(11-30-2016 10:57 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:31 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Hahaha your words cut like a knife...psssssh. Sorry that strength of schedule matters, I know it's hard for you to grasp, but if you don't play good teams, no one knows if you are actually good. Therefore, the committee doesn't know what to do with your team when you play a crap schedule so they don't just assume that you are good. Sounds like the right thing to do. Give me a break with your garbage.

Also, who should be #5? Colorado? It can't be Penn State or Wisconsin since they both lost to Michigan. The only thing I will disagree with is sending Ohio State to the playoff over Penn State if PSU wins the Big Ten and Washington and Clemson win their conference championships. And you gives a crap about Auburn being #14...What on earth does that matter. After the top 6 or 7, the only thing that somewhat matters is who gets in the sympathy bowl.

Well for one, are we doing this head to head? OSU beat UM, UM beat OSU, PSU beat OSU. Those 3 teams are 1-1 against each other. Factor in that OSU is 11-1, UM is 10-2, and PSU is 11-2 + B10 title (if they win). It's a very easy argument to understand. UM also lost to Iowa, that's not a good loss. Not to mention UM played 4 road games, congrats on the tough schedule. UM best road win is 3-9 MSU. They finished 3rd in their own division. The winner of Wisconsin/Sandusky U will get in if Clemson or Washington lose. Next.

As for the crap schedule, if WMU and Navy win out guess what.....WMU = 3 wins over winning FBS teams. Navy = 4 wins over winning FBS teams. Yeah great tough schedule Navy has played. Also, they have 2 losses. Next.

As for Auburn, yeah it's still a joke. They have 4 flippin losses and they are #14. There really is no justification for that.

Yeah, those wins against EMU, Toledo, and Northwestern are NUTS! someone put this team in the playoff!!! Navy beat three teams that would crush WMU. If you flipped WMU's and Navy's schedule, Navy would win every game by 21 and WMU would have 4 losses...at least.

It's funny how the press is uniformly positive toward WMU when we got **** on so bad for poor strength of schedule in 2012 and 13. Be that as it may, I hope WMU wins on Friday and gets the Cotton Bowl because it would be great for the MAC.

Here's an interesting tidbit. One possible Cotton Bowl opponent would be USC, who might be the best team in the country right now. I would take them on a neutral field against anybody, Bama included. Also, WMU's first game next year is..... at USC. They could play them twice in a row.

(11-30-2016 11:31 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  It's funny how the press is uniformly positive toward WMU when we got **** on so bad for poor strength of schedule in 2012 and 13. Be that as it may, I hope WMU wins on Friday and gets the Cotton Bowl because it would be great for the MAC.

Here's an interesting tidbit. One possible Cotton Bowl opponent would be USC, who might be the best team in the country right now. I would take them on a neutral field against anybody, Bama included. Also, WMU's first game next year is..... at USC. They could play them twice in a row.

That game would not be pretty. USC would be overwhelming, and WMU would collapse in a heap.

The press is so favorable to WMU for one reason - and one reason only: P.J. Fleck.

Ever notice how the Chicago newspapers have man crushes on guys who are perceived to be good-looking? It is uncanny. The Sun-Times has pictures of Theo Epstein almost every day during the baseball season (and at other times, too). They have others as well, such as Ryan Pace. I have never seen a newspaper so in love with certain guys. Do the sportswriters drool over these guys, or are they trying to sell newspapers? Guaranteed that if P.J. were at a Chicago area school, his picture would be in the paper daily. Guaranteed.

(11-30-2016 11:31 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  It's funny how the press is uniformly positive toward WMU when we got **** on so bad for poor strength of schedule in 2012 and 13. Be that as it may, I hope WMU wins on Friday and gets the Cotton Bowl because it would be great for the MAC.

Here's an interesting tidbit. One possible Cotton Bowl opponent would be USC, who might be the best team in the country right now. I would take them on a neutral field against anybody, Bama included. Also, WMU's first game next year is..... at USC. They could play them twice in a row.

Better, yes, top 10 yes, Bama no.

I saw them against Bama. That was a beat down. Long way but I don't think that far.

(11-29-2016 09:50 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 08:50 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  NIU and Northwestern betrayed us this year.

NIU betrayed us, too!

tou-freaking-che'

(11-30-2016 11:00 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:57 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:31 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Hahaha your words cut like a knife...psssssh. Sorry that strength of schedule matters, I know it's hard for you to grasp, but if you don't play good teams, no one knows if you are actually good. Therefore, the committee doesn't know what to do with your team when you play a crap schedule so they don't just assume that you are good. Sounds like the right thing to do. Give me a break with your garbage.

