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(11-29-2016 09:27 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I like to believe USF, UCF, ECU and Memphis will win championships but can they pay up crazy salaries and go after head coaches who they think may help them sustain their success?!? I hope so.

Say what??? Memphis can offer big money for a football coach just like for our basketball coaches. We love winners and will fight for them. You are talking crazy.
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The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.
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(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.
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(11-30-2016 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.

And Mike Norvell is recruiting the QBs to run his offense. Riley isn't ideal for the RPO but Moore, McBride, and Upshaw are. Also the QB doesn't have to a super star in this offense. JUST DONT MESS UP
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Quote:Barton Simmons from 247 Sports talks Tennessee and Memphis Football Recruiting with Jason & John (11-30-16)


http://media.espn929.com/device/mobile/a...-30-16.htm

Good interview
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(11-30-2016 05:18 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.

And Mike Norvell is recruiting the QBs to run his offense. Riley isn't ideal for the RPO but Moore, McBride, and Upshaw are. Also the QB doesn't have to a super star in this offense. JUST DONT MESS UP

I know but they have to show it on the field consistently, under duress. Both Auburn & LSU have 4-5* QBs on the bench that haven't been productive. Just saying, again, let's see the production on the field. And BTW, I like what i see from Riley.
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(11-30-2016 05:32 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:18 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.

And Mike Norvell is recruiting the QBs to run his offense. Riley isn't ideal for the RPO but Moore, McBride, and Upshaw are. Also the QB doesn't have to a super star in this offense. JUST DONT MESS UP

I know but they have to show it on the field consistently, under duress. Both Auburn & LSU have 4-5* QBs on the bench that haven't been productive. Just saying, again, let's see the production on the field. And BTW, I like what i see from Riley.

You guys do realize Ferguson made a run at or tied most of Lynch's single season records and he is coming back next year.
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(11-30-2016 05:36 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:32 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:18 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.

And Mike Norvell is recruiting the QBs to run his offense. Riley isn't ideal for the RPO but Moore, McBride, and Upshaw are. Also the QB doesn't have to a super star in this offense. JUST DONT MESS UP

I know but they have to show it on the field consistently, under duress. Both Auburn & LSU have 4-5* QBs on the bench that haven't been productive. Just saying, again, let's see the production on the field. And BTW, I like what i see from Riley.

You guys do realize Ferguson made a run at or tied most of Lynch's single season records and he is coming back next year.

3326 yards passing and 28 TDs
Lynch 3776 and 28 TDs

Ferguson has one more game left and will get closer to Lynch in yards and most likely pass him in TDs for the season
They share the single game TD record with 7
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(11-30-2016 05:36 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:32 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:18 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.

And Mike Norvell is recruiting the QBs to run his offense. Riley isn't ideal for the RPO but Moore, McBride, and Upshaw are. Also the QB doesn't have to a super star in this offense. JUST DONT MESS UP

I know but they have to show it on the field consistently, under duress. Both Auburn & LSU have 4-5* QBs on the bench that haven't been productive. Just saying, again, let's see the production on the field. And BTW, I like what i see from Riley.

You guys do realize Ferguson made a run at or tied most of Lynch's single season records and he is coming back next year.

lol I am not dissing Ferguson. He is running the offense better than I thought. I am talking about the future not next year. Norvell really uses dual threat QBs in his offense. Norvell is building the depth and kind of QB he wants and Riley's play is allowing him to do that perfectly.
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(11-30-2016 05:32 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:18 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.

And Mike Norvell is recruiting the QBs to run his offense. Riley isn't ideal for the RPO but Moore, McBride, and Upshaw are. Also the QB doesn't have to a super star in this offense. JUST DONT MESS UP

I know but they have to show it on the field consistently, under duress. Both Auburn & LSU have 4-5* QBs on the bench that haven't been productive. Just saying, again, let's see the production on the field. And BTW, I like what i see from Riley.

All I am saying which is 100% true is that in the offense that our team runs the QB doesn't have to technically kill it from the get go. It's an offense that highlights our skill guys making plays in space. Perfect to work QBs into just like they did with Riley.
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(11-29-2016 10:52 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  
(11-29-2016 09:27 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I like to believe USF, UCF, ECU and Memphis will win championships but can they pay up crazy salaries and go after head coaches who they think may help them sustain their success?!? I hope so.

I don't recall off the top of my head what Norvell is presently getting, but Fuente was offered $3,000,000/year at Memphis last year, same as Herman's extension. Along with Herman, Fuente's salary would have been near the top of the AAC.

I don't know what Houston countered with Texas last week, but at some point salary becomes somewhat secondary for a coach trying to get a P5 dream job..

I know we're not talking basketball, but money's money and Tubby Smith gets $15.45 million over 5 years.

In any case, it appears that Memphis has the money to hire quality football coaches even if that happens every 2-3 years which if we continue to be successful will probably be the case.
Right. The Houston guy is off base. There are several universities in the conference that are willing to pay for top quality coaches in addition to Tubby, it was just a few years ago that Memphis was going to pay a basketball coach more than Kentucky but lost the coach because of the Wildcats' legacy; not money. The Houston fan is off base in that discussion.
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(11-30-2016 07:18 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:32 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:18 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 05:05 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The AAC hasn't witness what Memphis is capable of yet either. Fuente's last class and best class in his tenure will be redshirt sopmores or juniors this season. Mike Norvell's first class and better than Fuente's last class mostly redshirted with some playing early on the offensive side. Then our legendary class with 2 4* commits already in it will add even more to our talent. We are about to go on a role for the next few seasons. We have been doing good for 3 years with former walkons, JC recruits, and low 3* guys.

