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(12-04-2016 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  
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(12-04-2016 05:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Actually Quo, I didn't think so. Louisville / L.S.U. is intriguing.

Yes, that's a good one. Interesting matchup.

Yes very intriguing matchup and hopefully the LSU that show up against Arkansas and the Louisville that played against FSU will be on display in Orlando...hoping for and looking for a good game on NYE...04-cheers

FYI, LSU just tweeted that LB Kendell Beckwith won't play in the Citrus Bowl due to a knee injury.

Beckwith is the heart/soul of LSU's defense, calls the defensive signals. With him they are very formidable, play like an oiled unit, without him, not nearly so much.

But, everyone moves on and they do have 4 weeks to prepare for your excellent offense.

Can you verify, a LSU fan came on our board and said Fournette is sitting out...I know Derrius Guice is a stud but would have like to see the defense face the challenge of Fournette...only way as a program you get better.

Fournette is officially "day to day" and no status for the Citrus has been announced.

I would be shocked if he plays. He's in the NFL draft in a few months, and there's no reason to risk further injuries.

While that's disappointing, you will face Guice, who as you said is himself pretty studly. He will be a challenge for your defense, but then again you already faced Dalvin Cook and you stifled him pretty good.
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(12-04-2016 10:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 05:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 04:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  SEC has brutal bowl matchups. Alabama may be the only SEC team to win a bowl game.

Actually Quo, I didn't think so. Louisville / L.S.U. is intriguing. Kentucky/Georgia Tech is as well. Arkansas / Virginia Tech will be ground and pound. If healthy Auburn / Oklahoma will be good. If not it won't. Mississippi State vs Miami of Ohio looks winnable. Florida / Iowa looks pretty even. Vandy / N.C. State is about even. Tennessee could have a tough time but it depends on which Tennessee shows up. Georgia will be facing a tough shot at a win. But all in all it looks pretty doable. At least they will be challenging games.

Mississippi State looks winnable? They could be favored by 2 touchdowns.

The SEC could be underdogs in 8 of their 12 bowl games. By contrast, the AAC could be favored in all 7 of theirs.

I would guess the AAC will be favored in all its bowl games save possibly for the Memphis/WKU game, which might be a pick-em.
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(12-05-2016 09:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC has great opponents- to me best by far in the G5...
They have 4 teams playing G5 division/league champions(or co-champs in Sun Belt).
Memphis vs Western Kentucky
Navy vs La Tech
Houston vs San Diego St
UCF vs Arkansas St

then with their other teams- they get Temple vs Wake Forest, USF vs South Carolina- so 2 P5 games, and then Tulsa gets Central Michigan. So if the AAC goes 7-0, it's going to really mean something.

Well, how many bowl games against the CFP top 25 do we have? I count zero. And there's also no getting around the fact that bowl season reminds us of how non-Power we really are. Of our 7 bowl games, 5 are against other G5, and two are against the very dregs of the P5.

Four of the AAC bowl games are played the first weekend of bowl season, which reeks "small time", with only Navy and USF playing after Christmas, and both are done by December 29, when "big boy" bowl season really kicks in.
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(12-05-2016 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 08:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 06:05 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 05:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, that's a good one. Interesting matchup.

Yes very intriguing matchup and hopefully the LSU that show up against Arkansas and the Louisville that played against FSU will be on display in Orlando...hoping for and looking for a good game on NYE...04-cheers

FYI, LSU just tweeted that LB Kendell Beckwith won't play in the Citrus Bowl due to a knee injury.

Beckwith is the heart/soul of LSU's defense, calls the defensive signals. With him they are very formidable, play like an oiled unit, without him, not nearly so much.

But, everyone moves on and they do have 4 weeks to prepare for your excellent offense.

Can you verify, a LSU fan came on our board and said Fournette is sitting out...I know Derrius Guice is a stud but would have like to see the defense face the challenge of Fournette...only way as a program you get better.

Fournette is officially "day to day" and no status for the Citrus has been announced.

I would be shocked if he plays. He's in the NFL draft in a few months, and there's no reason to risk further injuries.

While that's disappointing, you will face Guice, who as you said is himself pretty studly. He will be a challenge for your defense, but then again you already faced Dalvin Cook and you stifled him pretty good.

Oh Guice is a beast in his own right..him and Fournette gives LSU the most talented backfield in the nation. Thanks for the clarification
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(12-05-2016 09:46 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 08:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 06:05 PM)Maize Wrote:  Yes very intriguing matchup and hopefully the LSU that show up against Arkansas and the Louisville that played against FSU will be on display in Orlando...hoping for and looking for a good game on NYE...04-cheers

FYI, LSU just tweeted that LB Kendell Beckwith won't play in the Citrus Bowl due to a knee injury.

