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RE: Conferences/Bowls Have New Plan To Address Navy Bowl Delay Issue
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(12-02-2016 07:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The G5 Access runner up last year got a similarly low bowl. So it's not an extraordinary punishment by any means.

Last year, the next 2 highest ranked G5 teams in the final CFP rankings were Navy and Temple---both AAC schools. Navy played an 8-5 P5 (Pitt) in the Military Bowl and Temple played a 10-2 G5 (Toledo) in Boca Raton. Yes, the runner ups didnt get prestigious bowls, but both got pretty solid opponents. WKU, LaTech, S Miss (etc) would all be much more interesting CUSA alternative opponents for WMU. No offense to N Texas, but---come on----WMU vs N Texas is not likely to be much of game. Im surprised the MAC signed on to this.

You do realize that North Texas beat Southern Miss this season?

I'm just happy North Texas got a respectable bowl so close to home. We will bring a big crowd to this game. Last year Washington and Southern Miss only drew a little bit more then 20,000 to the HOD.

But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas
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RE: Conferences/Bowls Have New Plan To Address Navy Bowl Delay Issue
(12-03-2016 10:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 10:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  What do MAC tears taste like? This board might drown when Navy is selected for the Cotton.

In my case, i could care less about the MAC. I like WMU as a neat Cinderella story but with Navy I have far more family (several family served in the Navy) and geographic ties ( I grew up 10 miles from the Naval Academy). Also, if Navy gets the bid, it will be a nice feather knowing USF beat the Cotton Bowl rep. I went to the Military Bowl last year and cheered Navy to victory over Pitt, and if somehow WMU and Navy played, I'd be rooting hard for Navy.

My objection to Navy is theoretical, based on how "merit" should be defined. WMU just has the better resume. That's why everyone outside of the CFP - the AP poll, the Coaches poll, the old BCS simulation, the Massey composite, Sagarin - have WMU decisively ahead of Navy. It really burned me up when I found out the reason for the CFP's stupidity - an inane definition of SOS that has Navy at #37, way ahead of a team like Houston, who they have at #80 SOS, even though Houston played Oklahoma and Louisville while Navy's best OOC team was the 5th place MWC finisher (who they lost to). That is what Navy is apparently benefiting from, a definition of SOS so simplistic and dumb that nobody else in the world would dream of using it, except for the CFP.

And that's just wrong. 07-coffee3

What is their SOS definition? Hard to figure how Houston (who plays in the same division and the same conference as Navy) could be that far behind when Houston played 2 top 5 opponents in OOC. Yet they have Navy's SOS at 37 and Houstons far behind at 80? That defies common sense.
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RE: Conferences/Bowls Have New Plan To Address Navy Bowl Delay Issue
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The G5 Access runner up last year got a similarly low bowl. So it's not an extraordinary punishment by any means.

Last year, the next 2 highest ranked G5 teams in the final CFP rankings were Navy and Temple---both AAC schools. Navy played an 8-5 P5 (Pitt) in the Military Bowl and Temple played a 10-2 G5 (Toledo) in Boca Raton. Yes, the runner ups didnt get prestigious bowls, but both got pretty solid opponents. WKU, LaTech, S Miss (etc) would all be much more interesting CUSA alternative opponents for WMU. No offense to N Texas, but---come on----WMU vs N Texas is not likely to be much of game. Im surprised the MAC signed on to this.

You do realize that North Texas beat Southern Miss this season?

I'm just happy North Texas got a respectable bowl so close to home. We will bring a big crowd to this game. Last year Washington and Southern Miss only drew a little bit more then 20,000 to the HOD.

But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

I think North Texas's chance to prove itself against Western Michigan has come and gone.
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RE: Conferences/Bowls Have New Plan To Address Navy Bowl Delay Issue
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RE: Conferences/Bowls Have New Plan To Address Navy Bowl Delay Issue
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The G5 Access runner up last year got a similarly low bowl. So it's not an extraordinary punishment by any means.

Last year, the next 2 highest ranked G5 teams in the final CFP rankings were Navy and Temple---both AAC schools. Navy played an 8-5 P5 (Pitt) in the Military Bowl and Temple played a 10-2 G5 (Toledo) in Boca Raton. Yes, the runner ups didnt get prestigious bowls, but both got pretty solid opponents. WKU, LaTech, S Miss (etc) would all be much more interesting CUSA alternative opponents for WMU. No offense to N Texas, but---come on----WMU vs N Texas is not likely to be much of game. Im surprised the MAC signed on to this.

