(12-06-2016 10:38 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 05:00 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Link

From 1907 to 1965 NC State played in Riddick Stadium at the heart of what is now Central Campus. Initially it only had stands on one side so I'm guessing capacity was 8k or so. Probably adequate for the time. However, bcause of the depression there just wasn't any money to expand so State began falling behind.

Eventually capacity reached around 20k. Carter (later Carter-Finley) stadium was built on West Campus and offered more than twice the capacity, easier access and actual parking.

Carter Finley is considered on the campus of NC State?

It was constructed on top of the old Biology Pond which was campus land. The Vet School is also out there. The Basketball Arena is connected to the Football Stadium, which is connected to the Vet School, which is connected to the faculty club, which is connected to the Arboretum which is connected to the Method Road soccer complex by a secret road under US 1.

The stadium is on campus, but it doesn't look like it is on campus. Personal I don't think of any of what I sited as being "on campus", and that's before you even begin to talk about Centennial Campus south of Wade Avenue.

The football stadium is like Finley Golf Course at UNC. It's on campus, but you don't perceive it that way.

(12-06-2016 10:36 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:52 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  You also have a good president who happens to be a UMBC grad. I wish we had him in College Park.

what makes him great? I thought it was a weird hire. I'd rather the school hire Clemson grads.

he seems to mostly just virtue signal about things, like the bathroom policy in NC.

You have to be damn careful hiring alums for jobs that you eventually need to be fired from. You also have to cross-pollinate to stay fresh. You don't want your top man to be a prior buddy of the faculty senate, the booster club, the local real estate cabal, etc., etc. Because then he will be more constrained in the decisions he needs to make, especially when the dead wood has to be cut.

(12-07-2016 03:32 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 10:38 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 05:00 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Link

From 1907 to 1965 NC State played in Riddick Stadium at the heart of what is now Central Campus. Initially it only had stands on one side so I'm guessing capacity was 8k or so. Probably adequate for the time. However, bcause of the depression there just wasn't any money to expand so State began falling behind.

Eventually capacity reached around 20k. Carter (later Carter-Finley) stadium was built on West Campus and offered more than twice the capacity, easier access and actual parking.

Carter Finley is considered on the campus of NC State?

It was constructed on top of the old Biology Pond which was campus land. The Vet School is also out there. The Basketball Arena is connected to the Football Stadium, which is connected to the Vet School, which is connected to the faculty club, which is connected to the Arboretum which is connected to the Method Road soccer complex by a secret road under US 1.

The stadium is on campus, but it doesn't look like it is on campus. Personal I don't think of any of what I sited as being "on campus", and that's before you even begin to talk about Centennial Campus south of Wade Avenue.

The football stadium is like Finley Golf Course at UNC. It's on campus, but you don't perceive it that way.

Map

As you can see in this map, the campuses are somewhat disconnected but fairly close. I think Riddick might have been on what this map shows as North Campus.

They also have facilities in the gray areas. I'm not sure if those areas are actually owned by the University. I think they also have a campus at the coast. It's probably more of a building with a boat dock that is used by marine sciences.

(12-07-2016 01:11 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 12:51 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 10:36 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:52 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  You also have a good president who happens to be a UMBC grad. I wish we had him in College Park.

what makes him great? I thought it was a weird hire. I'd rather the school hire Clemson grads.

he seems to mostly just virtue signal about things, like the bathroom policy in NC.

He doesn't think academics and big time college football are incompatible. The administrators at Maryland barely tolerate football. It's ok to win the conference championship occasionally but any ambitions beyond that are quickly put to rest.

i don't think that is true. why would they be opposed to a winning football team.

i think there is less interest among the students at Maryland for football, more Asian kidss, more foreign kids, etc similar to G Tech.

even if Clemson's president thought football and academics were incompatible, what could he do about it. it is going to be a big deal at Clemson regardless of what president thinks about it.

