(11-27-2016 01:31 PM)T-Moar Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 01:21 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 01:03 PM)T-Moar Wrote:  It's a little concerning that I haven't heard anything about Bailiff getting fired on Twitter. Not even so much as a rumor right now. That wouldn't be expected in a world where he's getting fired.

Sadly, it's because there are very few people in the media who care. There would be more consternation if Gary Joseph quit Katy High School.

Even if nobody cares about Rice, you'd think an agent for a potential replacement coach would have said something, and we'd be seeing rumors coming from the other schools' reporters. But I'm not seeing anything out there.

Once again, the AD and Rice don't sense Any urgency. The AD probably saw "enough hope" for next year....

JK is in charge and he cannot let alums tell him how to do his job.

However, a lot of alums have apparently communicated their extreme concern with DB's continued employment in his current capacity. I think it is a safe conclusion that if DB is retained, then JK and/or Rice is telling alums to eat S@it and die.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I will also start to consider whether the powers that be at Rice are consciously trying to eliminate football from the Rice scene.

Given the well founded concern that Rice will not have the gumption to make a change, I think, if Rice does decide to make a change, it would be wise to announce it sooner rather than later.

(11-27-2016 01:03 PM)T-Moar Wrote:  If it doesn't happen today, it's probably not happening. In all likelihood, this decision was made one way or the other before the Stanford game. All that's left should be to inform Bailiff that he's been fired, if that's what they've chosen to do.

It's a little concerning that I haven't heard anything about Bailiff getting fired on Twitter. Not even so much as a rumor right now. That wouldn't be expected in a world where he's getting fired.

If there's to be a change, I figure it will be at an announced press conference. Probably not on a Sunday. In the next 2-3 days, guessing.

I don't see any announcements of a press conference.

(11-27-2016 02:19 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 01:03 PM)T-Moar Wrote:  If it doesn't happen today, it's probably not happening. In all likelihood, this decision was made one way or the other before the Stanford game. All that's left should be to inform Bailiff that he's been fired, if that's what they've chosen to do.

It's a little concerning that I haven't heard anything about Bailiff getting fired on Twitter. Not even so much as a rumor right now. That wouldn't be expected in a world where he's getting fired.

If there's to be a change, I figure it will be at an announced press conference. Probably not on a Sunday. In the next 2-3 days, guessing.

It's my understanding that firings are typically announced by press release. Press conferences usually don't happen until the new guy is hired.

(11-27-2016 02:10 PM)Ranger Wrote:  At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I will also start to consider whether the powers that be at Rice are consciously trying to eliminate football from the Rice scene.

Hard to imagine anyone with that mindset allowing Patterson to be built.

There are some rumors that Tommy Herman would bring David on in some capacity at Texas if he is terminated at Rice. With that in mind, suppose instead of firing him we reassign him to some paper-ruffling position. He has a choice of taking that or going to Texas for perhaps somewhat less money (but not a hell of a lot less) and having some meaningful role. If that's truly on the table at Texas, then there is some negotiating leverage regarding any buyout. I would hope that is being explored now, and if so we won't hear anything until that is done.

For the older Owl alums, what were the low points for the Rice Football program in terms of competiveness? Having followed Rice for 50+ years I think we are at one now. If Bailiff stays there is absolutely no enthusiasm moving forward. One time, I would like to see Rice go after a coach who signals a real attempt at change and creates some interest. I suppose even Strong might be too expensive (?), but he would be motivated and might not have other head coaching opportunities for awhile. Having been at Louisville and UT, I think he still brings a lot of positives to a program. I know there are other names out there who would signal a new commitment to football excellence at Rice - Pillar 1.

(11-27-2016 02:39 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 02:10 PM)Ranger Wrote:  At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I will also start to consider whether the powers that be at Rice are consciously trying to eliminate football from the Rice scene.

Hard to imagine anyone with that mindset allowing Patterson to be built.

Good point. But that assumes some logic in the process.

I re-iterate a post from October. I would like to get word soon. Otherwise, I will be concerned that Rice will continue to be Rice and fail to do the necessary thing.

Merely sending a message that successive 5-7 and 3-9 seasons are not acceptable would be useful, regardless of where we go from there.

(11-27-2016 03:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Merely sending a message that successive 5-7 and 3-9 seasons are not acceptable would be useful, regardless of where we go from there.

Do you have any hope that Rice could do much better next year if DB remains? For all the former talk of his brilliance as a recruiter, it seems that the stable is fairly empty. If he leaves, his successor will have almost as big a re-building job as Rhoades has had. It will take two seasons probably to even begin to right the ship. Rice cannot afford any further delays.

(11-27-2016 03:24 PM)Ranger Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 03:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Merely sending a message that successive 5-7 and 3-9 seasons are not acceptable would be useful, regardless of where we go from there.

Do you have any hope that Rice could do much better next year if DB remains? For all the former talk of his brilliance as a recruiter, it seems that the stable is fairly empty. If he leaves, his successor will have almost as big a re-building job as Rhoades has had. It will take two seasons probably to even begin to right the ship. Rice cannot afford any further delays.

