(11-29-2016 07:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  New CFP rankings, FSU 12 & Louisville 13, for now?

Meaning neither is in line for an NY 6 except for the conference tie-in. If Clemson loses this week, both of them get shut out, unless Oklahoma State gets blown out badly on Saturday.

UofL is shut out no matter what regarding the NY6 Bowls. FSU hinges on Clemson not doing a Clemson.
Make no mistake about it though, UofL is out of the running for the Orange with our loss to UK.

The wildcard for the Cotton becomes interesting as well. The Oklahoma/Oklahoma State loser is likely out. WV is already behind everyone. If Washington beats Colorado then they are in the CFP & the loser may go to the Rose. Would they put 4 B1G teams in the NY6 bowls? I don't think so. I see the top competitors for the Cotton as USC & FSU/Louisville. Outside shot to the Okl/Okl St loser.

CFP: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, Washington

Rose: Wisconsin/Penn St v Colorado/USC
Sugar: Auburn v Oklahoma/Okl St
Orange: Michigan v FSU/UL
Cotton: WMU v ? (Penn St, B1G loser, B12 loser, USC, FSU/UL)

(11-29-2016 08:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  New CFP rankings, FSU 12 & Louisville 13, for now?

Meaning neither is in line for an NY 6 except for the conference tie-in. If Clemson loses this week, both of them get shut out, unless Oklahoma State gets blown out badly on Saturday.

UofL is shut out no matter what regarding the NY6 Bowls. FSU hinges on Clemson not doing a Clemson.
Make no mistake about it though, UofL is out of the running for the Orange with our loss to UK.

Under the old system yes but the committee doesn't look week to week, they look at the total resume. It was done this way so that late season losses are equal to early season losses.

Also with several teams ahead picking up loses in their CCG you will likely see FSU & Louisville move up. Especially if those teams are Oklahoma State, Colorado & Penn State. This opens up the Cotton. I don't think they will put 4 B1G teams into the NY6. Some conference commissioners wouldn't be happy with that.

We don't deserve a NYD Six Bowl...we deserve Orlando for what we did the last 3 weeks...

It's ok guys, you won't have to fret about this after Saturday once VT beats Clemson.

FSU would whoop us right now, so the ranking is correct. It should be based on "point in time", not history and it appears that it is. I agree with it.

(11-30-2016 06:50 AM)Maize Wrote:  We don't deserve a NYD Six Bowl...we deserve Orlando for what we did the last 3 weeks...

They go by total resume & over 12 games Louisville has been good. USC was bad the first month of the season & yet they are in the hunt for a NY6. Penn State got blasted 49-10 by Michigan. Michigan lost one week & didn't drop. FSU wasn't particularly good at the start of the season. This new system is total resume. By this Louisville & FSU are really close, the last 2 weeks made it close for Louisville instead of clearly being ahead.

(11-30-2016 09:01 AM)dbacard Wrote:  FSU would whoop us right now, so the ranking is correct. It should be based on "point in time", not history and it appears that it is. I agree with it.

Which point in time? The last 2 weeks or the point in time when Louisville dominated FSU? It's not point in time, it's total resume. I'm ok with FSU getting the OB but their resume will change when Florida plays Bama. With FSU just ahead of us, the committee obviously sees this as a toss up.

(11-30-2016 09:01 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  It's ok guys, you won't have to fret about this after Saturday once VT beats Clemson.

That would shake up a lot of things & none of it would be good for the ACC or Louisville so go Tigers.

(11-29-2016 08:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The wildcard for the Cotton becomes interesting as well. The Oklahoma/Oklahoma State loser is likely out. WV is already behind everyone. If Washington beats Colorado then they are in the CFP & the loser may go to the Rose. Would they put 4 B1G teams in the NY6 bowls? I don't think so. I see the top competitors for the Cotton as USC & FSU/Louisville. Outside shot to the Okl/Okl St loser.

CFP: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, Washington

Rose: Wisconsin/Penn St v Colorado/USC
Sugar: Auburn v Oklahoma/Okl St
Orange: Michigan v FSU/UL
Cotton: WMU v ? (Penn St, B1G loser, B12 loser, USC, FSU/UL)

One slot of NYD6 bowls is reserved for G5. This year it is most likely Western Michigan or Navy.

(11-30-2016 09:12 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 09:01 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  It's ok guys, you won't have to fret about this after Saturday once VT beats Clemson.

