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CrapUSA well represented with 5 teams.......
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(11-23-2016 01:03 PM)99beers Wrote:  CrapUSA well represented with 5 teams.......

If the season was two weeks longer, we'd be on it.
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...we were 108. just made the cut....Hell YEAH!
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(11-23-2016 02:23 PM)mlytc Wrote:  
(11-23-2016 01:03 PM)99beers Wrote:  CrapUSA well represented with 5 teams.......

If the season was two weeks longer, we'd be on it.


We will be on it next week
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Weird how Hopson and Pecoraro were so good at their last job but so terrible here. I guess it must be much easier to be a coach at a smaller school like Alcorn State, or, say, just for example, The Citadel.
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(11-23-2016 05:14 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Weird how Hopson and Pecoraro were so good at their last job but so terrible here. I guess it must be much easier to be a coach at a smaller school like Alcorn State, or, say, just for example, The Citadel.

Hell, Ellis sucked at the Citadel, too, and had a losing record his only season at Gardner-Webb before that. His high-water mark in 4 seasons as a head coach was a 6-6 season at the Citadel. He was 17-28 as a HC when we hired him (and by "we," I of course mean "Saunders and the interim AD who had to go along with it if he wanted to keep the job").
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(11-23-2016 09:38 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(11-23-2016 05:14 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Weird how Hopson and Pecoraro were so good at their last job but so terrible here. I guess it must be much easier to be a coach at a smaller school like Alcorn State, or, say, just for example, The Citadel.

Hell, Ellis sucked at the Citadel, too, and had a losing record his only season at Gardner-Webb before that. His high-water mark in 4 seasons as a head coach was a 6-6 season at the Citadel. He was 17-28 as a HC when we hired him (and by "we," I of course mean "Saunders and the interim AD who had to go along with it if he wanted to keep the job").

I was actually impressed that he went 6-6 at The Citadel. That place has got to be a tough sell for recruits. "Yeah, but if you come *here*, you get to march around the quad!"
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(11-24-2016 08:46 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-23-2016 09:38 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(11-23-2016 05:14 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Weird how Hopson and Pecoraro were so good at their last job but so terrible here. I guess it must be much easier to be a coach at a smaller school like Alcorn State, or, say, just for example, The Citadel.

Hell, Ellis sucked at the Citadel, too, and had a losing record his only season at Gardner-Webb before that. His high-water mark in 4 seasons as a head coach was a 6-6 season at the Citadel. He was 17-28 as a HC when we hired him (and by "we," I of course mean "Saunders and the interim AD who had to go along with it if he wanted to keep the job").

I was actually impressed that he went 6-6 at The Citadel. That place has got to be a tough sell for recruits. "Yeah, but if you come *here*, you get to march around the quad!"

Speaking of the citadel and other coaches....mike houston would be a good head coach for us. Not many ties in deep south but couldn't recruit much worse than JH currently is.
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Wait to see how his recruits perform. Outside of about 2 years, we've never done well in recruiting rankings. The current class is on par with or better on paper than just about every other class we've had. Do I think it's a great class on paper ? No but you can't act like recruiting is going terrible because it's no worse than most classes we bring in.
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(11-24-2016 10:59 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  
(11-24-2016 08:46 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-23-2016 09:38 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(11-23-2016 05:14 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Weird how Hopson and Pecoraro were so good at their last job but so terrible here. I guess it must be much easier to be a coach at a smaller school like Alcorn State, or, say, just for example, The Citadel.

Hell, Ellis sucked at the Citadel, too, and had a losing record his only season at Gardner-Webb before that. His high-water mark in 4 seasons as a head coach was a 6-6 season at the Citadel. He was 17-28 as a HC when we hired him (and by "we," I of course mean "Saunders and the interim AD who had to go along with it if he wanted to keep the job").

I was actually impressed that he went 6-6 at The Citadel. That place has got to be a tough sell for recruits. "Yeah, but if you come *here*, you get to march around the quad!"

