(11-30-2016 02:59 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 02:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  There is reason, the AAC championship game which Navy is playing in this weekend. How would they play Temple and Army in the same day?

Very true!

Brings back to the point of: probably few people thought it would matter, as they didn't expect Navy to be competing for AAC title often if ever.

They weren't in a conference when the game was moved so no one saw this issue popping up.

It takes two teams to play a game. Why is no one complaining about Army? Shouldn't the subject be, "NO Special Navy/Army rule?" It's not like Navy somehow forced Army to move the date of the game. The answer is obvious.

If only someone had foreseen this problem a long time ago.


Oh wait, somebody did.
http://csnbbs.com/thread-725185-post-117...id11716731

Post #48

(11-30-2016 12:13 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:44 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  ome bowl sources believe the nightmare scenario actually would be Western Michigan losing the MAC title game and Navy winning the American. Then the committee likely would have to wait for the Navy-Army result, because it's unknown how far Navy would drop in the rankings after a loss to Army. They potentially could be passed by another Group of 5 champ, including San Diego State or Wyoming in the Mountain West or Western Kentucky in Conference USA.

"The bottom line is if the rankings are delayed, it would be a disaster to the bowl system," a bowl official said.

CF[/i]P committee could 'paralyze' bowl system with delayed Cotton Bowl bid http://es.pn/2fLALNF
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Why does the entire bowl system, schools, players, and fans have to suffer from some stupid Navy rule just because Navy DEMANDS to want to be special and play a game WAY past a reasonable time frame for bowl????

If Navy wants to be special and DEMAND to play Army after everybody else then they should have to be willing to accept they can be left behind!

I'd like to book flights and hotel to Miami's bowl game but might have to wait THREE days before game day to do so?? (Camellia Bowl Dec. 17 and committee may not decide until Dec. 14th per article) The other bowls will suffer in attendance and teams wont know their opponent to game plan and schools and fans pay extra for multiple bowls because Navy DEMANDS to be special and we OK'd a rule? No they need to accept that they wanted this and may get left out because of .

You shut your mouth and honor these teams. They are the best of us and never forget that. Some of these young men God forbid may not even be living a year from protecting us so your whiny behind can sit on the coach complaining about nothing truly important. Shhh!

Shut up with your high horse! That is coming from a U.S. Army Combat Veteran (me) . 1- they have not served in combat yet. 2. Most of them never will. 3. Be careful of who you might offend with your "they are holier than thou" redirect.

I have served this country in the post Vietnam era where people looked down on us that were in the military and I have served in the post Gulf War era were everyone praised us as heroes. It is nicer not being spit on, but we did not serve so that everyone would treat us special....ie how dare you be so unpatriotic and criticize Navy Football - BS!

FYI I am tired of people thanking me for my service. They are only saying because they they feel that they have to or people like you will berate them. True Veterans do not need nor want your thank yous. Instead, if you are sincere then ask them about their service. If they saw combat then it may take them about 10-15 years before they are okay talking about it. But when they are ready, they will tell you some incredible stories about what they did and saw.

Isn't navy committed to armed forces bowl if they don't get cotton? Doesn't espn own the armed forces bowl? Higher ranked goes to cotton, lower ranked to armed forces? Problem solved. To whom should I Bill my consulting fee?

(11-30-2016 08:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:13 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:44 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  ome bowl sources believe the nightmare scenario actually would be Western Michigan losing the MAC title game and Navy winning the American. Then the committee likely would have to wait for the Navy-Army result, because it's unknown how far Navy would drop in the rankings after a loss to Army. They potentially could be passed by another Group of 5 champ, including San Diego State or Wyoming in the Mountain West or Western Kentucky in Conference USA.

"The bottom line is if the rankings are delayed, it would be a disaster to the bowl system," a bowl official said.

CF[/i]P committee could 'paralyze' bowl system with delayed Cotton Bowl bid http://es.pn/2fLALNF
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Why does the entire bowl system, schools, players, and fans have to suffer from some stupid Navy rule just because Navy DEMANDS to want to be special and play a game WAY past a reasonable time frame for bowl????

If Navy wants to be special and DEMAND to play Army after everybody else then they should have to be willing to accept they can be left behind!