That would shake up a lot of things & none of it would be good for the ACC or Louisville so go Tigers.

Serious question:

If the Coastal had an undefeated team facing a 9-3 Louisville team in the ACC Championship, L'ville fans wouldn't be rooting their team to win, because #GOACC?

Also, if you guys hadn't laid eggs the last two weeks, you'd be begging us to beat Clemson.

I'm not rooting for anything...we are going to get what we deserve...

(11-30-2016 09:12 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 08:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The wildcard for the Cotton becomes interesting as well. The Oklahoma/Oklahoma State loser is likely out. WV is already behind everyone. If Washington beats Colorado then they are in the CFP & the loser may go to the Rose. Would they put 4 B1G teams in the NY6 bowls? I don't think so. I see the top competitors for the Cotton as USC & FSU/Louisville. Outside shot to the Okl/Okl St loser.

CFP: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, Washington

Rose: Wisconsin/Penn St v Colorado/USC
Sugar: Auburn v Oklahoma/Okl St
Orange: Michigan v FSU/UL
Cotton: WMU v ? (Penn St, B1G loser, B12 loser, USC, FSU/UL)

One slot of NYD6 bowls is reserved for G5. This year it is most likely Western Michigan or Navy.

I included WMU, they are likely headed to the Cotton. Navy would as well.

(11-30-2016 09:43 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 09:12 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 09:01 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  It's ok guys, you won't have to fret about this after Saturday once VT beats Clemson.

That would shake up a lot of things & none of it would be good for the ACC or Louisville so go Tigers.

Serious question:

If the Coastal had an undefeated team facing a 9-3 Louisville team in the ACC Championship, L'ville fans wouldn't be rooting their team to win, because #GOACC?

Also, if you guys hadn't laid eggs the last two weeks, you'd be begging us to beat Clemson.

I would definitely be cheering for Louisville, as VT fans should be cheering for VT. But with this situation I will be cheering for Clemson since it would benefit the ACC & Louisville more. Fans should always root for what's best for their team as VT fans absolutely should be rooting for a win over Clemson. Didn't mean to imply otherwise. If it wouldn't lead to as much detriment to Louisville & the ACC I would be cheering for VT.

(11-30-2016 09:01 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  It's ok guys, you won't have to fret about this after Saturday once VT beats Clemson.

That would be amazing. Bless your heart for being so optimistic, HUSTLE.

(11-30-2016 10:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 09:01 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  It's ok guys, you won't have to fret about this after Saturday once VT beats Clemson.

That would be amazing. Bless your heart for being so optimistic, HUSTLE.

I honestly don't know what to expect. Most of it is just bravado and poking some fun on message boards, but we've got nothing to lose in this game and that makes us dangerous.

Maybe Clemson comes and plays to their full potential, but they've shown a propensity to lay some eggs this season. And honestly, the same can be said about VT.

Full disclosure, I think there's two likely scenarios - VT either wins in a close game or gets blown out by Clemson. I'm excited to be back in the hunt at the very least.

Neither team really has a great case, or much room to complain.

The committee really doesn't stick to anything they claim, so who knows. In general, I think head to head is quite overrated. I don't think there is any reason why they should be compelled to put Penn State in over Ohio State, or that if they put Ohio State in, Penn State has to go to because they beat Ohio State. Ohio State is clearly the better team and has the better resume, just like they don't have to put Pitt in because they beat Penn State.

However, the fact that FSU and Louisville have the same record and similar resumes, and the beatdown was CONCLUSIVE (unlike Penn State nipping Ohio State in a game Ohio State outplayed them), does lend itself to the idea that head to head should carry significant weight. You're really comparing similar teams. Unlike others, I by no means would favor FSU to beat Louisville if they played tomorrow (although I'd expect a closer game of course).

On the other hand...Louisville is really limping right now. It's hard to argue that sending Louisville to the Orange is putting the ACC's best foot forward. Both from an Orange Bowl appeal perspective and who has the better chance to beat Michigan, FSU is PROBABLY the better outcome for the conference.

But I don't think either team is getting "screwed" no matter who goes.

(11-30-2016 12:37 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Neither team really has a great case, or much room to complain.

The committee really doesn't stick to anything they claim, so who knows. In general, I think head to head is quite overrated. I don't think there is any reason why they should be compelled to put Penn State in over Ohio State, or that if they put Ohio State in, Penn State has to go to because they beat Ohio State. Ohio State is clearly the better team and has the better resume, just like they don't have to put Pitt in because they beat Penn State.

