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Bold Prediction: UNT to Armed Forces or HOD
The North Texas athletic department has issued a statement announcing that our ticket office will be open immediately after our bowl announcement is made. They also stated that they will have additional staff on hand and extended hours in order to accommodate demand.

I just can't see the need for these extra accommodations unless we were headed to a regional bowl game. It is just my opinion but I think our 30K+ fan support back in the 2014 HOD might be paying off for us.

Fire away.

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RE: Bold Prediction: UNT to Armed Forces or HOD
Outside of backroom deal shenanigans, Armed Forces Bowl is by far the more likely of the two imo. Unless Tech gets some kind of deal for a better bowl outside of the C-USA bowls (which I don't see happening), UNT will not go to HOD. Armed Forces, though, should be open when UNT gets to make its pick.
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RE: Bold Prediction: UNT to Armed Forces or HOD
(12-01-2016 11:04 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Outside of backroom deal shenanigans, Armed Forces Bowl is by far the more likely of the two imo. Unless Tech gets some kind of deal for a better bowl outside of the C-USA bowls (which I don't see happening), UNT will not go to HOD. Armed Forces, though, should be open when UNT gets to make its pick.

If LA Tech wins the championship, then I agree. The champ is supposed to have preference in picking their bowl. If WKU wins, they could choose Boca, or another eastern based C-USA bowl, and that could open the door too. There is always horsetrading for bowls, and I'm sure this season will be no different. I could certainly see another C-USA team willing to take a Vegas Bowl and place North Texas in the HOD. Having said that, the path to the Armed Forces Bowl is much less murky, and that is why I listed it first.
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RE: Bold Prediction: UNT to Armed Forces or HOD
The problem with that is that there are 6 tie ins and seven qualifying teams. WKU, ODU, TECH, MIDDLE, USM, AND UTSA will all be placed before UNT. Barring one of those teams getting a secondary option presented to them, then that takes out all of the CUSA bowls, so HoD is out of the question unless one of the other schools goes to a non tie in bowl, and the HoD bowl spot wasn't traded for that. It's not impossible, but it's highly unlikely. My guess for UNT would be armed forces or an obtuse bowl for a conference that couldn't fill their spots.

I'm not meaning to make light of UNTs season or turnaround, just interjecting notes to not get your hopes too set on HoD. Good luck wherever yall end up and go get the W.
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RE: Bold Prediction: UNT to Armed Forces or HOD
(12-01-2016 11:04 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Outside of backroom deal shenanigans, Armed Forces Bowl is by far the more likely of the two imo. Unless Tech gets some kind of deal for a better bowl outside of the C-USA bowls (which I don't see happening), UNT will not go to HOD. Armed Forces, though, should be open when UNT gets to make its pick.

I have not paid close enough attention to know where the SEC and ACC stands in terms of bowls, but is there a chance that one of them does not have enough teams and LaTech could be matched up with a P5 in the Independence bowl? Or has that bridge been burned?

If the B1G or Big 12 cannot send a team to the HOD, I think LaTech would be better served by looking at options that provide a better named opponent somewhere else. Playing against Navy in the Armed Forces Bowl might be a better matchup than whatever the HOD may be able to get for an opponent.
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0% chance 5-7 NT goes to AF. If by some miracle they pull off a Trumpesk coup, lord help us. Navy would drop 100 on them. Tech would be a more competitive and attractive Bowl partner.

. What is NT avg. attendance this year? The whole...we sent 20k 5 years ago hold little water. Attendance across the country is on a downslope. NT is no ECU.
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(12-02-2016 12:52 AM)SApuro Wrote:  0% chance 5-7 NT goes to AF. If by some miracle they pull off a Trumpesk coup, lord help us. Navy would drop 100 on them. Tech would be a more competitive and attractive Bowl partner.

. What is NT avg. attendance this year? The whole...we sent 20k 5 years ago hold little water. Attendance across the country is on a downslope. NT is no ECU.