I'd like to book flights and hotel to Miami's bowl game but might have to wait THREE days before game day to do so?? (Camellia Bowl Dec. 17 and committee may not decide until Dec. 14th per article) The other bowls will suffer in attendance and teams wont know their opponent to game plan and schools and fans pay extra for multiple bowls because Navy DEMANDS to be special and we OK'd a rule? No they need to accept that they wanted this and may get left out because of .

You shut your mouth and honor these teams. They are the best of us and never forget that. Some of these young men God forbid may not even be living a year from protecting us so your whiny behind can sit on the coach complaining about nothing truly important. Shhh!

Shut up with your high horse! That is coming from a U.S. Army Combat Veteran (me) . 1- they have not served in combat yet. 2. Most of them never will. 3. Be careful of who you might offend with your "they are holier than thou" redirect.

I have served this country in the post Vietnam era where people looked down on us that were in the military and I have served in the post Gulf War era were everyone praised us as heroes. It is nicer not being spit on, but we did not serve so that everyone would treat us special....ie how dare you be so unpatriotic and criticize Navy Football - BS!

FYI I am tired of people thanking me for my service. They are only saying because they they feel that they have to or people like you will berate them. True Veterans do not need nor want your thank yous. Instead, if you are sincere then ask them about their service. If they saw combat then it may take them about 10-15 years before they are okay talking about it. But when they are ready, they will tell you some incredible stories about what they did and saw.

Validation? DENIED!!!!!!!

(11-30-2016 12:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  If the committee is still dithering between WMU and Navy, or someone else and Navy, after this Saturday's games, the solution is to tell Navy: If you want to remain in consideration for the access bowl spot, then any previous bowl tie you had is void immediately, and you have to agree that if you are not chosen for the access spot, you will take the bowl spot that would otherwise have been given to WMU (or whomever the other team in consideration happens to be).

That would allow all other bowl games to lock in their teams no later than Sunday. There would just be two bowl games, Cotton Bowl and one other, where one side of the game would be listed as "WMU or Navy" depending on the outcome of Army-Navy.

The solution is simple, but the CFP committee is too reactive and disorganized to make it happen.

The Memphis fan did bring up a good point earlier about the possibility of some of those Navy/Army players on the team possibly not being alive after they graduate from their respective academies. The Navy-Army game is an awesome tradition and really needs to stay where it is, and if either team qualifies for an access bowl, who are we to tell them that they can't take it when they really & truly have earned it?? The access bowl needs to approach the academies before their game, and ask if they are genuinely interested in playing in that access bowl. If yes, then tough cookies for whoever has to wait on them. But if no, then this helps out too.

Although none of my family attended any of the academies, a lot of my family has served in the armed forces and continues to serve in the armed forces and I'm very proud of that. I have had two grandfathers who served in the Army, my father and two of my uncles served in the Navy, and I have a cousin who serves in the Air Force with her husband, and I am very thankful & proud of all of them & their accomplishments .

(11-30-2016 08:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:13 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:44 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  ome bowl sources believe the nightmare scenario actually would be Western Michigan losing the MAC title game and Navy winning the American. Then the committee likely would have to wait for the Navy-Army result, because it's unknown how far Navy would drop in the rankings after a loss to Army. They potentially could be passed by another Group of 5 champ, including San Diego State or Wyoming in the Mountain West or Western Kentucky in Conference USA.

"The bottom line is if the rankings are delayed, it would be a disaster to the bowl system," a bowl official said.

CF[/i]P committee could 'paralyze' bowl system with delayed Cotton Bowl bid http://es.pn/2fLALNF
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Why does the entire bowl system, schools, players, and fans have to suffer from some stupid Navy rule just because Navy DEMANDS to want to be special and play a game WAY past a reasonable time frame for bowl????

If Navy wants to be special and DEMAND to play Army after everybody else then they should have to be willing to accept they can be left behind!

I'd like to book flights and hotel to Miami's bowl game but might have to wait THREE days before game day to do so?? (Camellia Bowl Dec. 17 and committee may not decide until Dec. 14th per article) The other bowls will suffer in attendance and teams wont know their opponent to game plan and schools and fans pay extra for multiple bowls because Navy DEMANDS to be special and we OK'd a rule? No they need to accept that they wanted this and may get left out because of .

You shut your mouth and honor these teams. They are the best of us and never forget that. Some of these young men God forbid may not even be living a year from protecting us so your whiny behind can sit on the coach complaining about nothing truly important. Shhh!