However, the fact that FSU and Louisville have the same record and similar resumes, and the beatdown was CONCLUSIVE (unlike Penn State nipping Ohio State in a game Ohio State outplayed them), does lend itself to the idea that head to head should carry significant weight. You're really comparing similar teams. Unlike others, I by no means would favor FSU to beat Louisville if they played tomorrow (although I'd expect a closer game of course).

On the other hand...Louisville is really limping right now. It's hard to argue that sending Louisville to the Orange is putting the ACC's best foot forward. Both from an Orange Bowl appeal perspective and who has the better chance to beat Michigan, FSU is PROBABLY the better outcome for the conference.

But I don't think either team is getting "screwed" no matter who goes.

I won't complain either way. I agree with basically everything you said. I think it's just an interesting situation for the committee. How much influence do the conference commissioners & bowls have in the selection process? Who would the bowls want? FSU without a doubt would bring a ton of fans but how many of them would rent hotels rooms or spend a few days there partying compared to Louisville fans? How much of the business side of bowls are considered when you have teams so close together by resume? That's another reason why I think the Cotton may come into play for the ACC, to appease the team that doesn't go to the OB. If everything goes as chalk though I think USC will get the Cotton. This new system is still in its infancy & I think its interesting to see how it unfolds. I noticed in the first year that they tweaked their final rankings to apparently satisfy the bowls after the playoff teams were selected. I think that the committee keeping FSU & Louisville together is telling, that they are leaving their options open.

"Neither team really has a great case, or much room to complain. "

This.

I say whoever has best shot at beating Michigan.....I have no idea who that is.

(11-30-2016 01:07 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:37 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Neither team really has a great case, or much room to complain.

The committee really doesn't stick to anything they claim, so who knows. In general, I think head to head is quite overrated. I don't think there is any reason why they should be compelled to put Penn State in over Ohio State, or that if they put Ohio State in, Penn State has to go to because they beat Ohio State. Ohio State is clearly the better team and has the better resume, just like they don't have to put Pitt in because they beat Penn State.

However, the fact that FSU and Louisville have the same record and similar resumes, and the beatdown was CONCLUSIVE (unlike Penn State nipping Ohio State in a game Ohio State outplayed them), does lend itself to the idea that head to head should carry significant weight. You're really comparing similar teams. Unlike others, I by no means would favor FSU to beat Louisville if they played tomorrow (although I'd expect a closer game of course).

On the other hand...Louisville is really limping right now. It's hard to argue that sending Louisville to the Orange is putting the ACC's best foot forward. Both from an Orange Bowl appeal perspective and who has the better chance to beat Michigan, FSU is PROBABLY the better outcome for the conference.

But I don't think either team is getting "screwed" no matter who goes.

I won't complain either way. I agree with basically everything you said. I think it's just an interesting situation for the committee. How much influence do the conference commissioners & bowls have in the selection process? Who would the bowls want? FSU without a doubt would bring a ton of fans but how many of them would rent hotels rooms or spend a few days there partying compared to Louisville fans? How much of the business side of bowls are considered when you have teams so close together by resume? That's another reason why I think the Cotton may come into play for the ACC, to appease the team that doesn't go to the OB. If everything goes as chalk though I think USC will get the Cotton. This new system is still in its infancy & I think its interesting to see how it unfolds. I noticed in the first year that they tweaked their final rankings to apparently satisfy the bowls after the playoff teams were selected. I think that the committee keeping FSU & Louisville together is telling, that they are leaving their options open.

Those factors are not supposed to come into play with the Big 6 bowls.

How much they do? Who really knows.

My big problem with the committee, from the beginning, has always been a lack of consistency.

Ever since they justified moving Alabama up for a dominating and never in doubt win against Miss St., and at the same time justified not dropping Miss St. because they played Alabama close and were in the game the whole way.

I'm actually ok if there are no "rules". As soon as you set up a rule, a situation comes up that all but demands you break it. But I do have a problem with constantly pretending there are criteria, but then either changing the criteria or simply acting against it.

I don't know that it's because they are "gaming" the system to get what they want...it's actually a damn hard job with rarely any clear answers. But the total inconsistency lends itself the IMPRESSION that they are gaming the system, making it an easy accusation.