We sent 30K two years ago.
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I think many of our fellow CUSA schools could send 30-40k to a bowl game in their own backyard. If MT was in Nashville we almost certainly would. It makes complete sense from a competitive standpoint to place regional teams in nearby bowls and from a financial since you'll have a lot more ticket sales even if a team is having a down year.
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RE: Bold Prediction: UNT to Armed Forces or HOD
(12-02-2016 12:20 AM)CurveItAround Wrote:  
(12-01-2016 11:04 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Outside of backroom deal shenanigans, Armed Forces Bowl is by far the more likely of the two imo. Unless Tech gets some kind of deal for a better bowl outside of the C-USA bowls (which I don't see happening), UNT will not go to HOD. Armed Forces, though, should be open when UNT gets to make its pick.

I have not paid close enough attention to know where the SEC and ACC stands in terms of bowls, but is there a chance that one of them does not have enough teams and LaTech could be matched up with a P5 in the Independence bowl? Or has that bridge been burned?

If the B1G or Big 12 cannot send a team to the HOD, I think LaTech would be better served by looking at options that provide a better named opponent somewhere else. Playing against Navy in the Armed Forces Bowl might be a better matchup than whatever the HOD may be able to get for an opponent.

When I look at it, I see the B1G in the Cotton Bowl and the Orange Bowl. If that happens, both the SEC and ACC will be able to fill the I-Bowl but the B1G won't have a team in Heart of Dallas. Both bad.

If, somehow, the SEC can take the B1G's Orange Bowl spot, and/or if the SEC/ACC can grab the Cotton Bowl, then the I-Bowl could open up for C-USA and the B1G should have a team in the Heart of Dallas Bowl.

If the B1G doesn't grab the HOD, then I think either Army or Texas will end up there. I'm not just making these teams up, I actually ran through the process and that's what I found left. UNT and Mississippi State get to pick before Texas, but UNT won't play another C-USA team and we're playing State next year anyway. La Tech vs Texas could be a reality (and as a Tech fan who also cheers for Texas A&M on the side, I would love to see Tech BTHOtu).

Otherwise, finding a way to the Armed Forces Bowl vs Navy might be the more attractive option, although I don't think we'd win that game and I'd rather win tbh.
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Im pretty sure Texas will decline a bowl invite. They dont even have a full staff on campus yet. According to local radio here in Austin, Tom Herman will not even hire his coordinators until the dead period begins. They are in no position to play a game.

EDIT: And their best player has already declared for the NFL Draft
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RE: Bold Prediction: UNT to Armed Forces or HOD
(12-02-2016 12:52 AM)SApuro Wrote:  0% chance 5-7 NT goes to AF. If by some miracle they pull off a Trumpesk coup, lord help us. Navy would drop 100 on them. Tech would be a more competitive and attractive Bowl partner.

. What is NT avg. attendance this year? The whole...we sent 20k 5 years ago hold little water. Attendance across the country is on a downslope. NT is no ECU.

After all bowl eligible teams are slotted, the Armed Forces Bowl will have an open spot and UNT gets first pick (Army would be slotted first, but they're not gonna play Navy again). UNT would almost certainly choose Armed Forces if they could.

Armed Forces doesn't have a contract with C-USA. It would take a backroom deal to get Tech there, and I don't see what that could be. Armed Forces won't have a team to send to HOD in Tech's place so HOD would be left with no bowl eligible teams. You'd end up with 5-7 UNT vs either 5-7 Mississippi State or 5-7 Texas. I don't think 5-7 vs 5-7 is going to happen, so Tech will probably stay with HOD because the deal won't happen. Sending Tech to Armed Forces would benefit that game, but at the expense of the HOD (although UNT vs Texas, even with both at 5-7, I'm sure would bring a crowd).
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(12-02-2016 12:20 AM)CurveItAround Wrote:  
(12-01-2016 11:04 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Outside of backroom deal shenanigans, Armed Forces Bowl is by far the more likely of the two imo. Unless Tech gets some kind of deal for a better bowl outside of the C-USA bowls (which I don't see happening), UNT will not go to HOD. Armed Forces, though, should be open when UNT gets to make its pick.