Shut up with your high horse! That is coming from a U.S. Army Combat Veteran (me) . 1- they have not served in combat yet. 2. Most of them never will. 3. Be careful of who you might offend with your "they are holier than thou" redirect.

I have served this country in the post Vietnam era where people looked down on us that were in the military and I have served in the post Gulf War era were everyone praised us as heroes. It is nicer not being spit on, but we did not serve so that everyone would treat us special....ie how dare you be so unpatriotic and criticize Navy Football - BS!

FYI I am tired of people thanking me for my service. They are only saying because they they feel that they have to or people like you will berate them. True Veterans do not need nor want your thank yous. Instead, if you are sincere then ask them about their service. If they saw combat then it may take them about 10-15 years before they are okay talking about it. But when they are ready, they will tell you some incredible stories about what they did and saw.

Wow, a Vietnam vet!! Awesome . Please tell me about your service in a pm. I'd love to hear about it!! My dad was a Vietnam veteran as well but he did not see combat in that war. My mom had a boyfriend in the Marines who did see conflict and unfortunately wound up committing suicide years later. My mom told me that her Marine boyfriend went crazy a lot back then. My dad did tell me that although he never seen combat, he talked to a lot of servicemen who did, and he said it was an experience he never forgot .

(11-30-2016 08:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:13 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:44 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  ome bowl sources believe the nightmare scenario actually would be Western Michigan losing the MAC title game and Navy winning the American. Then the committee likely would have to wait for the Navy-Army result, because it's unknown how far Navy would drop in the rankings after a loss to Army. They potentially could be passed by another Group of 5 champ, including San Diego State or Wyoming in the Mountain West or Western Kentucky in Conference USA.

"The bottom line is if the rankings are delayed, it would be a disaster to the bowl system," a bowl official said.

CF[/i]P committee could 'paralyze' bowl system with delayed Cotton Bowl bid http://es.pn/2fLALNF
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Why does the entire bowl system, schools, players, and fans have to suffer from some stupid Navy rule just because Navy DEMANDS to want to be special and play a game WAY past a reasonable time frame for bowl????

If Navy wants to be special and DEMAND to play Army after everybody else then they should have to be willing to accept they can be left behind!

I'd like to book flights and hotel to Miami's bowl game but might have to wait THREE days before game day to do so?? (Camellia Bowl Dec. 17 and committee may not decide until Dec. 14th per article) The other bowls will suffer in attendance and teams wont know their opponent to game plan and schools and fans pay extra for multiple bowls because Navy DEMANDS to be special and we OK'd a rule? No they need to accept that they wanted this and may get left out because of .

You shut your mouth and honor these teams. They are the best of us and never forget that. Some of these young men God forbid may not even be living a year from protecting us so your whiny behind can sit on the coach complaining about nothing truly important. Shhh!

Shut up with your high horse! That is coming from a U.S. Army Combat Veteran (me) . 1- they have not served in combat yet. 2. Most of them never will. 3. Be careful of who you might offend with your "they are holier than thou" redirect.

I have served this country in the post Vietnam era where people looked down on us that were in the military and I have served in the post Gulf War era were everyone praised us as heroes. It is nicer not being spit on, but we did not serve so that everyone would treat us special....ie how dare you be so unpatriotic and criticize Navy Football - BS!

FYI I am tired of people thanking me for my service. They are only saying because they they feel that they have to or people like you will berate them. True Veterans do not need nor want your thank yous. Instead, if you are sincere then ask them about their service. If they saw combat then it may take them about 10-15 years before they are okay talking about it. But when they are ready, they will tell you some incredible stories about what they did and saw.

I sat next to a Navy Captain at a parade two weeks ago. He was the guest of honor or something and they put him up on a little platform so he could see. About half the floats in the parade had someone on it who shouted "thank you for your service!" to him.

Most of the well-wishers seemed so insincere to me, and it went on for 90 minutes. I felt so bad for the guy - it was annoying enough to me and I wasn't even the target of their fake annoying cheers.

I don't know how you guys put up with it day-in and day-out.

Who is complaining about this? So dumb. Like everyone has said, just put Western Michigan in the Armed Forces Bowl or put Army or Air Force in the bowl and move Western Michigan accordingly. But if Western Michigan wins their title game this should be a moot point.

