(11-22-2016 03:45 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: Honest question: How many fans need to attend a bowl game for the support to be considered "good?"
Obviously, the matchup and location are big factors.
Our first bowl game we had around 5k there in Detroit with snow coming down....Next bowl in the Bahamas probably around 500, Bowl last season maybe 2k in Miami? Will depend on where you are going, obviously Hawaii and Bahamas will not have a ton of fans there...
(This post was last modified: 11-22-2016 03:50 PM by WKUFan518.)
This. Tech had over 40k at our first bowl game against Maryland, but that was down the road in Shreveport.
Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
(This post was last modified: 11-22-2016 04:05 PM by WKUFan518.)
(11-22-2016 03:45 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: Honest question: How many fans need to attend a bowl game for the support to be considered "good?"
Obviously, the matchup and location are big factors.
Our first bowl game we had around 5k there in Detroit with snow coming down....Next bowl in the Bahamas probably around 500, Bowl last season maybe 2k in Miami? Will depend on where you are going, obviously Hawaii and Bahamas will not have a ton of fans there...
I could be wrong, but didn't WKU announce that something like 4k tickets were sold for Miami? I attended both Detroit and Miami and thought there were definitely more fans at Miami
(11-22-2016 03:45 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: Honest question: How many fans need to attend a bowl game for the support to be considered "good?"
Obviously, the matchup and location are big factors.
Our first bowl game we had around 5k there in Detroit with snow coming down....Next bowl in the Bahamas probably around 500, Bowl last season maybe 2k in Miami? Will depend on where you are going, obviously Hawaii and Bahamas will not have a ton of fans there...
Western had as many if not more fans in Miami last year as Detroit...
but to be honest that will be about Western's limit unless the game is a hour away.
I would put last years number over 5k
Snow wasn't just fallen in Detroit...almost blizzard conditions the early morning (12-1am) of game day and through it. We left Fla the day before the game and drove up to Holland Mich. to see a nephew and over to Detroit on game day.
A short 2.5 hour drive turned into a 6 hour drive and getting there 60 minutes before the game. It was snowing a lot harder coming up from the south. We left right after the game and drove back home to Ownesboro because we were going back to Fla the next day to finish our holiday vacation. Best time to drove in snowy conditions is late at night..you are the only fool on the road. Other than a few trucks.
I would say anything around 20% of your fanbase is a great turnout for a game over 6+ hours away
This. Tech had over 40k at our first bowl game against Maryland, but that was down the road in Shreveport.
Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
If the weather holds off then I fully expect 35k+ for Tech at the CCG if it's in Shreveport. In 2008 we had 40k+ for the bowl game as well. Don't ask why, but for whatever reason everyone shows up to Shreveport that can only make one or two games in Ruston.
Independence Stadium seats 59k and the only area that was sparse was the South end zone (to the right). NIU might have had 2k there, but that is being generous.
(This post was last modified: 11-22-2016 04:26 PM by SICemDAWGS!.)
This. Tech had over 40k at our first bowl game against Maryland, but that was down the road in Shreveport.
Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
If the weather holds off then I fully expect 35k+ for Tech at the CCG if it's in Shreveport. In 2008 we had 40k+ for the bowl game as well. Don't ask why, but for whatever reason everyone shows up to Shreveport that can only make one or two games in Ruston.
Independence Stadium seats 59k and the only area that was sparse was the South end zone (to the right). NIU might have had 2k there, but that is being generous.
Why doesn't LA Tech play at least one home game there every year?
This. Tech had over 40k at our first bowl game against Maryland, but that was down the road in Shreveport.
Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
No, LA Tech won't have that many for a CCG in Shreveport. Simply put, there's not enough marketing time. With a bowl game --or even a regular season game-- there's plenty of time to "market" the upcoming game to locals, and you know well in advance who the participants are. This CCG game just isn't afforded that same marketing lead time, and the EAST participant is being announced very late. I expect between 20K and 25K Tech fans in Shreveport if we are lucky. Then again, we've never played in a CCG in Shreveport, so I could get a big surprise.
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This. Tech had over 40k at our first bowl game against Maryland, but that was down the road in Shreveport.
Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
If the weather holds off then I fully expect 35k+ for Tech at the CCG if it's in Shreveport. In 2008 we had 40k+ for the bowl game as well. Don't ask why, but for whatever reason everyone shows up to Shreveport that can only make one or two games in Ruston.
Independence Stadium seats 59k and the only area that was sparse was the South end zone (to the right). NIU might have had 2k there, but that is being generous.