You do realize that North Texas beat Southern Miss this season?

I'm just happy North Texas got a respectable bowl so close to home. We will bring a big crowd to this game. Last year Washington and Southern Miss only drew a little bit more then 20,000 to the HOD.

But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

For what it's worth, with the way games have panned out today, it looks like North Texas will get a rematch with Army, a team we have beaten this season. I like that.
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RE: Conferences/Bowls Have New Plan To Address Navy Bowl Delay Issue
(12-03-2016 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Last year, the next 2 highest ranked G5 teams in the final CFP rankings were Navy and Temple---both AAC schools. Navy played an 8-5 P5 (Pitt) in the Military Bowl and Temple played a 10-2 G5 (Toledo) in Boca Raton. Yes, the runner ups didnt get prestigious bowls, but both got pretty solid opponents. WKU, LaTech, S Miss (etc) would all be much more interesting CUSA alternative opponents for WMU. No offense to N Texas, but---come on----WMU vs N Texas is not likely to be much of game. Im surprised the MAC signed on to this.

You do realize that North Texas beat Southern Miss this season?

I'm just happy North Texas got a respectable bowl so close to home. We will bring a big crowd to this game. Last year Washington and Southern Miss only drew a little bit more then 20,000 to the HOD.

But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

For what it's worth, with the way games have panned out today, it looks like North Texas will get a rematch with Army, a team we have beaten this season. I like that.

They paired us together because we are spoilers. Had to protect the other schools. 04-cheers
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(12-03-2016 10:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  What do MAC tears taste like? This board might drown when Navy is selected for the Cotton.

I guess we will never know.... 04-cheers
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(12-03-2016 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Last year, the next 2 highest ranked G5 teams in the final CFP rankings were Navy and Temple---both AAC schools. Navy played an 8-5 P5 (Pitt) in the Military Bowl and Temple played a 10-2 G5 (Toledo) in Boca Raton. Yes, the runner ups didnt get prestigious bowls, but both got pretty solid opponents. WKU, LaTech, S Miss (etc) would all be much more interesting CUSA alternative opponents for WMU. No offense to N Texas, but---come on----WMU vs N Texas is not likely to be much of game. Im surprised the MAC signed on to this.

You do realize that North Texas beat Southern Miss this season?

I'm just happy North Texas got a respectable bowl so close to home. We will bring a big crowd to this game. Last year Washington and Southern Miss only drew a little bit more then 20,000 to the HOD.

But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

No, it's not your fault. The games should just be canceled as pointless. I mean, you guys were actually 4-7 against FBS competition.

I like lots of bowls, but looks like we finally have too many.
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RE: Conferences/Bowls Have New Plan To Address Navy Bowl Delay Issue
(12-03-2016 04:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You do realize that North Texas beat Southern Miss this season?

I'm just happy North Texas got a respectable bowl so close to home. We will bring a big crowd to this game. Last year Washington and Southern Miss only drew a little bit more then 20,000 to the HOD.

But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

No, it's not your fault. The games should just be canceled as pointless. I mean, you guys were actually 4-7 against FBS competition.

I like lots of bowls, but looks like we finally have too many.

I want to see the historic Cotton Bowl stadium, so no!
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(12-03-2016 04:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You do realize that North Texas beat Southern Miss this season?

I'm just happy North Texas got a respectable bowl so close to home. We will bring a big crowd to this game. Last year Washington and Southern Miss only drew a little bit more then 20,000 to the HOD.

But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

No, it's not your fault. The games should just be canceled as pointless. I mean, you guys were actually 4-7 against FBS competition.

I like lots of bowls, but looks like we finally have too many.

I agree, there are too many bowl games, but some of them won't go away as long as they continue to make money. And, that is what this all boils down to.

Given the options on the table, apparently the HOD determined that a North Texas/Army rematch will be the most lucrative. North Texas would brings fans to this bowl. Army has a national following. It makes financial sense.
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(12-03-2016 04:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 08:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  But should a 5-7 team be in a bowl game? 01-wingedeagle

Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

No, it's not your fault. The games should just be canceled as pointless. I mean, you guys were actually 4-7 against FBS competition.