Also, who should be #5? Colorado? It can't be Penn State or Wisconsin since they both lost to Michigan. The only thing I will disagree with is sending Ohio State to the playoff over Penn State if PSU wins the Big Ten and Washington and Clemson win their conference championships. And you gives a crap about Auburn being #14...What on earth does that matter. After the top 6 or 7, the only thing that somewhat matters is who gets in the sympathy bowl.

Well for one, are we doing this head to head? OSU beat UM, UM beat PSU, PSU beat OSU. Those 3 teams are 1-1 against each other. Factor in that OSU is 11-1, UM is 10-2, and PSU is 11-2 + B10 title (if they win). It's a very easy argument to understand. UM also lost to Iowa, that's not a good loss. Not to mention UM played 4 road games, congrats on the tough schedule. UM best road win is 3-9 MSU. They finished 3rd in their own division. The winner of Wisconsin/Sandusky U will get in if Clemson or Washington lose. Next.

As for the crap schedule, if WMU and Navy win out guess what.....WMU = 3 wins over winning FBS teams. Navy = 4 wins over winning FBS teams. Yeah great tough schedule Navy has played. Also, they have 2 losses. Next.

As for Auburn, yeah it's still a joke. They have 4 flippin losses and they are #14. There really is no justification for that.

Yeah, those wins against EMU, Toledo, and Northwestern are NUTS! someone put this team in the playoff!!! Navy beat three teams that would crush WMU. If you flipped WMU's and Navy's schedule, Navy would win every game by 21 and WMU would have 4 losses...at least.

I clearly did not say that. It's clear you have nothing to offer so just take the L and move on.

(11-30-2016 12:19 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:00 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:57 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:31 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Hahaha your words cut like a knife...psssssh. Sorry that strength of schedule matters, I know it's hard for you to grasp, but if you don't play good teams, no one knows if you are actually good. Therefore, the committee doesn't know what to do with your team when you play a crap schedule so they don't just assume that you are good. Sounds like the right thing to do. Give me a break with your garbage.

Also, who should be #5? Colorado? It can't be Penn State or Wisconsin since they both lost to Michigan. The only thing I will disagree with is sending Ohio State to the playoff over Penn State if PSU wins the Big Ten and Washington and Clemson win their conference championships. And you gives a crap about Auburn being #14...What on earth does that matter. After the top 6 or 7, the only thing that somewhat matters is who gets in the sympathy bowl.

Well for one, are we doing this head to head? OSU beat UM, UM beat PSU, PSU beat OSU. Those 3 teams are 1-1 against each other. Factor in that OSU is 11-1, UM is 10-2, and PSU is 11-2 + B10 title (if they win). It's a very easy argument to understand. UM also lost to Iowa, that's not a good loss. Not to mention UM played 4 road games, congrats on the tough schedule. UM best road win is 3-9 MSU. They finished 3rd in their own division. The winner of Wisconsin/Sandusky U will get in if Clemson or Washington lose. Next.

As for the crap schedule, if WMU and Navy win out guess what.....WMU = 3 wins over winning FBS teams. Navy = 4 wins over winning FBS teams. Yeah great tough schedule Navy has played. Also, they have 2 losses. Next.

As for Auburn, yeah it's still a joke. They have 4 flippin losses and they are #14. There really is no justification for that.

Yeah, those wins against EMU, Toledo, and Northwestern are NUTS! someone put this team in the playoff!!! Navy beat three teams that would crush WMU. If you flipped WMU's and Navy's schedule, Navy would win every game by 21 and WMU would have 4 losses...at least.

I clearly did not say that. It's clear you have nothing to offer so just take the L and move on.

Lol

(11-29-2016 11:44 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be hilarious if Temple beat Navy and jumped WMU?

(11-30-2016 12:07 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  The press is so favorable to WMU for one reason - and one reason only: P.J. Fleck.

This absolutely plays a factor. As I mentioned in another thread, Fleck fits the ESPN personality profile to a T. He's energetic, passionate, opinionated, overly confident, etc. It's a big reason why I wouldn't be shocked if he gets a bigger job than he's really qualified for. ESPN will ride the Fleck hype train into the ground if he has even limited success.

(11-29-2016 09:13 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 09:01 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  If WMU fans are worried about beating Ohio (!!!) that alone should explain why 2 loss Navy (impressive resume) is on their heels.

Haha yeah seriously

That is Todd..he worries about everything and we have forced him not to change...as it has been good luck

i want WMU to get into the cotton bowl. it would be a great injustice (in the sports sense) if not.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...owl-system

(11-30-2016 12:57 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:07 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  The press is so favorable to WMU for one reason - and one reason only: P.J. Fleck.

This absolutely plays a factor. As I mentioned in another thread, Fleck fits the ESPN personality profile to a T. He's energetic, passionate, opinionated, overly confident, etc. It's a big reason why I wouldn't be shocked if he gets a bigger job than he's really qualified for. ESPN will ride the Fleck hype train into the ground if he has even limited success.