The administration is not opposed to winning football. It’s just opposed to and leery of big time college football. On three separate occasions, the administration chose to de-emphasize football:

(1) In the mid-1950s, after the university president and former football HC/AD resigned to pursue politics.

(2) In the mid-1980s, the administration instituted admission restriction that caused Bobby Ross to leave.

(3) In 2010, the administration brought in Randy Edsall to impose discipline, both academic and behavioral.

As for diversity, there's a substantially greater presence of Asian and foreign students. But, among Whites, there are substantially fewer blue collar, first generation college students. I think these wealthier students have a greater interest in electronic gadgets and social media than live football.

(12-06-2016 09:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 07:51 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I never knew that Jim Valvano was forced out. That's really sad. NC State could try to break away from the UNC system, but there would be a lot of red tape, and a lot of disadvantages too. A better idea would be getting a more supportive BOG & a more supportive state legislature, like you said earlier. As for East Carolina, that's just your competition, and nothing can be done about that.

It seems like NC State needs to form a coalition with East Carolina to overcome this UNC bias in the North Carolina state government.

When I first moved to North Carolina, my brother in law, an NC State alum, gave me his advice about the lay of the land on Tobacco Road. First, he said, people around here won't allow you to be neutral in your fandom. You have two choices, he told me. You can be a Carolina fan or an ABC (Anybody But Carolina) fan. ABC fans root for different teams, like Duke, State, Wake or ECU. But unless you accept as gospel truth that UNC is the devil incarnate, whose only mission in life is to hold State and ECU down, then you are by their definition a Carolina fan, whether you root for them or not.

He went on to explain, that not all State alums and fans are paranoid, but a lot of them are. Being a victim of UNC's perfidy is an important part of their self image, and they will cling to that until the day they die. There is nothing you can do to change that.

Living near Raleigh and the State campus, many of my friends had close ties to NC State, most of them as members of the State faculty or employees of the school. Those faculty members had one thing in common. They were deeply embarrassed by what the State basketball program had become under Jim Valvano, and actively lobbied the Chancellor to fire him. To be sure theirs weren't the only voices opposed to Valvano, and embarrassed by him. But these people weren't pawns of the UNC BOT.

A mentor in my professional career, whose school ties were with Wake, Duke and Virginia, and who had close personal connections with top ACC officials, told me two things the day that he heard Valvano, whom he had known for several years, had been hired by State. He will win basketball games, he said, and he will embarrass his school. The guy knew his stuff.

(12-08-2016 01:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 09:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 07:51 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I never knew that Jim Valvano was forced out. That's really sad. NC State could try to break away from the UNC system, but there would be a lot of red tape, and a lot of disadvantages too. A better idea would be getting a more supportive BOG & a more supportive state legislature, like you said earlier. As for East Carolina, that's just your competition, and nothing can be done about that.

It seems like NC State needs to form a coalition with East Carolina to overcome this UNC bias in the North Carolina state government.

When I first moved to North Carolina, my brother in law, an NC State alum, gave me his advice about the lay of the land on Tobacco Road. First, he said, people around here won't allow you to be neutral in your fandom. You have two choices, he told me. You can be a Carolina fan or an ABC (Anybody But Carolina) fan. ABC fans root for different teams, like Duke, State, Wake or ECU. But unless you accept as gospel truth that UNC is the devil incarnate, whose only mission in life is to hold State and ECU down, then you are by their definition a Carolina fan, whether you root for them or not.

He went on to explain, that not all State alums and fans are paranoid, but a lot of them are. Being a victim of UNC's perfidy is an important part of their self image, and they will cling to that until the day they die. There is nothing you can do to change that.

Living near Raleigh and the State campus, many of my friends had close ties to NC State, most of them as members of the State faculty or employees of the school. Those faculty members had one thing in common. They were deeply embarrassed by what the State basketball program had become under Jim Valvano, and actively lobbied the Chancellor to fire him. To be sure theirs weren't the only voices opposed to Valvano, and embarrassed by him. But these people weren't pawns of the UNC BOT.