I like lots of bowls, but looks like we finally have too many.

I want to see the historic Cotton Bowl stadium, so no!

It's funny. WMU will play in the Cotton Bowl, but never see the Cotton Bowl. You guys are playing in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, and will play in the Cotton Bowl.

FWIW, I was in Dallas last month and drove by the Cotton Bowl. It is in the heart of Dallas, great location.
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(12-03-2016 04:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Nope. And they certainly shouldn't be playing an undefeated conference champ.. they should be playing a random 6-6 team in the Bahamas

We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

No, it's not your fault. The games should just be canceled as pointless. I mean, you guys were actually 4-7 against FBS competition.

I like lots of bowls, but looks like we finally have too many.

I want to see the historic Cotton Bowl stadium, so no!

It's funny. WMU will play in the Cotton Bowl, but never see the Cotton Bowl. You guys are playing in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, and will play in the Cotton Bowl.

FWIW, I was in Dallas last month and drove by the Cotton Bowl. It is in the heart of Dallas, great location.

A great symbol of College Football.

The game should never have moved. I know it made sense financially but all the history left behind is tragic.
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(12-03-2016 05:49 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  We didn't win 6 games, so even that bowl seems to be more then we earned on the field, but other conferences couldn't fill their bowl obligations. That isn't our fault.

No, it's not your fault. The games should just be canceled as pointless. I mean, you guys were actually 4-7 against FBS competition.

I like lots of bowls, but looks like we finally have too many.

I want to see the historic Cotton Bowl stadium, so no!

It's funny. WMU will play in the Cotton Bowl, but never see the Cotton Bowl. You guys are playing in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, and will play in the Cotton Bowl.

FWIW, I was in Dallas last month and drove by the Cotton Bowl. It is in the heart of Dallas, great location.

A great symbol of College Football.

The game should never have moved. I know it made sense financially but all the history left behind is tragic.

Yes, the outside facade and whole structure is iconic. So much more aesthetically pleasing than Jerry's spaceship.
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(12-03-2016 04:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's funny. WMU will play in the Cotton Bowl, but never see the Cotton Bowl. You guys are playing in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, and will play in the Cotton Bowl.

FWIW, I was in Dallas last month and drove by the Cotton Bowl. It is in the heart of Dallas, great location.

"Great location" is very subjective. I bet you think the LA Coliseum is in a great location.
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(12-03-2016 10:57 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's funny. WMU will play in the Cotton Bowl, but never see the Cotton Bowl. You guys are playing in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, and will play in the Cotton Bowl.

FWIW, I was in Dallas last month and drove by the Cotton Bowl. It is in the heart of Dallas, great location.

"Great location" is very subjective. I bet you think the LA Coliseum is in a great location.

The LAC? Yes and No. Yes, in that it is across the street from the beautiful USC campus. No in that everything else around it is pretty rough. And also "no" in that it is pretty far south of downtown LA.

The Cotton Bowl, otoh, really is in the heart of Dallas.
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(12-03-2016 05:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 05:49 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 04:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  No, it's not your fault. The games should just be canceled as pointless. I mean, you guys were actually 4-7 against FBS competition.

I like lots of bowls, but looks like we finally have too many.

I want to see the historic Cotton Bowl stadium, so no!

It's funny. WMU will play in the Cotton Bowl, but never see the Cotton Bowl. You guys are playing in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, and will play in the Cotton Bowl.

FWIW, I was in Dallas last month and drove by the Cotton Bowl. It is in the heart of Dallas, great location.

A great symbol of College Football.

The game should never have moved. I know it made sense financially but all the history left behind is tragic.

Yes, the outside facade and whole structure is iconic. So much more aesthetically pleasing than Jerry's spaceship.

I miss that stadium hosting top bowl games.

I also love its natural grass.
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(12-03-2016 11:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The LAC? Yes and No. Yes, in that it is across the street from the beautiful USC campus. No in that everything else around it is pretty rough. And also "no" in that it is pretty far south of downtown LA.

The Cotton Bowl, otoh, really is in the heart of Dallas.

And the heart of the ghetto (not necessarily but you get the idea).


And who cares about Downtown LA, it's not centralized at all.
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