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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 01:30 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: What was the purpose of UCF going it on fourth and long when the game was basically over? Was it to teach your team the game isnt over until the end? Then they should play until the end on defense
Did you really just say this thinking it had any meaningful logic? Wow, you really think that being on offense and trying for a score to try for a chance at an onside kick and having the ball on defense when all you have to do is take a knee and the game is over are somehow related in anyway?
There is nothing to say you must take a knee at any time. If you are going to preach play until the whistle then that means offense and defense. Now if Scott and his staff wants to take offense on it then go right ahead maybe next year they can do the same.
It's all BS anyways whether it's 48 or 41 still counts as 1 win and 1 loss for the team and players,unfortunately dumb pollsters who do not watch games will give more credit for the 48. Those are facts and as long as college football depends on polls scores will matter.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
Amazing read!!
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 02:17 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: (11-29-2016 01:30 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: What was the purpose of UCF going it on fourth and long when the game was basically over? Was it to teach your team the game isnt over until the end? Then they should play until the end on defense
Did you really just say this thinking it had any meaningful logic? Wow, you really think that being on offense and trying for a score to try for a chance at an onside kick and having the ball on defense when all you have to do is take a knee and the game is over are somehow related in anyway?
There is nothing to say you must take a knee at any time. If you are going to preach play until the whistle then that means offense and defense. Now if Scott and his staff wants to take offense on it then go right ahead maybe next year they can do the same.
It's all BS anyways whether it's 48 or 41 still counts as 1 win and 1 loss for the team and players,unfortunately dumb pollsters who do not watch games will give more credit for the 48. Those are facts and as long as college football depends on polls scores will matter.
That makes no sense at all. Offense still has a chance at that point. Crazier things have happened. Once the D has the ball and can run the clock out, the game is over. What most coaches will do is simply take the knee and walk off the victor.
I never said anyone had to do anything. I just said that it was low rent to try and score in that situation. I would expect that people would say the same of SF if he did the same thing. If he did I would be disappointed in him. Steve Spurrier was famous for running up the score. He felt like it was the other guy's job to stop him. He was labeled low class for it. He did not care, but it was still low class.
The score did not get WT anything in the polls. He did it because he could. Fine.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 02:50 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 02:17 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: (11-29-2016 01:30 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: What was the purpose of UCF going it on fourth and long when the game was basically over? Was it to teach your team the game isnt over until the end? Then they should play until the end on defense
Did you really just say this thinking it had any meaningful logic? Wow, you really think that being on offense and trying for a score to try for a chance at an onside kick and having the ball on defense when all you have to do is take a knee and the game is over are somehow related in anyway?
There is nothing to say you must take a knee at any time. If you are going to preach play until the whistle then that means offense and defense. Now if Scott and his staff wants to take offense on it then go right ahead maybe next year they can do the same.
It's all BS anyways whether it's 48 or 41 still counts as 1 win and 1 loss for the team and players,unfortunately dumb pollsters who do not watch games will give more credit for the 48. Those are facts and as long as college football depends on polls scores will matter.
That makes no sense at all. Offense still has a chance at that point. Crazier things have happened. Once the D has the ball and can run the clock out, the game is over. What most coaches will do is simply take the knee and walk off the victor.
I never said anyone had to do anything. I just said that it was low rent to try and score in that situation. I would expect that people would say the same of SF if he did the same thing. If he did I would be disappointed in him. Steve Spurrier was famous for running up the score. He felt like it was the other guy's job to stop him. He was labeled low class for it. He did not care, but it was still low class.
The score did not get WT anything in the polls. He did it because he could. Fine.
Fine call it what you want. Be outraged about it. It changes nothing.
It's ridiculous to keep crying about it. Don't like it then stop the team from scoring plain and simple.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 12:46 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:26 PM)M1T4 Wrote: USF has never won a conference championship?
Crazy
If the AAC was under the same format as a couple years ago, USF would be Co-champs with Temple and Navy like UC, Memphis, and UCF were that year with all finishing at 7-1. That is how Memphis actually won a conference championship, by being co-champs.
IMO, USF was the best team in AAC this year, but had the unfortunate draw of playing at Temple, while Temple played a soft schedule and soft crossover schedule and had the best team at home. Sour grapes, maybe. But I think most would agree that if USF and Temple played 10 times on a neutral field, USF would win probably 7 or 8 times. Temple fans may disagree and that's fine, I don't blame them. Congrats to them, they won the games they were scheduled to play.