(11-30-2016 12:04 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  gotta love the butthurt from all the MAC fanboys.

Also, if WMU loses, even with a loss by Navy to Army, they would still be better than any of the other champions. San Diego St/Wyoming saw to that last weekend with their putrid performances.

I wouldn't call it butthurt, it's concern over a valid issue

We aren't advocating it for this year, just that something be done to help alleviate these types of issues in the future

But please, continue to spout words reminiscent of my adolescence like "butthurt" and such

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The tender sensibilities of the bowl prostitution ring are hardly "valid."

(11-30-2016 08:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:13 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:44 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  ome bowl sources believe the nightmare scenario actually would be Western Michigan losing the MAC title game and Navy winning the American. Then the committee likely would have to wait for the Navy-Army result, because it's unknown how far Navy would drop in the rankings after a loss to Army. They potentially could be passed by another Group of 5 champ, including San Diego State or Wyoming in the Mountain West or Western Kentucky in Conference USA.

"The bottom line is if the rankings are delayed, it would be a disaster to the bowl system," a bowl official said.

CF[/i]P committee could 'paralyze' bowl system with delayed Cotton Bowl bid http://es.pn/2fLALNF
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Why does the entire bowl system, schools, players, and fans have to suffer from some stupid Navy rule just because Navy DEMANDS to want to be special and play a game WAY past a reasonable time frame for bowl????

If Navy wants to be special and DEMAND to play Army after everybody else then they should have to be willing to accept they can be left behind!

I'd like to book flights and hotel to Miami's bowl game but might have to wait THREE days before game day to do so?? (Camellia Bowl Dec. 17 and committee may not decide until Dec. 14th per article) The other bowls will suffer in attendance and teams wont know their opponent to game plan and schools and fans pay extra for multiple bowls because Navy DEMANDS to be special and we OK'd a rule? No they need to accept that they wanted this and may get left out because of .

You shut your mouth and honor these teams. They are the best of us and never forget that. Some of these young men God forbid may not even be living a year from protecting us so your whiny behind can sit on the coach complaining about nothing truly important. Shhh!

Shut up with your high horse! That is coming from a U.S. Army Combat Veteran (me) . 1- they have not served in combat yet. 2. Most of them never will. 3. Be careful of who you might offend with your "they are holier than thou" redirect.

I have served this country in the post Vietnam era where people looked down on us that were in the military and I have served in the post Gulf War era were everyone praised us as heroes. It is nicer not being spit on, but we did not serve so that everyone would treat us special....ie how dare you be so unpatriotic and criticize Navy Football - BS!

FYI I am tired of people thanking me for my service. They are only saying because they they feel that they have to or people like you will berate them. True Veterans do not need nor want your thank yous. Instead, if you are sincere then ask them about their service. If they saw combat then it may take them about 10-15 years before they are okay talking about it. But when they are ready, they will tell you some incredible stories about what they did and saw.

Thanking a vet for his service and/or sporting a "Support our Troops" bumper sticker is pure pablum, "feel good", meaningless stuff.

It is a way for the 98% of the people who have not served, don't have close family members serving or really have not been personally impacted in any way by our endless war since 2001 to think that they actually have some skin in that game when they really do not, and truth be told, are not really that personally concerned.

I still recall the genuine disinterest by almost everyone when my brother was fighting in Vietnam in 1966-67. None of their relatives were there, so who really cared? Not many at all, as I clearly recall.

How long did all the flag waving last after 9/11? It was "all the rage"....for a short while.

The same thing happened when I had two nephews fighting in the Iraq invasion in 2003 or when my nephew did two tours later in Afghanistan.

The truth is, unless their Dad, brother, son, nephew or themselves personally are involved in combat, most people really could care less, in my experience.

No scathing indictment here, really. It is just the way of human beings and of the world.

It was probably the same when the Roman legions invaded Gaul and/or Britannia. The civilian Roman population was likely more interested in earning coin, drinking wine and other pursuits rather than concern themselves with the plight of the legionnaires.

P.S. Go Navy! Anything that messes up the ESPN bowl system is not a bad thing.

Army and Navy have played at the end of the season for 100 years or so. Other G5 fans are just irritated that it's interfering with their need to be fulfilled immediately. One more week hurts nothing.

(12-01-2016 11:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Army and Navy have played at the end of the season for 100 years or so. Other G5 fans are just irritated that it's interfering with their need to be fulfilled immediately. One more week hurts nothing.

