It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).

I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.

However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.

What are your thoughts?

(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).

I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.

However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.

What are your thoughts?

Usually if they are on their second or third job its because they are not that great. Its hard to find a coach that is good in that stage of coaching.

I like the "up and coming coordinator" route more than I like the "proven HC mired in controversy" route a la Briles.

Much better to be viewed as a great stepping stone than a dead end. If Houston loses Herman they'll have quality candidates beating down their door because Houston has proved it's a place you can win big at and get big time jobs from. Even if it means revolving door that's still a very good thing, and really all jobs aside from the very very top are "stepping stones" to something else.

(11-20-2016 07:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Much better to be viewed as a great stepping stone than a dead end. If Houston loses Herman they'll have quality candidates beating down their door because Houston has proved it's a place you can win big at and get big time jobs from. Even if it means revolving door that's still a very good thing, and really all jobs aside from the very very top are "stepping stones" to something else.

You just have to hope that enough of them build the program to the point you become a "smaller stone".

(11-20-2016 07:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 07:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Much better to be viewed as a great stepping stone than a dead end. If Houston loses Herman they'll have quality candidates beating down their door because Houston has proved it's a place you can win big at and get big time jobs from. Even if it means revolving door that's still a very good thing, and really all jobs aside from the very very top are "stepping stones" to something else.

You just have to hope that enough of them build the program to the point you become a "smaller stone".

That's pretty much what happened to Virginia Tech under Beamer. We're still a stepping stone for bigger programs, but probably not for the mid-tier P5 anymore.

(11-20-2016 07:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 07:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Much better to be viewed as a great stepping stone than a dead end. If Houston loses Herman they'll have quality candidates beating down their door because Houston has proved it's a place you can win big at and get big time jobs from. Even if it means revolving door that's still a very good thing, and really all jobs aside from the very very top are "stepping stones" to something else.

You just have to hope that enough of them build the program to the point you become a "smaller stone".

And Houston has built themselves to that point. As a coach now you don't leave Houston unless you get a truly elite job offer. Herman told South Carolina to pound sand and rightfully so. He would probably tell 95% of colleges in the country to pound sand if they call him.

(11-20-2016 07:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 07:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 07:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Much better to be viewed as a great stepping stone than a dead end. If Houston loses Herman they'll have quality candidates beating down their door because Houston has proved it's a place you can win big at and get big time jobs from. Even if it means revolving door that's still a very good thing, and really all jobs aside from the very very top are "stepping stones" to something else.

You just have to hope that enough of them build the program to the point you become a "smaller stone".

And Houston has built themselves to that point. As a coach now you don't leave Houston unless you get a truly elite job offer. Herman told South Carolina to pound sand and rightfully so. He would probably tell 95% of colleges in the country to pound sand if they call him.

Ya thats the one bright spot im happy about in all this.

(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).

I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.

However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.

What are your thoughts?

My thought is you left out Norvell, and we're better off with those guys than with guys like Tuberville. UC did well 3 coaches in a row, just got a lemon this time. Sorta like UK with Kragthorpe.

(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).

I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.

However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.

What are your thoughts?

The jury is not out on Diaco. They want hin tarred and feathered. The pitchfork crowd is pretty much forming outside the castle gates as we speak.

I think you need a coach who can recruit your footprint, an up an comer who builds relationships with HSs for pipelines. Tubberville is an example of a per-retirement coast, though Solich has done an admirable job at Ohio. Fire and drive are important qualities.


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(11-20-2016 07:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Much better to be viewed as a great stepping stone than a dead end. If Houston loses Herman they'll have quality candidates beating down their door because Houston has proved it's a place you can win big at and get big time jobs from. Even if it means revolving door that's still a very good thing, and really all jobs aside from the very very top are "stepping stones" to something else.

^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

Much better to have P5's sniffing around trying to steal your coach than the alternative. At least you know your program is heading in the right direction.

The key is to build the program to the point that it is a great platform for a young up and comer. Virtually everyone is a "stepping stone" program to an extent. There are only a handful of programs that are true "destination" jobs. Those are the only programs that don't have to worry about having their coaches stolen.

(11-20-2016 08:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 07:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Much better to be viewed as a great stepping stone than a dead end. If Houston loses Herman they'll have quality candidates beating down their door because Houston has proved it's a place you can win big at and get big time jobs from. Even if it means revolving door that's still a very good thing, and really all jobs aside from the very very top are "stepping stones" to something else.

^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

Much better to have P5's sniffing around trying to steal your coach than the alternative. At least you know your program is heading in the right direction.

The key is to build the program to the point that it is a great platform for a young up and comer. Virtually everyone is a "stepping stone" program to an extent. There are only a handful of programs that are true "destination" jobs. Those are the only programs that don't have to worry about having their coaches stolen.

If only we could be that job.

(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).

I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.

However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.

What are your thoughts?

This isn't the Conventional Wisdom in football, but you may be better off by being unique and promoting from within. Coach Ken has been with us (Navy) for 8 years now and has turned down a serious offer from BYU.

Still, my guesses as to why has he stayed so long:
1) He seems to believe in the unique mission of USNA.
2) He truly loves the players (more than just coach-speak) he coaches.
3) We run a unique offense, and that limits the numbers of suitors.
4) We promoted from within, maximizing the likelihood of a good and long-term match.

(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).

I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.

However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.

What are your thoughts?

So a Skip Holtz, that was always looking for somewhere to skip too...


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(11-20-2016 08:13 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).

I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.

However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.

What are your thoughts?

The jury is not out on Diaco. They want hin tarred and feathered. The pitchfork crowd is pretty much forming outside the castle gates as we speak.

I think you need a coach who can recruit your footprint, an up an comer who builds relationships with HSs for pipelines. Tubberville is an example of a per-retirement coast, though Solich has done an admirable job at Ohio. Fire and drive are important qualities.


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Which is why I like Mo for ECU. NFL player and coach who was also an ACC player and coach. He has the background and connections, just needs the talent and a new ST coach.



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I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.

(11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.

Isn't that How Tulane's coach rose through the ranks?

(11-20-2016 09:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.

Isn't that How Tulane's coach rose through the ranks?

That's where both Jim Tressel and Paul Johnson came from.

(11-20-2016 09:52 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 09:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.

Isn't that How Tulane's coach rose through the ranks?

That's where both Jim Tressel and Paul Johnson came from.

I don't really follow FCS football who is currently the hottest FCS coach?

(11-20-2016 09:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 09:52 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 09:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.

Isn't that How Tulane's coach rose through the ranks?

That's where both Jim Tressel and Paul Johnson came from.

I don't really follow FCS football who is currently the hottest FCS coach?

ND State's coach should be high on anyone/everyone's list. How many P5 teams have they beaten in the last few years?