For the record, because the tone of your question suggests a different interpretation on your part, I am definitely in the fire David Bailiff camp. Have been since 2009-11, and quite frankly nothing even in 2012-14 has changed my mind. My point is that we've heard all the stuff about maybe the replacement would be worse. At this point, so what? Better to clarify expectations and take a chance.

No. I think there is more talent there than the record shows, but I don't think Bailiff can make the most of it. I could see taking a couple of years to rebuild, because I think a major culture change is necessary, and those seldom happen quickly.

It was my understanding that Bailiff was supposedly put on notice that he was coaching for his job this year. If this is what he gives us when he is coaching for his job, he certainly didn't earn the opportunity to continue.

Hey, we only gave up more than 50 points once this year. Progress!

(11-27-2016 03:24 PM)Ranger Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 03:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Merely sending a message that successive 5-7 and 3-9 seasons are not acceptable would be useful, regardless of where we go from there.

Do you have any hope that Rice could do much better next year if DB remains? For all the former talk of his brilliance as a recruiter, it seems that the stable is fairly empty. If he leaves, his successor will have almost as big a re-building job as Rhoades has had. It will take two seasons probably to even begin to right the ship. Rice cannot afford any further delays.

I actually think Glaesman has some Chase level ability. If he could actually be developed, I think we could have a chance to be good in 2018 and beyond. Obviously there is zero hope that this staff will develop him, but a good coach could.

(11-27-2016 04:32 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 03:24 PM)Ranger Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 03:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Merely sending a message that successive 5-7 and 3-9 seasons are not acceptable would be useful, regardless of where we go from there.

Do you have any hope that Rice could do much better next year if DB remains? For all the former talk of his brilliance as a recruiter, it seems that the stable is fairly empty. If he leaves, his successor will have almost as big a re-building job as Rhoades has had. It will take two seasons probably to even begin to right the ship. Rice cannot afford any further delays.

I actually think Glaesman has some Chase level ability. If he could actually be developed, I think we could have a chance to be good in 2018 and beyond. Obviously there is zero hope that this staff will develop him, but a good coach could.

Clement? McHargue?

(11-27-2016 04:41 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 04:32 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 03:24 PM)Ranger Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 03:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Merely sending a message that successive 5-7 and 3-9 seasons are not acceptable would be useful, regardless of where we go from there.

Do you have any hope that Rice could do much better next year if DB remains? For all the former talk of his brilliance as a recruiter, it seems that the stable is fairly empty. If he leaves, his successor will have almost as big a re-building job as Rhoades has had. It will take two seasons probably to even begin to right the ship. Rice cannot afford any further delays.

I actually think Glaesman has some Chase level ability. If he could actually be developed, I think we could have a chance to be good in 2018 and beyond. Obviously there is zero hope that this staff will develop him, but a good coach could.

Clement? McHargue?

Clement was not coached by anyone on the current staff. Also, he was already pretty good before Bailiff even got here. 21 TDs/5 ints in '06. But he sure didn't get worse under Herman, so credit there.

McHargue had his best passer rating as a freshman and threw nearly as many picks in his senior year as he did his previous 3 seasons combined , so not sure how much he really developed. Reagan/Beaty also were involved with his tutelage, and are no longer here. But sure, he is the best product this staff has put forth at QB.

(11-27-2016 02:39 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 02:10 PM)Ranger Wrote:  At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I will also start to consider whether the powers that be at Rice are consciously trying to eliminate football from the Rice scene.

Hard to imagine anyone with that mindset allowing Patterson to be built.

I hear ya but how much of Patterson was built on non donor funds?

(11-27-2016 04:56 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 02:39 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 02:10 PM)Ranger Wrote:  At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I will also start to consider whether the powers that be at Rice are consciously trying to eliminate football from the Rice scene.

Hard to imagine anyone with that mindset allowing Patterson to be built.

I hear ya but how much of Patterson was built on non donor funds?

About $2 million, IIRC.

(11-27-2016 02:54 PM)LonghornOwl Wrote:  For the older Owl alums, what were the low points for the Rice Football program in terms of competiveness? Having followed Rice for 50+ years I think we are at one now. If Bailiff stays there is absolutely no enthusiasm moving forward. One time, I would like to see Rice go after a coach who signals a real attempt at change and creates some interest. I suppose even Strong might be too expensive (?), but he would be motivated and might not have other head coaching opportunities for awhile. Having been at Louisville and UT, I think he still brings a lot of positives to a program. I know there are other names out there who would signal a new commitment to football excellence at Rice - Pillar 1.

Having missed only a few home games since 69, this is the lowest. Bad in the SWC is one thing, bad in this joke of a conference is a whole nother deal. At one time even late in Hatfield's time, I always felt, though we might not win, but that we could compete with anybody. Does anybody feel that way now or that we could against any team up to the top 75 (and there are plenty in Div 1AA that I doubt we could)?