The last week of the season is this Saturday.
And yes it does hurt when a school may not have a full week to prepare for a bowl and the fans don't have a full week to make their travel plans.

(12-01-2016 11:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 11:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Army and Navy have played at the end of the season for 100 years or so. Other G5 fans are just irritated that it's interfering with their need to be fulfilled immediately. One more week hurts nothing.

The last week of the season is this Saturday.
And yes it does hurt when a school may not have a full week to prepare for a bowl and the fans don't have a full week to make their travel plans.

Uh...no it's not.

(12-01-2016 09:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 08:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:13 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:44 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  ome bowl sources believe the nightmare scenario actually would be Western Michigan losing the MAC title game and Navy winning the American. Then the committee likely would have to wait for the Navy-Army result, because it's unknown how far Navy would drop in the rankings after a loss to Army. They potentially could be passed by another Group of 5 champ, including San Diego State or Wyoming in the Mountain West or Western Kentucky in Conference USA.

"The bottom line is if the rankings are delayed, it would be a disaster to the bowl system," a bowl official said.

CF[/i]P committee could 'paralyze' bowl system with delayed Cotton Bowl bid http://es.pn/2fLALNF
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Why does the entire bowl system, schools, players, and fans have to suffer from some stupid Navy rule just because Navy DEMANDS to want to be special and play a game WAY past a reasonable time frame for bowl????

If Navy wants to be special and DEMAND to play Army after everybody else then they should have to be willing to accept they can be left behind!

I'd like to book flights and hotel to Miami's bowl game but might have to wait THREE days before game day to do so?? (Camellia Bowl Dec. 17 and committee may not decide until Dec. 14th per article) The other bowls will suffer in attendance and teams wont know their opponent to game plan and schools and fans pay extra for multiple bowls because Navy DEMANDS to be special and we OK'd a rule? No they need to accept that they wanted this and may get left out because of .

You shut your mouth and honor these teams. They are the best of us and never forget that. Some of these young men God forbid may not even be living a year from protecting us so your whiny behind can sit on the coach complaining about nothing truly important. Shhh!

Shut up with your high horse! That is coming from a U.S. Army Combat Veteran (me) . 1- they have not served in combat yet. 2. Most of them never will. 3. Be careful of who you might offend with your "they are holier than thou" redirect.

I have served this country in the post Vietnam era where people looked down on us that were in the military and I have served in the post Gulf War era were everyone praised us as heroes. It is nicer not being spit on, but we did not serve so that everyone would treat us special....ie how dare you be so unpatriotic and criticize Navy Football - BS!

FYI I am tired of people thanking me for my service. They are only saying because they they feel that they have to or people like you will berate them. True Veterans do not need nor want your thank yous. Instead, if you are sincere then ask them about their service. If they saw combat then it may take them about 10-15 years before they are okay talking about it. But when they are ready, they will tell you some incredible stories about what they did and saw.

Thanking a vet for his service and/or sporting a "Support our Troops" bumper sticker is pure pablum, "feel good", meaningless stuff.

It is a way for the 98% of the people who have not served, don't have close family members serving or really have not been personally impacted in any war by our endless war since 2001 to think that they actually have some skin in that game when they really do not, and truth be told, are not really that personally concerned.

I still recall the genuine disinterest by almost everyone when my brother was fighting in Vietnam in 1966-67. None of their relatives were there, so who really cared? Not many at all, as I clearly recall.

How long did all the flag waving last after 9/11? It was "all the rage"....for a short while.

The same thing happened when I had two nephews fighting in the Iraq invasion in 2003 or when my nephew did two tours later in Afghanistan.

The truth is, unless their Dad, brother, son, nephew or themselves personally are involved in combat, most people really could care less, in my experience.

No scathing indictment here, really. It is just the way of human beings and of the world.

It was probably the same when the Roman legions invaded Gaul and/or Britannia. The civilian Roman population was likely more interested in earning coin, drinking wine and other pursuits rather than concern themselves with the plight of the legionnaires.

P.S. Go Navy! Anything that messes up the ESPN bowl system is not a bad thing.

Validation? DENIED!!!

