher than Washington. Clemson has not been impressive against teams with a .700 record or above and they have a bad loss. Washington has been impressive in all but one game against a USC team who could go head to head with anyone in the country.
I also no longer see the justification of Ohio State over Penn State. It's a close call but Penn State beat Ohio State and won the Big 10. One loss should not be allowed to play a huge factor here.
Clemson- 4 wins over ranked opponents, including 3 top 15 teams. And loss to Pitt is against a ranked team. So not a bad loss.
Washington- 3 wins over ranked opponents, with only 1 vs a top 15 team.
oh and the real reason why Washington has zero chance to finish ahead of Clemson. Rutgers, Idaho, and Portland St.
LOL. Penn State's not coming close to that. #3?! Really?
It's how it was last week.
Wisconsin could have made #4 if Clemson (or Washington yesterday) would have lost.
Penn State -- MAYBE if either would have done Horribly bad or something.
Conference Championships to the Committee don't mean much if at all. It's only a tipping point, as they said, when they compare two teams basically tied for a spot.
So in the end, PSU will play USC (or Colorado) -- and their latter upswing will fall short. I bet my virginity on that.
(12-04-2016 12:04 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: 1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) Penn State
4) Washington
Rationale for no Ohio State: Conference championships matter. You shouldn't be playing for the national title in just a four team playoff if you weren't even playing for your conference title.
I'm with you GTS. If the committee does not make this selection, the whole process is exposed as a sham.
I could ignore the conference championship if we had a 3 way tie (a la Oklahoma/Texas/Texas Tech) and the conference winner was off an arbitrary non-h2h tiebreaker.
But that didn't happen. Penn State won the H2H and Big Ten straight up.
(12-04-2016 12:05 AM)stever20 Wrote: It's easy.
1 Alabama
2 Ohio St
3 Clemson
4 Washington
Sorry but the rules aren't the 4 best conference champions. It's the 4 best teams period.
If any of my 4 are left out it'd be Washington.
What I think. S20 nailed it and those will be the four. However, the committee made such a stink over the 13th data point and CCG matters the first two seasons. Jumping OSU over TCU . My vote would be in the general public CFP Committee.
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Washington
4. Penn State
Otherwise, get rid of the CCG's and add 13th game to the conferences. CFP picks only top 4 and the other bowl reps for access slots
Penn St. loss to Michigan by 39 pts plus a loss to Pitt. Penn St will be rewarded with the Rose Bowl which I believe is appropriate for the B1G Champs.
If head to head is a over riding factor then how do you justify Penn State over Michigan? If conference champion is the over riding factor then Oklahoma has an argument. Penn State has 2 losses versus 1 for Ohio State plus Ohio State had the stronger schedule. You want the 4 best teams or do you want the 4 who won a conference championship game? 2 losses (one a blow out loss) versus 1 loss is the key factor. Ohio State should be in and deservedly so.
(12-04-2016 12:43 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote: I think it's so strange that I haven't heard one talking head mention this week how shaky OSU looked (AT HOME!) in the UM game. Yes, they pulled it out...and a win is a win...but they needed some luck (Michigan mistakes, reffing). All I've heard is about Ohio State's impressive win over top 5 Michigan.
Yet, PSU won on a special teams play against OSU...as if it were some kind of fluke. We also shut down OSU for the final 4 minutes to win the game...PSU also played better versus Michigan State than OSU and Michigan did...and PSU played better against Indiana than Michigan did late in the season. (Yes, yes, I know Michigan creamed PSU without 7 of our linebackers in the Big House...I know...)
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. PSU
4. Washington
Michigan was the #3 team in the country, that's why folks didn't talk about how shaky Ohio St was vs them. Wow.
Also you bring up Penn St vs Michigan giving Penn St an excuse with the LB, but then say Penn St looked better than Michigan vs Indiana, when Michigan didn't have their QB. Can't have it both ways pal.
If you lose a game 49-10, you don't really belong in the playoffs.
Conference championships and head to head are tie breakers when two teams resumes are similar. I just down think Ohio Stars and Penn States resumes are similar enough. Ohio State likely has at 1 more quality win and for sure one less loss, including no losses to teams outside the top 25. They don't have the same resume.
Penn St and OU have more similar resumes. Penn St clearly is a little better, but that is the team more in the same category of resume strength. Michigan, too, although they split the "tiebreakers". BurnOhio State's resume is simply better.
I do think it will be Alabama then Clemson then Ohio State then Washington. I think they'll put Penn St 5th then Michigan then Oklahoma. 2 and 3 could switch or 5 and 6. Maybe OU to 6, but I think Michigan has a better resume.
If OSU goes in, that's fine. But, I'm looking at three 12+ win teams...not sure how Ohio State or Penn State aren't lining up against Bama with both lacking in places.
It should be:
Alabama
Clemson
Washington
Penn State/OSU
I think it will be:
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Washington
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2016 10:32 AM by The Cutter of Bish.)
(12-04-2016 09:24 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: Conference championships and head to head are tie breakers when two teams resumes are similar. I just down think Ohio Stars and Penn States resumes are similar enough. Ohio State likely has at 1 more quality win and for sure one less loss, including no losses to teams outside the top 25. They don't have the same resume.
Penn St and OU have more similar resumes. Penn St clearly is a little better, but that is the team more in the same category of resume strength. Michigan, too, although they split the "tiebreakers". BurnOhio State's resume is simply better.
I do think it will be Alabama then Clemson then Ohio State then Washington. I think they'll put Penn St 5th then Michigan then Oklahoma. 2 and 3 could switch or 5 and 6. Maybe OU to 6, but I think Michigan has a better resume.
You don't need to compare resumes....they played each other and are in the same Division
Only in college football do you get laughable arguments like "comparing resumes"...
(12-04-2016 12:11 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: I really want to put Penn St in instead of Ohio St- they have the conf championship and the head to head. But Ohio St will have 2 wins over top 8 teams, including a nonconfernce game. Man it would have been so much simpler if Michigan had won the Big 10.
I really think Washington is in. I think it is down to Penn St and Ohio St for the last spot.
I agree. Yeah championship matter but so does winning & losing. Penn State lost to Michigan by 39(!!!) & to Pitt. They beat Ohio State & now Wisconsin but Ohio St beat Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska & @ Oklahoma. They are 4 points away from an undefeated season, Penn State can't even come close to saying that. H2H only matters in a tie, I don't know if they have done enough to make it a tie.