(12-02-2016 12:13 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote: (12-01-2016 05:45 PM)sterling1man Wrote: Rod Carey has a record of 36-19. 1 MAC championship 2014, and two MAC West titles 2013,2015.
In 2016 we are 5-7, however lost in 3OT to Woming who beat a ranked Boise State, we lost to CMU in OT (a big improvement against a team that normally beats us, and beat #11 ranked Oklahoma State, maybe the best MAC team OOC win since 2003 season.)
Rod Carey's record of 36-19 is second best NIU FB coaches record behind Dave Doeren's 23-4.
Much better than
Doc ulrick( 6-14) ; Jerry Ippoliti (25-29-1); Pat Culpepper ( 14-29-1);
Bill Mallory ( 25-19) ; Lee Corso (4-6-1) ; Jerry Pettibone ( 35-32-1) ; Charley Sadler (18-37)
Legendary Coach Joe Novak,
Jerry Kill 24-16
and PJ Flecks WMU 29-21 record.
OK he does not have the magnetic charm, energy, fundraising ability , salesmanship and recruiting power of PJ Fleck, These are the qualities we need in a coach to energize our fanbase and spur recruiting
but for $400 000 a year we at NIU are receiving excellent value for money.
If anyone has a plan to raise $4m a year to attract a coach like PJ go ahead
Realistically let's stick with Rod and find a top assistant coach who can recruit well. How about finding a head coach that can recruit well. Good god!
If we pay our assistant coaches market salaries we might attract a great recruiter like PJ.
Rod Carey has shown the ability to develop many players very well. He has? Who?
The lack of athletic talent makes NIU FB season very susceptible to injuries. The lack of athletic talent is on the head coach. Recruit better
If Rod Carey had a deeperline of talent his record would be better. If he doesn't have deep pipline of talent, it's because he can't recruit. LOL, this is your most comical comment of all
His presence gives NIU FB consistency and experience although I understand the disappointment and impatience many fans have .
What many fans might forget or choose not to remember is that Dave Doeren's incredible 23-4 record which landed him straight in the SEC, is very hard to replicate.
NIU has a magnificent FB history and the last 15 years have been incredible.
The 2010-2015 span was unbelievable.
Coach Carey has added to the NIU legacy and deserves a chance to continue. How can you say he's added to the legacy when the program has declined each season he's been at the helm?
Compared to 2007 NIU FB is on a high.
Compared to 1995, 1996, 1997,1998 NIU FB is on a super - High!
True compared to 2010-2015 NIU FB's performance has declined.
If one views NIU FB performance against 2010-2015 one would be very depressed.
I choose to view this years NIU FB teams performance versus NIU FB teams performance from 1995-1998, in 2003, 2012, 2013 and WMU's performance 4 years ago.
With this different frame of reference NIU FB might be viewed as in a temporary decline, yet it's the first time we have had a coach for over four years since Coach Joe Novak! I do see Coach consistency at NIU FB as a potential recruiting positive.
I am hopeful that in the short term, that barring injuries ,NIU FB Will rebound next year. Am grateful that Coach Rod Carey is happy with earning $400 000 base pay a year. Probably the lowest in the MAC and near the lowest in all of Div 1a NCAAF.
Next year it would be great to see him collect a bonus for OCC wins, possibly MAC West Champion and MACC and Most possibly a post season bowl.
He did lose to a Wyoming team in 3OT's that beat a ranked Boise State team and to a CMU team in OT that beat an 11th ranked Omlahoma State team this year.
These OOC losses are more respectable than several in the past 20 years.
CMU has quietly outplayed us In recent history. They broke the winning streak we had going in DeKalb, and despite dominating every other MAC West team in the past 6 years they have been the exception.
This year we came close to breaking the CMU spell.
Several potential key NIU FB players have developed and improved this year.
For these reasons I chose to be Pollyanna about next year.
Finally to have the deep pipeline of an Ohio State University team where you can win a National title on a third string QB is probably not realistic in the near future.
WMU has had three top MAC recruiting classes. Each year both the OFFEnsive side and defensive side ratings have improved greatly.
If an injury were to occur to one of WMU's key three players, I suspect they might collapse.
If two key players go down then expecting a si liar performance from them might be u realistic.
It takes along time to develop pipeline talent.
PJ has only maybe 15 players left who are seniors or red shirt seniors.
If he stays one more year at WMU and gets 4 full recruiting classes then you will probably see super progress.
(Remember he had a fraction of the year to recruit when he became head coach at WMU, yet the QB and one other key player evolved.The first year he had a bottom recruiting class in the MAC.)
Coach Novak only had that opportunity by 2000. 2001, 2002,2003 were years where we saw NIU FB progress interms of wins and losses gain tremendously.
I understand that Coach Carey does not have the same recruiting talent as Coach Novak and PJ Fleck might have, but NIU FB has historically done very well without the best recruiting classes.
Does anyone remember a time when NIU led the MAC for three straight years in recruiting?
If one had to hire Les Miles , presuming we do not low ball him like his alma Mara Michigan tried to
We might start to attract far better recruits.
Notre Dame's Charlie Weiss and Texas Coach Charlie Strong are amongst the many ," Charlie's" with incredible recruiting talent that never translated into the easily measurable on the field winning and losses improvement we fans like to see.
U.I. Has probably out recruited us in every class in the last 16 years yet we have arguably outperformed them in that same time period despite having maybe 2% of there resources.
I consider that an incredible achievement of NIU FB.
Realistically this does not occur long term, more money, better name brand and lastly much better facilities is expected to translate into better win/loss results.
NIU FB has bucked this trend miraculously for a longtime.
The debate about landing a top assistant like Dave Doeren for two years might be a very unrealistic expectation.
If this was the realistic expectation, why do schools with far better resources and opportunities than NIU FB have trouble on the FB field relative to NIU FB?
Ideally one wants a top coach long term on the same team.
TCU, BOise State are two comparable programs that have experienced this luxury , but at a major financial cost.
Can we afford to pay a coach $4.5 million a year like TCU?
Garry Patterson has been there coach since well before the 2006 Post season Bowl game.
As we cannot at present or probably in the near future Afford to pay a coach a fair salary according to present market standards, we cannot as fans claim to be realistic when we expect this?