(12-01-2016 11:34 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 09:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 08:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:13 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:44 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  ome bowl sources believe the nightmare scenario actually would be Western Michigan losing the MAC title game and Navy winning the American. Then the committee likely would have to wait for the Navy-Army result, because it's unknown how far Navy would drop in the rankings after a loss to Army. They potentially could be passed by another Group of 5 champ, including San Diego State or Wyoming in the Mountain West or Western Kentucky in Conference USA.

"The bottom line is if the rankings are delayed, it would be a disaster to the bowl system," a bowl official said.

CF[/i]P committee could 'paralyze' bowl system with delayed Cotton Bowl bid http://es.pn/2fLALNF
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Why does the entire bowl system, schools, players, and fans have to suffer from some stupid Navy rule just because Navy DEMANDS to want to be special and play a game WAY past a reasonable time frame for bowl????

If Navy wants to be special and DEMAND to play Army after everybody else then they should have to be willing to accept they can be left behind!

I'd like to book flights and hotel to Miami's bowl game but might have to wait THREE days before game day to do so?? (Camellia Bowl Dec. 17 and committee may not decide until Dec. 14th per article) The other bowls will suffer in attendance and teams wont know their opponent to game plan and schools and fans pay extra for multiple bowls because Navy DEMANDS to be special and we OK'd a rule? No they need to accept that they wanted this and may get left out because of .

You shut your mouth and honor these teams. They are the best of us and never forget that. Some of these young men God forbid may not even be living a year from protecting us so your whiny behind can sit on the coach complaining about nothing truly important. Shhh!

Shut up with your high horse! That is coming from a U.S. Army Combat Veteran (me) . 1- they have not served in combat yet. 2. Most of them never will. 3. Be careful of who you might offend with your "they are holier than thou" redirect.

I have served this country in the post Vietnam era where people looked down on us that were in the military and I have served in the post Gulf War era were everyone praised us as heroes. It is nicer not being spit on, but we did not serve so that everyone would treat us special....ie how dare you be so unpatriotic and criticize Navy Football - BS!

FYI I am tired of people thanking me for my service. They are only saying because they they feel that they have to or people like you will berate them. True Veterans do not need nor want your thank yous. Instead, if you are sincere then ask them about their service. If they saw combat then it may take them about 10-15 years before they are okay talking about it. But when they are ready, they will tell you some incredible stories about what they did and saw.

Thanking a vet for his service and/or sporting a "Support our Troops" bumper sticker is pure pablum, "feel good", meaningless stuff.

It is a way for the 98% of the people who have not served, don't have close family members serving or really have not been personally impacted in any war by our endless war since 2001 to think that they actually have some skin in that game when they really do not, and truth be told, are not really that personally concerned.

I still recall the genuine disinterest by almost everyone when my brother was fighting in Vietnam in 1966-67. None of their relatives were there, so who really cared? Not many at all, as I clearly recall.

How long did all the flag waving last after 9/11? It was "all the rage"....for a short while.

The same thing happened when I had two nephews fighting in the Iraq invasion in 2003 or when my nephew did two tours later in Afghanistan.

The truth is, unless their Dad, brother, son, nephew or themselves personally are involved in combat, most people really could care less, in my experience.

No scathing indictment here, really. It is just the way of human beings and of the world.

It was probably the same when the Roman legions invaded Gaul and/or Britannia. The civilian Roman population was likely more interested in earning coin, drinking wine and other pursuits rather than concern themselves with the plight of the legionnaires.

P.S. Go Navy! Anything that messes up the ESPN bowl system is not a bad thing.

Validation? DENIED!!!

Message garbled?

The Army/Navy game is a special game for college football and the country and a longstanding tradition.

The players for Army and Navy will also be comitting to serve the country.

They and their programs also have a bit of a tougher road than most peers.

If we've constructed a system that breaks down in those rare cases where they enjoy some success....then maybe we need to be fixing the newfangled system rather than talking about screwing them over and their longstanding national tradition for convenience.

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To be fair to Army and Navy, they did not ask the conferences to start conference championship weekend and encroach their turf

(12-01-2016 12:40 PM)solohawks Wrote:  To be fair to Army and Navy, they did not ask the conferences to start conference championship weekend and encroach their turf

No...the conferences always had the CCG the same weekend and Army/Navy shared that until 10 years ago. Its not a tradition that Army/Navy play after all of the CCG were done....It a tradition that Army/Navy play each other on the last day of the regular season.