I care about MAC football. If P.J. Press skills can advance the cause of MAC FB and
Get NIU FB an extra $550 000, lets recognize it as an NIU FB asset.

Perhaps we should be routing for P.J. To remain in the MAC?

Many people on this board forget what P.J. Did for NIU FB in 2003, afterwards and as a coach for WMU last year getting NIU to another trip to Detroit.

No-one can argue that P.J. Is an NIU graduate, captained the incredible 2003 NIU FB team and has been associated with NIU FB after 2003.
We chose, perhaps mistakenly to not invest in PJ. WMU made the investment and it has definitely paid off handsome dividend.

I wish that NIU would have ESPN game day, come to DeKalb on a Saturday.
Has only happened twice in the MAC in the past 20 years that Ican remember.

P.J.'s success at WMU has been the brightest news of NIU FB this year.
While I miss NIU being MAC top dog, am respectful and grateful for WMU alumni
Investing in P.J. .

The first $million dollar MAC coach.
Probably the first MAC coach to be offered well over $1M.
Rumors on the WMU board say that the school might offer him up to $3M a year.

Let's face it. I love NIU FB, however our athletic budget is under $900 000 a year.
We cannot afford to pay a coach like PJ and turn NIU into the next Boise State.

We are in the MAC for the forseeable future and need the MAC to increase in respect, TV publicity to increase our future FB revenues and attract and schedule more quality teams. Something which is becoming harder.

If anything, NIU should be campaigning to keep PJ in the MAC.
As long as PJ is a successful coach at WMU or any MAC west school, NIU FB will
Benefit.

Remember 2003. Bowling Green was ranked in the top 10 and played a 6-6 NU in a small Bowl. There only loss was to Iowa that landed up being ranked in the top 10.

Remember when an NIU FB team went 10-2 with 2 ranked wins against Maryland #15 and Alabama at Alabama! My favorite two moments of NIU FB.

Remember when Toledo went 9-3 that year crushing a good Penn State team at Penn. State.

Can anyone argue how things have improved for MAC FB since 2003?

Sure if WMU goes 13-0, NAvy might still unfairly be chosen over the best MAC team this year.

Should this happen, PJ and the whole MAC will protest with support across the entire country.
MAC FB will once again be frontage news as it was during some of our best years.

Next year it will be allot harder to exclude an u defeated MAC champion.

The future interest of NIU FB and the MAC at present are being served very well by PJ.

(11-30-2016 03:51 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:57 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:07 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  The press is so favorable to WMU for one reason - and one reason only: P.J. Fleck.

This absolutely plays a factor. As I mentioned in another thread, Fleck fits the ESPN personality profile to a T. He's energetic, passionate, opinionated, overly confident, etc. It's a big reason why I wouldn't be shocked if he gets a bigger job than he's really qualified for. ESPN will ride the Fleck hype train into the ground if he has even limited success.

I care about MAC football. If P.J. Press skills can advance the cause of MAC FB and
Get NIU FB an extra $550 000, lets recognize it as an NIU FB asset.

Perhaps we should be routing for P.J. To remain in the MAC?

Many people on this board forget what P.J. Did for NIU FB in 2003, afterwards and as a coach for WMU last year getting NIU to another trip to Detroit.

No-one can argue that P.J. Is an NIU graduate, captained the incredible 2003 NIU FB team and has been associated with NIU FB after 2003.
We chose, perhaps mistakenly to not invest in PJ. WMU made the investment and it has definitely paid off handsome dividend.

I wish that NIU would have ESPN game day, come to DeKalb on a Saturday.
Has only happened twice in the MAC in the past 20 years that Ican remember.

P.J.'s success at WMU has been the brightest news of NIU FB this year.
While I miss NIU being MAC top dog, am respectful and grateful for WMU alumni
Investing in P.J. .

The first $million dollar MAC coach.
Probably the first MAC coach to be offered well over $1M.
Rumors on the WMU board say that the school might offer him up to $3M a year.

Let's face it. I love NIU FB, however our athletic budget is under $900 000 a year.
We cannot afford to pay a coach like PJ and turn NIU into the next Boise State.

We are in the MAC for the forseeable future and need the MAC to increase in respect, TV publicity to increase our future FB revenues and attract and schedule more quality teams. Something which is becoming harder.

If anything, NIU should be campaigning to keep PJ in the MAC.
As long as PJ is a successful coach at WMU or any MAC west school, NIU FB will
Benefit.

Very well said!

First and foremost, PJ gave NIU the MAC West title last year and we should all appreciate the fact that he did.
Second and also important is the fact that if WMU goes to the Cotton Bowl, NIU gets a big check.
Last and just as important is if PJ gets the big raise from WMU or a job at a P5 school, being an alumnus he may throw some cash NIU's way.