A mentor in my professional career, whose school ties were with Wake, Duke and Virginia, and who had close personal connections with top ACC officials, told me two things the day that he heard Valvano, whom he had known for several years, had been hired by State. He will win basketball games, he said, and he will embarrass his school. The guy knew his stuff.

Ken, we already know you a shill for UNC. Tell me Valvano have a cheating program set up with a phony major? Did he allow drug dealers and to live free in a house he owns? Did he allow his players to break the law and continue to play?

When the NCAA investigate they found some players sold their shoes for money. The NCAA investigator praised Valvano. The UNC system found nothing other than some players not making academic progress, players who flunked out. I guess the Carolina way would be to do their work for them and give them a degree.

Your act pretending to be something you aren't is old Ken. You aren't some dispassionate neutral observer, you are a shill, nothing more.

What Ken is covering up is that the massive cheating at UNC started when Valvano and K eclipsed what Dean was doing. To get the players that he needed to beat Duke and NC State, Smith had to change the curriculum to keep them enrolled - I had classes with some. When that same dumb kid enrolled at State he made it 2 years and flunked out, at UNC he got a degree. You can debate the ethics all you want. Getting rid of Valvano was key to sinking State's basketball and football program as he was AD and Coach. It was personal and political from the UNC BOG Chair who was representing UNC-Ch's interests and another private University had him on the payroll. It was also about real estate in Raleigh and Cary regarding where the new basketball stadium would be built.

Ken, if you had really been around at the time, you might know something other than having second hand bull**** to distribute.

What really is puzzling is that folks like Kap, XLance, ECU and others don't hide and pretend to be something they aren't. To hide suggests an agenda.

nc state has a pretty nice campus. i'm suprised it consistently makes those 'most ugly campuses' lists. i like the architecture on some of the old buildings near the court of the carolinas.

(12-08-2016 03:44 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  What Ken is covering up is that the massive cheating at UNC started when Valvano and K eclipsed what Dean was doing. To get the players that he needed to beat Duke and NC State, Smith had to change the curriculum to keep them enrolled - I had classes with some. When that same dumb kid enrolled at State he made it 2 years and flunked out, at UNC he got a degree. You can debate the ethics all you want. Getting rid of Valvano was key to sinking State's basketball and football program as he was AD and Coach. It was personal and political from the UNC BOG Chair who was representing UNC-Ch's interests and another private University had him on the payroll. It was also about real estate in Raleigh and Cary regarding where the new basketball stadium would be built.

Ken, if you had really been around at the time, you might know something other than having second hand bull**** to distribute.

What really is puzzling is that folks like Kap, XLance, ECU and others don't hide and pretend to be something they aren't. To hide suggests an agenda.

I do enjoy your delusional rants. Keep 'em coming.

(12-08-2016 05:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 03:44 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  What Ken is covering up is that the massive cheating at UNC started when Valvano and K eclipsed what Dean was doing. To get the players that he needed to beat Duke and NC State, Smith had to change the curriculum to keep them enrolled - I had classes with some. When that same dumb kid enrolled at State he made it 2 years and flunked out, at UNC he got a degree. You can debate the ethics all you want. Getting rid of Valvano was key to sinking State's basketball and football program as he was AD and Coach. It was personal and political from the UNC BOG Chair who was representing UNC-Ch's interests and another private University had him on the payroll. It was also about real estate in Raleigh and Cary regarding where the new basketball stadium would be built.

Ken, if you had really been around at the time, you might know something other than having second hand bull**** to distribute.

What really is puzzling is that folks like Kap, XLance, ECU and others don't hide and pretend to be something they aren't. To hide suggests an agenda.

I do enjoy your delusional rants. Keep 'em coming.

Be a man and admit the truth instead of a puss.

know this is getting off topic but really what is there is to say about NCSU football right now. :)

i am wondering if anybody can tell me where the engineering buildings used to be located prior to moving to the new campus. the new campus is ok but feels corporate office parky to me and if i was a NCSU i wud have preferred to take my classes on the main campus.