Speaking of the citadel and other coaches....mike houston would be a good head coach for us. Not many ties in deep south but couldn't recruit much worse than JH currently is.

He's a "defense guy" though, right?
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(11-24-2016 07:06 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  Wait to see how his recruits perform. Outside of about 2 years, we've never done well in recruiting rankings. The current class is on par with or better on paper than just about every other class we've had. Do I think it's a great class on paper ? No but you can't act like recruiting is going terrible because it's no worse than most classes we bring in.

15 years ago, I'd agree, but with all the information that's so readily available now, not many guys escape competent evaluation. Recruiting ratings have actually gotten to be a pretty accurate predictor of success. Don't overlook how those 2 good years translated to our only conference championship and poll appearances from 2003 through now.
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The 2008 class was our highest ranked ever. But other than Deandre, none of the other high profile kids did anything because most of them didn't make it to campus. No player from the 2008 class ever played a snap in the NFL. If you went back and re ranked it based on who made it to campus, that class would be closer to 50, and that's with Deandre. I think there were only 7 kids in that class that played a full 4 years here. Between Jucos and attrition that class left us with major holes in the roster a few years later. I'll catch heat for that statement, but go back and look at that class. The only freshmen from that class that played out their eligibility here were Darius Barnes, Desomond Johnson, Quentin Pierce, Joe Duhon, Kendrick Presley, Terrance Pope, and Austin Quattrochi. The rest were either Juco role players, never made it to campus, or quit. Each year you get to give 25 schollys. That year we brought in 18 freshman and 7 Jucos. Only 7 out of 18 freshmen played here for 4 years. We cannot have a 7 out of 18 success rate and sustain success here. It looked good on paper, but 2008 ended up being a terrible class.

My point in all this is to say that at a school like Southern Miss, or any G5 school for that matter, recruiting rankings aren't as important as at P5 schools. Yes I would rather be ranked in the top 35 than where we are now. But that isn't very realistic. And the one class we had that did approach that, shouldn't have been ranked that high. If we were ranked dead last or near it in recruiting I would obviously be very concerned. But in our area of the rankings there is very little seperation. The difference in being ranked #60 and #75 isn't anywhere near the difference between being #10 and #25. At our level, the difference between between 5-10 spots can be simply caused by one evaluator giving 2 kids a 5.5 rating instead of a 5.4. That would make them 3 stars instead of 2 stars. The vast majority of G5 recruits are 2 stars. And I don't think Rivals spends much time trying to decide who has better 2 stars committed.

In our situation (C-USA), I tend to look at the rankings in tiers. I would love to be in the tier from about 40-55. But as long as we are not below 100 it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Once you get past about spot 50, everybody is looking for diamonds in the rough and it's just a matter of who evaluates the best.

Would I rather be ranked higher ? Yes, but unless we fall to the bottom 25 or so it's not too concerning. Go look at Boise and Northern Illinois recruiting rankings over the last several years. The G5 blueprint is to do a better job of evaluating than other schools for the 2 stars and hope to pluck 1 or 2 4 stars or highly rated 3s each year.
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Your previous post made reference to 2 years. The dissertation on 2008 was nice as well as truthful, but that's only one year. What about the other? What did those guys do as players?

It's true that most G5 classes are going to be majority 2-stars, but therein lies the rub: getting that handful of 3s or not makes all the difference. That was where those Fedora classes stood out (this is another topic upon which Matt Hinton then Dr Saturday did an in-depth piece). You take the average ranking of your recruits up from the low 2s to the high 2s, and that's enough to make a noticeable impact when those guys are on the field.
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If a guy is a 5.7 3 star I get a little excited. But if he's 5.5 then I don't really look at him any different than the 2 stars. I watch their film and make my own judgements. For example, Freddie Hartz is the name that jumps out in our class. I like him, but he's not one of my 3 or 4 favorite players in this class. He's big and athletic but I think he's pretty raw and may take a couple years to learn to be a true linebacker. My favorites in this class are T'Rod Daniels, Latham, Kevontaye Caston, and Robert Reeves.
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