Beckwith is the heart/soul of LSU's defense, calls the defensive signals. With him they are very formidable, play like an oiled unit, without him, not nearly so much.

But, everyone moves on and they do have 4 weeks to prepare for your excellent offense.

Can you verify, a LSU fan came on our board and said Fournette is sitting out...I know Derrius Guice is a stud but would have like to see the defense face the challenge of Fournette...only way as a program you get better.

Fournette is officially "day to day" and no status for the Citrus has been announced.

I would be shocked if he plays. He's in the NFL draft in a few months, and there's no reason to risk further injuries.

While that's disappointing, you will face Guice, who as you said is himself pretty studly. He will be a challenge for your defense, but then again you already faced Dalvin Cook and you stifled him pretty good.

Oh Guice is a beast in his own right..him and Fournette gives LSU the most talented backfield in the nation. Thanks for the clarification

FWIW, before the game vs Florida, the coaches had ruled Fournette out, but then he got into a scrape with some Florida players and coaches on the field during warmups, got really pissed off and insisted the coaches let him suit up. He was obviously hobbled when he did play a few downs, further aggravating his injury (dumb).

Personally, I thought this incident was going to cost Orgeron any chance at the LSU job. You don't have control of your team if you rule a player out and then let him force his way in because he has a fit before the game. But oh well.

So if Louisville really wants him to play, just have some of your guys or coaches call him out on social media the next couple of weeks, or during warmups, and maybe he'll get pissed off and insist on playing, LOL.
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(12-05-2016 10:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:46 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 08:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(12-04-2016 08:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FYI, LSU just tweeted that LB Kendell Beckwith won't play in the Citrus Bowl due to a knee injury.

Beckwith is the heart/soul of LSU's defense, calls the defensive signals. With him they are very formidable, play like an oiled unit, without him, not nearly so much.

But, everyone moves on and they do have 4 weeks to prepare for your excellent offense.

Can you verify, a LSU fan came on our board and said Fournette is sitting out...I know Derrius Guice is a stud but would have like to see the defense face the challenge of Fournette...only way as a program you get better.

Fournette is officially "day to day" and no status for the Citrus has been announced.

I would be shocked if he plays. He's in the NFL draft in a few months, and there's no reason to risk further injuries.

While that's disappointing, you will face Guice, who as you said is himself pretty studly. He will be a challenge for your defense, but then again you already faced Dalvin Cook and you stifled him pretty good.

Oh Guice is a beast in his own right..him and Fournette gives LSU the most talented backfield in the nation. Thanks for the clarification

FWIW, before the game vs Florida, the coaches had ruled Fournette out, but then he got into a scrape with some Florida players and coaches on the field during warmups, got really pissed off and insisted the coaches let him suit up. He was obviously hobbled when he did play a few downs, further aggravating his injury (dumb).

Personally, I thought this incident was going to cost Orgeron any chance at the LSU job. You don't have control of your team if you rule a player out and then let him force his way in because he has a fit before the game. But oh well.

So if Louisville really wants him to play, just have some of your guys or coaches call him out on social media the next couple of weeks, or during warmups, and maybe he'll get pissed off and insist on playing, LOL.

With our immature team they would do just that with Fournette...LMBO....they already got into a Twitter war with LSU alum Booger McFarland on Gameday when we played Houston.
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(12-05-2016 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC has great opponents- to me best by far in the G5...
They have 4 teams playing G5 division/league champions(or co-champs in Sun Belt).
Memphis vs Western Kentucky
Navy vs La Tech
Houston vs San Diego St
UCF vs Arkansas St

then with their other teams- they get Temple vs Wake Forest, USF vs South Carolina- so 2 P5 games, and then Tulsa gets Central Michigan. So if the AAC goes 7-0, it's going to really mean something.

Well, how many bowl games against the CFP top 25 do we have? I count zero. And there's also no getting around the fact that bowl season reminds us of how non-Power we really are. Of our 7 bowl games, 5 are against other G5, and two are against the very dregs of the P5.

Four of the AAC bowl games are played the first weekend of bowl season, which reeks "small time", with only Navy and USF playing after Christmas, and both are done by December 29, when "big boy" bowl season really kicks in.

How does it come about that the conference champion plays against one of the weakest teams in the ACC? I understand why Wake is there - the Military Bowl is one of the ACC's second tier bowls. But Temple couldn't have picked a tougher opponent? Winning that game will be meaningless for the AAC.