Why doesn't LA Tech play at least one home game there every year?
We have at various times in our history. From Wikapedia:
Quote:Louisiana Tech occasionally hosts games at Independence Stadium in Shreveport, Louisiana. The Bulldogs have played 71 games in Independence Stadium including 4 trips to the Independence Bowl and have produced an all-time record of 45–23–3 at Independence Stadium. Tech has hosted many teams in Independence Stadium during the regular season including Southern Miss, North Texas, Tulsa, Houston, Baylor, California, Texas A&M, SMU, Oklahoma State, Miami, UTEP, and Grambling State. Louisiana Tech's regular season home attendance record of 43,279 was set in 2003 against the Miami Hurricanes in a nationally televised game on ESPN. The 1990 Independence Bowl featuring Tech and Maryland drew 48,325 fans, the record attendance for a Louisiana Tech game in Independence Stadium. The stadium's capacity is 50,459. During the 2012 season, No. 23 Louisiana Tech hosted No. 22 Texas A&M in Independence Stadium on ESPNU in an epic battle in which the Aggies led by Johnny Manziel prevailed, 59-57.This game was ranked by ESPN as the No. 8 game of the 2012 season.
This. Tech had over 40k at our first bowl game against Maryland, but that was down the road in Shreveport.
Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
If the weather holds off then I fully expect 35k+ for Tech at the CCG if it's in Shreveport. In 2008 we had 40k+ for the bowl game as well. Don't ask why, but for whatever reason everyone shows up to Shreveport that can only make one or two games in Ruston.
Independence Stadium seats 59k and the only area that was sparse was the South end zone (to the right). NIU might have had 2k there, but that is being generous.
Why doesn't LA Tech play at least one home game there every year?
Having floated similar ideas among USM fans, I can tell you that there's a significant part of our fan base that wants to have as many true home games (i.e. games in M.M. Roberts Stadium) as possible. They don't care if we can get better opponents at Ladd-Peebles or the Superdome. They don't care if it will help the program financially or help expand the fan base to play elsewhere. These people won't drive to Mobile, New Orleans, or Jackson for a game under any circumstance. They suck (and I could even call out people here), but these people exist and may even be in the majority at some schools.
(11-22-2016 03:59 PM)SICemDAWGS! Wrote: This. Tech had over 40k at our first bowl game against Maryland, but that was down the road in Shreveport.
Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
If the weather holds off then I fully expect 35k+ for Tech at the CCG if it's in Shreveport. In 2008 we had 40k+ for the bowl game as well. Don't ask why, but for whatever reason everyone shows up to Shreveport that can only make one or two games in Ruston.
Independence Stadium seats 59k and the only area that was sparse was the South end zone (to the right). NIU might have had 2k there, but that is being generous.
Why doesn't LA Tech play at least one home game there every year?
Having floated similar ideas among USM fans, I can tell you that there's a significant part of our fan base that wants to have as many true home games (i.e. games in M.M. Roberts Stadium) as possible. They don't care if we can get better opponents at Ladd-Peebles or the Superdome. They don't care if it will help the program financially or help expand the fan base to play elsewhere. These people won't drive to Mobile, New Orleans, or Jackson for a game under any circumstance. They suck (and I could even call out people here), but these people exist and may even be in the majority at some schools.
Same here. I don't think you'll see Tech playing another regular season game in Shreveport. There are a group of fans that are dead set against it. The last game we played there was great with a big game atmosphere.
(11-22-2016 04:04 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote: Seriously 40K? You don't have half of that in your own stadium? So if its WKU vs. La. Tech for CUSA title,we can expect 40k at game or not more then 10k?
If the weather holds off then I fully expect 35k+ for Tech at the CCG if it's in Shreveport. In 2008 we had 40k+ for the bowl game as well. Don't ask why, but for whatever reason everyone shows up to Shreveport that can only make one or two games in Ruston.
Independence Stadium seats 59k and the only area that was sparse was the South end zone (to the right). NIU might have had 2k there, but that is being generous.
Why doesn't LA Tech play at least one home game there every year?
Having floated similar ideas among USM fans, I can tell you that there's a significant part of our fan base that wants to have as many true home games (i.e. games in M.M. Roberts Stadium) as possible. They don't care if we can get better opponents at Ladd-Peebles or the Superdome. They don't care if it will help the program financially or help expand the fan base to play elsewhere. These people won't drive to Mobile, New Orleans, or Jackson for a game under any circumstance. They suck (and I could even call out people here), but these people exist and may even be in the majority at some schools.