It all depends on QBs. Memphis & everyone else needs a talented QB to run the show. Most folks don't understand for example how talented LSU & Auburn are - Alabama good, IF they had a talented QB. That is the difference from a school that loses the close ones & the teams that win consistently when they have talent at the other positions. Understand what I'm saying. It's not a kid's ranking coming out of high school. It's how they perform on the field running the offense.

And Mike Norvell is recruiting the QBs to run his offense. Riley isn't ideal for the RPO but Moore, McBride, and Upshaw are. Also the QB doesn't have to a super star in this offense. JUST DONT MESS UP

I know but they have to show it on the field consistently, under duress. Both Auburn & LSU have 4-5* QBs on the bench that haven't been productive. Just saying, again, let's see the production on the field. And BTW, I like what i see from Riley.

All I am saying which is 100% true is that in the offense that our team runs the QB doesn't have to technically kill it from the get go. It's an offense that highlights our skill guys making plays in space. Perfect to work QBs into just like they did with Riley.
Exactly. Riley doing so well was a welcome good fortune for all of us. Him not being on at least the Honorable Mention All-Conference group was an oversight.
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(11-29-2016 09:50 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(11-29-2016 09:42 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  
(11-29-2016 09:27 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  There's absolutely good solid programs in this league right now no question... Perhaps the best way in understanding which AAC programs will win the most championships, I think are those capable in keeping up with today's insane salaries.

I give you these programs $$$ then as the most likely to pay respectable salaries.

Houston
Cincinnati
Navy
Temple

I like to believe USF, UCF, ECU and Memphis will win championships but can they pay up crazy salaries and go after head coaches who they think may help them sustain their success?!? I hope so.

You obviously know nothing about ucfs program. We can afford to do it as we already do even without boosters. I love the ignorance of someone who has been in conference for a decade.

What's the most UCF paid their football head coach?!?

2 mill a year with. We pay what we need to get the coaches we want. We had GOL and csf a first year head coach the past 11 years. O'Leary was at the top of our league in salary most years. Just because Houston is blowing money on who they want doesn't mean we won't/can't because we paid for what we wanted. Look at our facilities. We built all of that in cusa and have been improving every year. We don't need to spend 80 m now to renovate or build new facilities because we already had them. First indoor practice facility in the state. Others are starting to build them so we installed Ac when coach asked for it last year. New video boards in both arenas etc. new sdc. Breaking ground on new football offices. Renovating our baseball facilities. New renovation of our weight room for bball. We do incremental upgrades because everything was built in 2007. We went through this cycle 10 years ago. You assume that because we don't drop 80 mill we can't. It's because we already did several years ago. Do we have a Tillman ferrieta? No but we don't rely on them to make it happen. You open the pocket book the last three years and assume everyone can't. When we have been with you guys our facilities are competitive and so has our product. You just come across as uninformed and a braggart for other people's money. Khator and Cincy mortgaged their future on the b12. IT didn't work out so now you are reliant on big money boosters. What happens if they walked away? Houston would be screwed.
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(11-30-2016 10:58 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  
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(11-29-2016 09:42 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  [quote='BigHouston' pid='13848530' dateline='1480472832']
There's absolutely good solid programs in this league right now no question... Perhaps the best way in understanding which AAC programs will win the most championships, I think are those capable in keeping up with today's insane salaries.

I give you these programs $$$ then as the most likely to pay respectable salaries.

Houston
Cincinnati
Navy
Temple

I like to believe USF, UCF, ECU and Memphis will win championships but can they pay up crazy salaries and go after head coaches who they think may help them sustain their success?!? I hope so.

You obviously know nothing about ucfs program. We can afford to do it as we already do even without boosters. I love the ignorance of someone who has been in conference for a decade.

What's the most UCF paid their football head coach?!?

2 mill a year with. We pay what we need to get the coaches we want. We had GOL and csf a first year head coach the past 11 years. O'Leary was at the top of our league in salary most years. Just because Houston is blowing money on who they want doesn't mean we won't/can't because we paid for what we wanted. Look at our facilities. We built all of that in cusa and have been improving every year. We don't need to spend 80 m now to renovate or build new facilities because we already had them. First indoor practice facility in the state. Others are starting to build them so we installed Ac when coach asked for it last year. New video boards in both arenas etc. new sdc. Breaking ground on new football offices. Renovating our baseball facilities. New renovation of our weight room for bball. We do incremental upgrades because everything was built in 2007. We went through this cycle 10 years ago. You assume that because we don't drop 80 mill we can't. It's because we already did several years ago. Do we have a Tillman ferrieta? No but we don't rely on them to make it happen. You open the pocket book the last three years and assume everyone can't. When we have been with you guys our facilities are competitive and so has our product. You just come across as uninformed and a braggart for other people's money. Khator and Cincy mortgaged their future on the b12. IT didn't work out so now you are reliant on big money boosters. What happens if they walked away? Houston would be screwed. I will take the slow and steady approach and our track record as we have moved up the ladder as proof of our sustainability and ability to spend.
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The West is so superior and only the Florida teams and Cincy will win championships in the east
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