ESPN was talking about where PJ Fleck of Western Michigan could end up. When someone mentioned Houston an ESPIN talking head said "Houston would be a lateral move". He went on to mention P5 schools for PJ. Aresco: ESPN, the partner of the AAC hasn't gotten the message about the P6 and G4 yet. Try harder.
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(11-25-2016 10:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  ESPN was talking about where PJ Fleck of Western Michigan could end up. When someone mentioned Houston an ESPIN talking head said "Houston would be a lateral move". He went on to mention P5 schools for PJ. Aresco: ESPN, the partner of the AAC hasn't gotten the message about the P6 and G4 yet. Try harder.
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Man you need a new team and conference to pull for,lol.

I'm not mad at anyone saying that but it is a bump up from the MAC to the AAC. This is their first really good team in well over a decade too.

I can think of at least a $million reasons Fleck would likely move.

Houston is one of the best, if not THE best, non P5 jobs. It's a P5 caliber job. As a coach, you would have everything you need to be successful.

(11-26-2016 03:25 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm mad at anyone saying that but it is a bump up from the MAC to the AAC. This is their first really good team in well over a decade too.

Cincinnati kept stealing Central Michigan's coaches before passing them on to the P5.

Anyone who thinks WMU to Houston is a lateral move, should be fired for complete stupidity.

(11-26-2016 10:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 03:25 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm mad at anyone saying that but it is a bump up from the MAC to the AAC. This is their first really good team in well over a decade too.

Cincinnati kept stealing Central Michigan's coaches before passing them on to the P5.

Cincinnati is another place that Fleck could go, if he doesn't land a P5 job this year.

(11-26-2016 10:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 03:25 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm mad at anyone saying that but it is a bump up from the MAC to the AAC. This is their first really good team in well over a decade too.

Cincinnati kept stealing Central Michigan's coaches before passing them on to the P5.

FWIW, the Big East was a BCS conference at the time.

There is precedent for MAC coaches making a 'lateral' move, like Urban Meyer going from BG to Utah. Lateral being of course in the sense that they were both non-BCS at the time (or non-P5 today) even if the programs were on different levels in reality.

(11-26-2016 04:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 10:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 03:25 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm mad at anyone saying that but it is a bump up from the MAC to the AAC. This is their first really good team in well over a decade too.

Cincinnati kept stealing Central Michigan's coaches before passing them on to the P5.

FWIW, the Big East was a BCS conference at the time.

There is precedent for MAC coaches making a 'lateral' move, like Urban Meyer going from BG to Utah. Lateral being of course in the sense that they were both non-BCS at the time (or non-P5 today) even if the programs were on different levels in reality.

To my knowledge Cincinnati has never had problems taking MAC-level head coaches even before the Big East years. We took a coach from the Big West in the 80s (before the Big West got demoted to D1AA). Further back, we took two coaches from Miami in the 40s, one from Xavier in the 30s, and one each from Akron and Arkansas in the 20s.

Although in full disclosure - we did lose a head coach to Harvard in the 1990s. He's still there (and he's had 3 undefeated seasons with the Crimson)

The idea of Fleck to Houston is growing on me.

1) More upside here than the smaller P5 programs. A legit chance of reaching the playoff.

2) At WMU he had Top 50 classes and would walk into a situation where the recruiting is even better unlike the boring old B1G schools.

3) Texas schools $$$ coaches well. Baylor's coach makes a ton of money. Fleck could cash in at Houston.

4) Springboard to a Top Tier P5 job. Fleck is only 35 and could use a few more years of seasoning. Houston is a place where he can do it.

(11-26-2016 03:25 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm not mad at anyone saying that but it is a bump up from the MAC to the AAC. This is their first really good team in well over a decade too.

Especially if you are talking the Texas and Florida jobs in the AAC where the sky is the limit in recruiting.

Tulane or Tulsa not so much, IMO.

(11-26-2016 01:54 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2016 10:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  ESPN was talking about where PJ Fleck of Western Michigan could end up. When someone mentioned Houston an ESPIN talking head said "Houston would be a lateral move". He went on to mention P5 schools for PJ. Aresco: ESPN, the partner of the AAC hasn't gotten the message about the P6 and G4 yet. Try harder.
Cheers!

Man you need a new team and conference to pull for,lol.

I don't get it
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(11-26-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Anyone who thinks WMU to Houston is a lateral move, should be fired for complete stupidity.

I agree. Obviously, it's not a lateral move. Houston is historically a major football program. It would be a big step up. I don't recall how ESPIN covered the Urban Meyer move from BG to Utah in 2003, but any observant fan of college football understood Utah was a big step up for Meyer. Salary is not the only thing to look at, Atletic Budgets, assistant coaches salaries, attendence etc etc. Of course PJ Fleck would be getting an upgrade from WMU to Houston. p5/G5 labels aside, it doesn't take an expert to figure out the what coaching jobs are better.
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The only MAC programs with some serious clout that aren't redundant regional schools are Toledo and Northern Illinois. Miami gets some respect, especially academically, but they haven't been consistently up for some time.

(11-27-2016 02:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The only MAC programs with some serious clout that aren't redundant regional schools are Toledo and Northern Illinois. Miami gets some respect, especially academically, but they haven't been consistently up for some time.

That's true, but it's changing. We're finally going bowling with one of the youngest teams in college football after having the worst team in FBS back in 2013, and by the new year we'll have a $27MM football facility to go along with our year-old IPF with suites on the drawing board and some of the highest salaries in the MAC. And as much as I don't like to admit it, OU probably fits into that category too, a lot moreso than NIU.

Fleck only makes $800. UH could double or triple his salary. That said, I don't think he really fits Houston because his recruiting base in in the Midwest. Good fit for Cinci.

(11-26-2016 09:34 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Houston is one of the best, if not THE best, non P5 jobs. It's a P5 caliber job. As a coach, you would have everything you need to be successful.

Half of p5 is not p5. What a crock of espn bull shite.

Fleck makes a little over $1m this year with all the bonuses.

WMU is looking to give him $2m or a little over that for the next years to come. So no, he's not going to go to Houston based on $$.

If Houston was on its way to the B12 in a few years, that would be a different story -- Fleck may want to go. However, if that were the case, Herman would have stayed with a pay raise @ Houston (and Houston could afford it going into B12).

Fleck won't go to any AAC school for the same reason that Archie Miller won't leave Dayton for any AAC school.