Same here. I don't think you'll see Tech playing another regular season game in Shreveport. There are a group of fans that are dead set against it. The last game we played there was great with a big game atmosphere.
It has to be the right opponent.
Which is why we won't have 40K against WKU (even for a conference championship). That crowd against Maryland was for our first bowl at the current version of FBS (we played in the Indy Bowl in 1977 in front of a much smaller crowd). You've also got to factor that like most bowl games you get people who buy tickets regardless of who is playing, which sets a baseline for the bowl that isn't there for a regular season game. And even a regular season game has the advantage of pre-marketing for a long time (unlike a conference championship game that won't technically be determined until Friday afternoon).
When we play an A&M, Oklahoma State, Cal, or Miami it makes sense to play in Shreveport because our stadium only seats 30K. But when we have tried to play conference games there, you just end up with the same (or fewer) people in a bigger stadium (which looks worse).
It's not the end of the world to play in Shreveport, but it isn't nearly as good of an experience. When the stars align it's a nice option to have.
(11-22-2016 04:17 PM)SICemDAWGS! Wrote: If the weather holds off then I fully expect 35k+ for Tech at the CCG if it's in Shreveport. In 2008 we had 40k+ for the bowl game as well. Don't ask why, but for whatever reason everyone shows up to Shreveport that can only make one or two games in Ruston.
Independence Stadium seats 59k and the only area that was sparse was the South end zone (to the right). NIU might have had 2k there, but that is being generous.
Why doesn't LA Tech play at least one home game there every year?
Having floated similar ideas among USM fans, I can tell you that there's a significant part of our fan base that wants to have as many true home games (i.e. games in M.M. Roberts Stadium) as possible. They don't care if we can get better opponents at Ladd-Peebles or the Superdome. They don't care if it will help the program financially or help expand the fan base to play elsewhere. These people won't drive to Mobile, New Orleans, or Jackson for a game under any circumstance. They suck (and I could even call out people here), but these people exist and may even be in the majority at some schools.
Same here. I don't think you'll see Tech playing another regular season game in Shreveport. There are a group of fans that are dead set against it. The last game we played there was great with a big game atmosphere.
It has to be the right opponent.
Which is why we won't have 40K against WKU (even for a conference championship). That crowd against Maryland was for our first bowl at the current version of FBS (we played in the Indy Bowl in 1977 in front of a much smaller crowd). You've also got to factor that like most bowl games you get people who buy tickets regardless of who is playing, which sets a baseline for the bowl that isn't there for a regular season game. And even a regular season game has the advantage of pre-marketing for a long time (unlike a conference championship game that won't technically be determined until Friday afternoon).
When we play an A&M, Oklahoma State, Cal, or Miami it makes sense to play in Shreveport because our stadium only seats 30K. But when we have tried to play conference games there, you just end up with the same (or fewer) people in a bigger stadium (which looks worse).
It's not the end of the world to play in Shreveport, but it isn't nearly as good of an experience. When the stars align it's a nice option to have.
You've also got lazy non-football fan students that will go to the Joe because they get to yell and let loose, but probably won't want to go an hour away. I don't like such people, but they exist.
Playing big name teams in Shreveport I see as both good and bad. The good side is that people in Shreveport that aren't necessarily Tech fans can see an ad saying "Oh hey! Tech is playing Texas A&M here in Shreveport. I guess I'll go check that out." You also get casual alumni that aren't huge football fans that say "oh, we're playing here in Shreveport? Sure, I'll go."
The bad is that, as I said above, some lazy students may not come and it feels (to me) disrespectful that we can't host a big name school in our own stadium. I personally would love to see those big schools in the Joe. I understand Independence is larger, but I would still vastly prefer seeing them in the Joe, especially seeing the Joe full.
Also, I've never been to Independence, but I've heard that some Tech fans don't like that stadium. True?
For G5 teams, those who back into a bowl at 6 - 6 5,000 would be great. for those with 7 - 9 wins I would expect closer to 10,000 and when teams have a 10 win or higher season over 10,000. For that G5 team that lands the New Years Day bowl I would expect that number to be closer to 20,000.
As someone posted proximity matters, teams in the east that get stuck in bowls west of the Mississippi unless it's the Fiesta Bowl do well to take 5,000 to a game.
Definitely have a feeling we'll get put somewhere not remotely close and it's unfortunate that a lot of fans won't be able to go our teams first bowl game
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