Same thing happened last year. USF actually won all East division games, but had a tougher crossover than Temple and lost to Navy and Memphis. Temple didn't play Navy, but instead got Tulane. Again, if schedules reversed, USF probably wins division that year also. Again, Temple just won the games they were assigned by AAC, but everyone can agree that Navy and Memphis last year were tougher than Tulane and Tulsa (of last year, not this year).
But yes, USF has not won a conf. championship. That is correct.
Don't lose to Temple and then you would have a valid claim. Navy or Temple will be the best team this season.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 12:07 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:00 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: Taggart has slowly improved USF and given them what they never had before, which is depth. A solid foundation. CJL teams were grit and duct tape and a bit of smoke and mirrors. For once USF won the games it should.
the last TD was low rent but since there is no other trophy on the horizon for USF they may as well enjoy the War on I-4. Gives them something to put in the trophy case.
Since they didn't win the division, they are free this weekend. They should have a parade at Busch Gardens for their first football trophy.
2nd. They won that mascot trophy in 2013.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 12:50 PM)PirateJim Wrote: What goes around comes around. USF won't always be in the lead position. Just be prepared.
They pulled the same low class move on ECU. The league remembers.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 12:07 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:00 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: Taggart has slowly improved USF and given them what they never had before, which is depth. A solid foundation. CJL teams were grit and duct tape and a bit of smoke and mirrors. For once USF won the games it should.
the last TD was low rent but since there is no other trophy on the horizon for USF they may as well enjoy the War on I-4. Gives them something to put in the trophy case.
Since they didn't win the division, they are free this weekend. They should have a parade at Busch Gardens for their first football trophy.
In Willie's case they should have a parade at Bush Gardens.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 01:00 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:57 PM)malenko2 Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:46 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:26 PM)M1T4 Wrote: USF has never won a conference championship?
Crazy
If the AAC was under the same format as a couple years ago, USF would be Co-champs with Temple and Navy like UC, Memphis, and UCF were that year with all finishing at 7-1. That is how Memphis actually won a conference championship, by being co-champs.
IMO, USF was the best team in AAC this year, but had the unfortunate draw of playing at Temple, while Temple played a soft schedule and soft crossover schedule and had the best team at home. Sour grapes, maybe. But I think most would agree that if USF and Temple played 10 times on a neutral field, USF would win probably 7 or 8 times. Temple fans may disagree and that's fine, I don't blame them. Congrats to them, they won the games they were scheduled to play.
Same thing happened last year. USF actually won all East division games, but had a tougher crossover than Temple and lost to Navy and Memphis. Temple didn't play Navy, but instead got Tulane. Again, if schedules reversed, USF probably wins division that year also. Again, Temple just won the games they were assigned by AAC, but everyone can agree that Navy and Memphis last year were tougher than Tulane and Tulsa (of last year, not this year).
But yes, USF has not won a conf. championship. That is correct.
Not crying at all. Temple won the games they were scheduled to play, regardless of how easy they were. Congrats. You did what you had to do and won.
I was just laying out the facts of the situation. If you disagree with my version of the fact, then that's fine. No big deal.
Congrats on the division championship. Your team is playing very well.
Sorry bro, just pokin the Bull, but it made me laugh.. "If you disagree with my version of the FACT". How can one disagree with something that is actually a fact?
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 04:38 PM)ultraviolet Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:07 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:00 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: Taggart has slowly improved USF and given them what they never had before, which is depth. A solid foundation. CJL teams were grit and duct tape and a bit of smoke and mirrors. For once USF won the games it should.
the last TD was low rent but since there is no other trophy on the horizon for USF they may as well enjoy the War on I-4. Gives them something to put in the trophy case.
Since they didn't win the division, they are free this weekend. They should have a parade at Busch Gardens for their first football trophy.
In Willie's case they should have a parade at Bush Gardens.
a parade for all the butthurt people on this thread.
Oh look the Bulls scored again.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
I don't mind USF going for it, I'd want UCF to of the same. I personally believe this is willie's last year at USF, he's got to take a job at a P5 this offseason.
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11-29-2016 05:41 PM |
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 05:41 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: I don't mind USF going for it, I'd want UCF to of the same. I personally believe this is willie's last year at USF, he's got to take a job at a P5 this offseason.