I have not paid close enough attention to know where the SEC and ACC stands in terms of bowls, but is there a chance that one of them does not have enough teams and LaTech could be matched up with a P5 in the Independence bowl? Or has that bridge been burned?

The Sports Company on ESPN 97.7 in Ruston asked a member of the Independence Bowl (Stefan something) yesterday afternoon about the possibility of Louisiana Tech going to the Independence Bowl this year. Stefan pretty much poo-pooed the idea by saying there are enough teams from the primary conferences for the I-Bowl to pick.

I wouldn't say the bridge is burned regarding Tech ever going to the I-Bowl, but the I-Bowl leadership would rather have the 12th team from the SEC at their bowl game, because SEC!
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Nobody wants the Armed Forces Bowl. UNT can have that. That was a complete crap show. Terrible bowl game. Worst bowl we've ever been too.
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(12-02-2016 09:49 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  Nobody wants the Armed Forces Bowl. UNT can have that. That was a complete crap show. Terrible bowl game. Worst bowl we've ever been too.

Really? I went to the Armed Forces Bowl as an Air Force fan last year and thought it was well put together.
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(12-02-2016 10:00 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 09:49 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  Nobody wants the Armed Forces Bowl. UNT can have that. That was a complete crap show. Terrible bowl game. Worst bowl we've ever been too.

Really? I went to the Armed Forces Bowl as an Air Force fan last year and thought it was well put together.

so your a fan of Tech, A&M, & Air Force?
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Seriously doubt a 5-7 NT would be slotted against a potential 11-2 top 15 Navy. I know NT is supposed to have some type of pick here, but there will be backroom dealing to make sure a top 15-20 team does not play against a 5-7 G5 team. Just won't happen. Sorry. Now if Navy makes Cotton and a lesser opponent is in there, then it's more likely.
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(12-02-2016 12:14 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Seriously doubt a 5-7 NT would be slotted against a potential 11-2 top 15 Navy. I know NT is supposed to have some type of pick here, but there will be backroom dealing to make sure a top 15-20 team does not play against a 5-7 G5 team. Just won't happen. Sorry. Now if Navy makes Cotton and a lesser opponent is in there, then it's more likely.

Well let me ask you this. Would they rather one bowl with two good teams and one bowl with bad teams, or would they rather have a good team in each bowl.
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(12-02-2016 01:30 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 12:14 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Seriously doubt a 5-7 NT would be slotted against a potential 11-2 top 15 Navy. I know NT is supposed to have some type of pick here, but there will be backroom dealing to make sure a top 15-20 team does not play against a 5-7 G5 team. Just won't happen. Sorry. Now if Navy makes Cotton and a lesser opponent is in there, then it's more likely.

Well let me ask you this. Would they rather one bowl with two good teams and one bowl with bad teams, or would they rather have a good team in each bowl.

I think they'd like to reasonably match them up. I could definitely see a La Tech or WKU type team here in some type of bowl swapping. I think WKU would be a good opponent for Navy or WMU here (if Navy selected for Cotton). The powers that be, conferences, ESPN, and bowl honchos are not going to allow an 11-2 Navy to play a 5-7 UNT. Sorry, won't happen.
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My prediction for the HoD Bowl is that they will take one of the teams in the C-USA title game. If WKU wins and chooses Boca, the HoD then would pick LT. That's how I see it.
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(12-02-2016 03:09 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  My prediction for the HoD Bowl is that they will take one of the teams in the C-USA title game. If WKU wins and chooses Boca, the HoD then would pick LT. That's how I see it.

Tech's president has already stated Heart of Dallas is where Tech wants to go, so unless WKU wins and takes it, that's probably the destination.
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