Let's look at the Massey and Sagarin ranks for all 7 opponents (Sagarin's are usually higher because they include FCS teams):

Western Kentucky........32/36
San Diego State..........44/55
Louisiana Tech.............62/75
South Carolina.............69/85
Arkansas State............74/78
Wake Forest................75/81
Central Michigan..........86/109

The AAC can't earn any respect no matter how well they perform this bowl season.
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RE: LIVE: 2016-17 Bowl Selection Thread
(12-05-2016 10:39 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC has great opponents- to me best by far in the G5...
They have 4 teams playing G5 division/league champions(or co-champs in Sun Belt).
Memphis vs Western Kentucky
Navy vs La Tech
Houston vs San Diego St
UCF vs Arkansas St

then with their other teams- they get Temple vs Wake Forest, USF vs South Carolina- so 2 P5 games, and then Tulsa gets Central Michigan. So if the AAC goes 7-0, it's going to really mean something.

Well, how many bowl games against the CFP top 25 do we have? I count zero. And there's also no getting around the fact that bowl season reminds us of how non-Power we really are. Of our 7 bowl games, 5 are against other G5, and two are against the very dregs of the P5.

Four of the AAC bowl games are played the first weekend of bowl season, which reeks "small time", with only Navy and USF playing after Christmas, and both are done by December 29, when "big boy" bowl season really kicks in.

How does it come about that the conference champion plays against one of the weakest teams in the ACC? I understand why Wake is there - the Military Bowl is one of the ACC's second tier bowls. But Temple couldn't have picked a tougher opponent? Winning that game will be meaningless for the AAC.

Let's look at the Massey and Sagarin ranks for all 7 opponents (Sagarin's are usually higher because they include FCS teams):

Western Kentucky........32/36
San Diego State..........44/55
Louisiana Tech.............62/75
South Carolina.............69/85
Arkansas State............74/78
Wake Forest................75/81
Central Michigan..........86/109

The AAC can't earn any respect no matter how well they perform this bowl season.

They can further separate themselves from the rest of the G5 though. playing 4 division or conference champions from the g5. If they go 4-0 vs Western Kentucky, San Diego St, La Tech, and Arkansas St- that would be pretty big.

Also, if Temple, Navy, USF, and Houston win, at least 3 should finish the season in the final top 25. The rest of the G5 would have all of 1.
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(12-05-2016 10:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 10:39 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC has great opponents- to me best by far in the G5...
They have 4 teams playing G5 division/league champions(or co-champs in Sun Belt).
Memphis vs Western Kentucky
Navy vs La Tech
Houston vs San Diego St
UCF vs Arkansas St

then with their other teams- they get Temple vs Wake Forest, USF vs South Carolina- so 2 P5 games, and then Tulsa gets Central Michigan. So if the AAC goes 7-0, it's going to really mean something.

Well, how many bowl games against the CFP top 25 do we have? I count zero. And there's also no getting around the fact that bowl season reminds us of how non-Power we really are. Of our 7 bowl games, 5 are against other G5, and two are against the very dregs of the P5.

Four of the AAC bowl games are played the first weekend of bowl season, which reeks "small time", with only Navy and USF playing after Christmas, and both are done by December 29, when "big boy" bowl season really kicks in.

How does it come about that the conference champion plays against one of the weakest teams in the ACC? I understand why Wake is there - the Military Bowl is one of the ACC's second tier bowls. But Temple couldn't have picked a tougher opponent? Winning that game will be meaningless for the AAC.

Let's look at the Massey and Sagarin ranks for all 7 opponents (Sagarin's are usually higher because they include FCS teams):

Western Kentucky........32/36
San Diego State..........44/55
Louisiana Tech.............62/75
South Carolina.............69/85
Arkansas State............74/78
Wake Forest................75/81
Central Michigan..........86/109

The AAC can't earn any respect no matter how well they perform this bowl season.

They can further separate themselves from the rest of the G5 though. playing 4 division or conference champions from the g5. If they go 4-0 vs Western Kentucky, San Diego St, La Tech, and Arkansas St- that would be pretty big.

Also, if Temple, Navy, USF, and Houston win, at least 3 should finish the season in the final top 25. The rest of the G5 would have all of 1.

I think the AAC aspires to be more than just the tallest midget, though. Nobody needs them to prove they were the strongest G5 conference this year
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If all of them win though, they could have as many as Big 12. If not 1 more if all 4 got in the top 25. The more the AAC though can marginalize the rest of the G5, the more situations like we almost saw with Navy will happen.
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(12-05-2016 10:39 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC has great opponents- to me best by far in the G5...
They have 4 teams playing G5 division/league champions(or co-champs in Sun Belt).
Memphis vs Western Kentucky
Navy vs La Tech
Houston vs San Diego St
UCF vs Arkansas St

then with their other teams- they get Temple vs Wake Forest, USF vs South Carolina- so 2 P5 games, and then Tulsa gets Central Michigan. So if the AAC goes 7-0, it's going to really mean something.