I don't think he even has a winning record at USF yet. If next year is similar to this year, he gone. This is just another example of the G5/P5 bullshiiit.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 04:38 PM)ultraviolet Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:07 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:00 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: Taggart has slowly improved USF and given them what they never had before, which is depth. A solid foundation. CJL teams were grit and duct tape and a bit of smoke and mirrors. For once USF won the games it should.
the last TD was low rent but since there is no other trophy on the horizon for USF they may as well enjoy the War on I-4. Gives them something to put in the trophy case.
Since they didn't win the division, they are free this weekend. They should have a parade at Busch Gardens for their first football trophy.
In Willie's case they should have a parade at Bush Gardens.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 05:41 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: I don't mind USF going for it, I'd want UCF to of the same. I personally believe this is willie's last year at USF, he's got to take a job at a P5 this offseason.
He might leave this year if the right opportunity presents itself and I wouldn't blame him or any coach for going for a better higher paying job. With that said I could see him leaving after next year when the returning team and schedule are set for even more success. It all will depend on the job offers.
With that said he has brought USF back to winning and whoever comes after him will have a loaded roster.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
I know before this season his name was brought up a few times for P5 jobs, so I've got to figure he's going to ride the momentum for a new job.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 07:09 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: I know before this season his name was brought up a few times for P5 jobs, so I've got to figure he's going to ride the momentum for a new job.
Sooner or later he wil.it all depends on the jobs that open. He has a loaded team next year at USF plus the schedule to set himself for a better opening.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 07:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: (11-29-2016 07:09 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: I know before this season his name was brought up a few times for P5 jobs, so I've got to figure he's going to ride the momentum for a new job.
Sooner or later he wil.it all depends on the jobs that open. He has a loaded team next year at USF plus the schedule to set himself for a better opening.
I hate being a tweener conference where every successful coach gets taken away... but that's how it is. At least if it happens, you had some success to enjoy, and should have something to build on.
CWT may be different though, doesn't he have strong family ties to the area, and just built a house? Sounds like he wants to stay, unless it's REALLY a big job. And would probably have to be a big job in Florida...
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 12:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: LOL. I have no problem with his attitude. Heck we have been on the other end. If you dont like it then dont put the team in a situation to score.
What was the purpose of UCF going it on fourth and long when the game was basically over? Was it to teach your team the game isnt over until the end? Then they should play until the end on defense
With 3 minutes left, you have to go for it if you are UCF. You teach kids to try to win. USF can't really be faulted. Looks like 2 minutes and a lot of change, so it is not knee time yet, so you keep it on the ground and run down the time. Four knees takes max of 100 minutes (1 minute 40 seconds. If more than that is left on the clock, you run another play. If the kid scores, so be it, because you don't tell kids, especially a second stringer, to hold back. If there were under 1:40 left, no need to be a jerk and instead take the knee (s). So, how much time was left when the play for the last score happened?
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
(11-29-2016 09:40 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote: (11-29-2016 12:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: LOL. I have no problem with his attitude. Heck we have been on the other end. If you dont like it then dont put the team in a situation to score.
What was the purpose of UCF going it on fourth and long when the game was basically over? Was it to teach your team the game isnt over until the end? Then they should play until the end on defense
With 3 minutes left, you have to go for it if you are UCF. You teach kids to try to win. USF can't really be faulted. Looks like 2 minutes and a lot of change, so it is not knee time yet, so you keep it on the ground and run down the time. Four knees takes max of 100 minutes (1 minute 40 seconds. If more than that is left on the clock, you run another play. If the kid scores, so be it, because you don't tell kids, especially a second stringer, to hold back. If there were under 1:40 left, no need to be a jerk and instead take the knee (s). So, how much time was left when the play for the last score happened?
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I get running it at first but the last play had about 14 seconds UCF had no time outs. They could have ended it. I get it. If you are trying to make a statement somehow then you run it and score. But there really was no statement to be made. The game was not a run away. The 17 point win did nothing that a 10 point win would not have. It was just to put it in the face of UCF. I understand it. I don't respect it but I understand it.
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RE: Good Willie Taggart article
Willie has one more year at USF. This is the first year he has been a prominent figure in the coaching hire articles. He had some blips last year but this year he is on most of the lists. Give him another year. If USF can make the AAC Championship then he will get a decent P5 offer.
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