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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
It depends upon where your program is. For example when GOL was hired at UCF the program needed security and stabilization. It had a lot of growing to do. It was good to have a coach that we knew would be around. Now that the foundation has been laid it was important for UCF to have a young up and coming coach to give them a feel that was more attractive the the gobs of younger student and alumni that the school is pumping out.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote: I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last.
We've done the exact opposite to our benefit.
Briles - then Texas Tech position coach
Sumlin - then Oklahoma OC
Herman - then Ohio State OC
Having coaches leave is a good problem to have. It means you're winning and have good people. I'd much rather hire a young guy looking to prove himself than someone looking to pad his pension.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
A friend in Bama has said that Lane Kiffin has been contacted by a Texas school. Only openings are SMU and Houston.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.
It could work but there is a big difference between D2 (or FCS) and the American. A local, successful FCS coach who has good relationships with area high school coaches could work also.
But it's still a bit of a crapshoot. Why was Edsall a success at Connecticut but Pasqualoni (a name, even though dated) not, even though Pasqualoni had great success at Syracuse? Why was Al Golden hugely successful at Temple but couldn't win with the talent he recruited at Miami? Why was Skip Holtz successful at UConn but a disaster at USF?
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-21-2016 09:48 AM)StatueKnight Wrote: It depends upon where your program is. For example when GOL was hired at UCF the program needed security and stabilization. It had a lot of growing to do. It was good to have a coach that we knew would be around. Now that the foundation has been laid it was important for UCF to have a young up and coming coach to give them a feel that was more attractive the the gobs of younger student and alumni that the school is pumping out.
I agree with this.
O'Leary also wasn't exactly a retread. He still had a burning desire to prove himself after the Notre Dame fiasco went down, and he was biding his time with the Minnesota Vikings.
If you can find an experienced coach like that, who hasn't been beaten down by firings then great... But it's not easy..
If Briles gets hired somewhere, that would be in this mode. He's not a retread and would bring credibility.
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(11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.
If Mo truly is a 2 and out (I don't see it happening) we may see that in action cause we just may grab the JMU HC or his OC who was well liked during his time here (or both)
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(11-21-2016 10:16 AM)megadrone Wrote: (11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.
It could work but there is a big difference between D2 (or FCS) and the American. A local, successful FCS coach who has good relationships with area high school coaches could work also.
But it's still a bit of a crapshoot. Why was Edsall a success at Connecticut but Pasqualoni (a name, even though dated) not, even though Pasqualoni had great success at Syracuse? Why was Al Golden hugely successful at Temple but couldn't win with the talent he recruited at Miami? Why was Skip Holtz successful at UConn but a disaster at USF?
To answer your last one, Skip is every other job. He's never had back to back successful tenures.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-21-2016 03:45 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote: (11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.
If Mo truly is a 2 and out (I don't see it happening) we may see that in action cause we just may grab the JMU HC or his OC who was well liked during his time here (or both)
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I'm not so confident about Mo.
TWO losing streaks of 5 games and 3 games (likely 4 against Temple) tells me that he has trouble diagnosing and changing things up to spark the team.
I don't think its an issue of talent. This team should have been going to a bowl this year.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-21-2016 03:54 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote: (11-21-2016 10:16 AM)megadrone Wrote: (11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.
It could work but there is a big difference between D2 (or FCS) and the American. A local, successful FCS coach who has good relationships with area high school coaches could work also.
But it's still a bit of a crapshoot. Why was Edsall a success at Connecticut but Pasqualoni (a name, even though dated) not, even though Pasqualoni had great success at Syracuse? Why was Al Golden hugely successful at Temple but couldn't win with the talent he recruited at Miami? Why was Skip Holtz successful at UConn but a disaster at USF?
To answer your last one, Skip is every other job. He's never had back to back successful tenures.
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I think Skip was a disaster at USF because at the time USF was held together by shoestrings and glue. They used the Miami model of building a program of great athletes with questionable academic backgrounds. Leavitt was able to squeeze and punch every ounce of effort out of them, but it was a house of cards waiting to fall. Skip was asked to come in and build on the success, but with better student athletes. I think that many, including the USF President, had an exaggerated view of the program and demanded too much.
Skip played around too much, but I think that anyone would have struggled in that position at that time except for maybe Leavitt.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-21-2016 04:04 PM)StatueKnight Wrote: (11-21-2016 03:54 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote: (11-21-2016 10:16 AM)megadrone Wrote: (11-20-2016 09:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I wonder about the route of taking a successful FCS/D2 HC.
It could work but there is a big difference between D2 (or FCS) and the American. A local, successful FCS coach who has good relationships with area high school coaches could work also.
But it's still a bit of a crapshoot. Why was Edsall a success at Connecticut but Pasqualoni (a name, even though dated) not, even though Pasqualoni had great success at Syracuse? Why was Al Golden hugely successful at Temple but couldn't win with the talent he recruited at Miami? Why was Skip Holtz successful at UConn but a disaster at USF?
To answer your last one, Skip is every other job. He's never had back to back successful tenures.
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I think Skip was a disaster at USF because at the time USF was held together by shoestrings and glue. They used the Miami model of building a program of great athletes with questionable academic backgrounds. Leavitt was able to squeeze and punch every ounce of effort out of them, but it was a house of cards waiting to fall. Skip was asked to come in and build on the success, but with better student athletes. I think that many, including the USF President, had an exaggerated view of the program and demanded too much.
Skip played around too much, but I think that anyone would have struggled in that position at that time except for maybe Leavitt.
Leavitt was going to be USF's first statue... but they fired him.
He's made a big different in Colorado.
What really hurts the Bulls was he was the kind of coach that would have stayed.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
My view: Hire an up-and-coming OC then surround him with an established defensive staff along with a few of his confidants on the offensive side.
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-21-2016 04:29 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: My view: Hire an up-and-coming OC then surround him with an established defensive staff along with a few of his confidants on the offensive side.
Keeping our defensive coach and bringing in Doug Meachem from TCU would make me happy
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
WKU's AD had a good quote a while back in regards to being a "stepping stone" program. If no one is coming after your people, then maybe you have the wrong people. I'd rather have someone move up after success than be mired in mediocrity forever. You just have to trust in your AD to find the right guy. Having a plan of succession helps as well (like we had from Petrino to Brohm).
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Keeping Herman will make me happy
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RE: G5 Head Coach Hiring Model
(11-20-2016 07:41 PM)fanhood Wrote: It appears that the AAC may have a few open coaching jobs this year (Houston and SMU).
I am convinced that the best model for those of us in G5 is to hire proven head coaches that are on their second or third head coaching job, and view it as their last. I realize that the AAC has done an excellent job of hiring young coaches such as Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggart, and Montgomery, while the jury is still out on Diaco. Furthermore, I realize that the re-tread model seen in Cincinnati does not appear to be working out.
However, when programs outside of the Power Five hire good young coaches, those coaches leave very soon after raising the level of the program. While this is obviously positive, it is hard to keep sustained success.
What are your thoughts?
Herman, Rhule, and Taggart are gone now. I think this conversation is worth having again.
No program can continually sustain a high level of performance if they have having complete turnover every 3-4 years. Sustained success is only possible at the G5 level with continuity.
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