Well, how many bowl games against the CFP top 25 do we have? I count zero. And there's also no getting around the fact that bowl season reminds us of how non-Power we really are. Of our 7 bowl games, 5 are against other G5, and two are against the very dregs of the P5.

Four of the AAC bowl games are played the first weekend of bowl season, which reeks "small time", with only Navy and USF playing after Christmas, and both are done by December 29, when "big boy" bowl season really kicks in.

How does it come about that the conference champion plays against one of the weakest teams in the ACC? I understand why Wake is there - the Military Bowl is one of the ACC's second tier bowls. But Temple couldn't have picked a tougher opponent? Winning that game will be meaningless for the AAC.

Let's look at the Massey and Sagarin ranks for all 7 opponents (Sagarin's are usually higher because they include FCS teams):

Western Kentucky........32/36
San Diego State..........44/55
Louisiana Tech.............62/75
South Carolina.............69/85
Arkansas State............74/78
Wake Forest................75/81
Central Michigan..........86/109

The AAC can't earn any respect no matter how well they perform this bowl season.

The reason is, in the view of the AAC, striving to be regarded as a Power, it is "more prestigious" to play any P5, no matter how bad, then to play any G5. So with Navy's special tie-ins to the various Military-type bowls taking them off the table, the top two AAC finishers were Temple and then USF.

Using that logic, the best bowl opponents are, by definition, Wake and South Carolina, so USF and Temple get to play them. And logistically, it makes more sense for USF to play in the Birmingham Rust Bowl and Temple to make the short trip back to Annapolis for the Military Bowl.

Never mind that two of the G5 teams, SDSU and WKU, are clearly better than Wake and SC, the latter are all-important P5 !!!
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RE: LIVE: 2016-17 Bowl Selection Thread
(12-05-2016 10:39 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-05-2016 09:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC has great opponents- to me best by far in the G5...
They have 4 teams playing G5 division/league champions(or co-champs in Sun Belt).
Memphis vs Western Kentucky
Navy vs La Tech
Houston vs San Diego St
UCF vs Arkansas St

then with their other teams- they get Temple vs Wake Forest, USF vs South Carolina- so 2 P5 games, and then Tulsa gets Central Michigan. So if the AAC goes 7-0, it's going to really mean something.

Well, how many bowl games against the CFP top 25 do we have? I count zero. And there's also no getting around the fact that bowl season reminds us of how non-Power we really are. Of our 7 bowl games, 5 are against other G5, and two are against the very dregs of the P5.

Four of the AAC bowl games are played the first weekend of bowl season, which reeks "small time", with only Navy and USF playing after Christmas, and both are done by December 29, when "big boy" bowl season really kicks in.

How does it come about that the conference champion plays against one of the weakest teams in the ACC? I understand why Wake is there - the Military Bowl is one of the ACC's second tier bowls. But Temple couldn't have picked a tougher opponent? Winning that game will be meaningless for the AAC.

Let's look at the Massey and Sagarin ranks for all 7 opponents (Sagarin's are usually higher because they include FCS teams):

Western Kentucky........32/36
San Diego State..........44/55
Louisiana Tech.............62/75
South Carolina.............69/85
Arkansas State............74/78
Wake Forest................75/81
Central Michigan..........86/109

The AAC can't earn any respect no matter how well they perform this bowl season.

Wasn't really Temple's choice. Their bowl options were pretty much Birmingham or Military. They could have gotten a better opponent than Wake, but NC State didn't want to play a G5 and preferred to be matched up against P5 power Vandy in Shreveport. I was hoping the Wolfpack wouldn't chose that option though I expected from the beginning they would. Also, my understanding is that Wake lobbied the Military pretty hard and the committee knew that NC State didn't want to be in Annapolis which meant they went with Wake.

The important thing for Temple is to just keep winning. If Temple beats Wake the media spiel on Temple will be: won a program record 11 games, conference champion, won a bowl game against a P5 school. That sounds pretty good to me.
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I'm glad for Temple, and this was a huge accomplishment for them. It's a great venue for them to play (again). That's an easy drive and a good location for Philly people to make.

I'm guarded about them keeping their coach. For him, it's an access bowl at this program and that's about his ceiling. I think he's waiting on the chance Franklin decides he's done enough at Penn State, so that might keep him around there a bit more. From where he's at, it's a good location to compete against Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland for recruiting. If people like going to school in the city, that is. He's a product of the Paterno era...a State College product himself...he knows the territory. At the very least, I hope he's around for Temple for the bowl.
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