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Why can't Mick get over the hump and what would it take to do so?
Now in year 10, we can safepy evaluate what we will and won't get out of Mick Croning. I don't have the stats, but his record against ranked opponents and in close games decided by 5 or less is very poor. Is this a result of...

1) Not recruiting talented enough players
2) Not identifying the correct players
3) In game coaching
4) Player development/teaching/skills training
5) All of the above
 
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RE: Why can't Mick get over the hump and what would it take to do so?
He did once, when we beat FSU in the round of 32. It is early. This team should be very good. I think RI made evry 3 point attempt in the second half.
 
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RE: Why can't Mick get over the hump and what would it take to do so?
What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.
 
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(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.

Cumberland is totally lost right now on the floor. The loud RI crowd blew him away. The proverbial deer in headlights had never experienced anything like that game. He is not ready to be the 6th man in crunch time - right now.
 
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(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.

This right here. Mick hasn't exactly had much stellar talent on his rosters. And yes, that is his fault.
 
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RE: Why can't Mick get over the hump and what would it take to do so?
If we don't have better results 3 - 4 years after the new arena is built, I say we cut him loose. That should be plenty of time to recruit and develop better players using our better facilities.
 
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(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.
The guys who are underperforming were voted all conference players by the people who play against them week in and week out. If they're overvalued then we're not the only ones doing it.
 
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RE: Why can't Mick get over the hump and what would it take to do so?
(11-20-2016 09:59 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.

Cumberland is totally lost right now on the floor. The loud RI crowd blew him away. The proverbial deer in headlights had never experienced anything like that game. He is not ready to be the 6th man in crunch time - right now.

Why do our young guys always seem so flustered and at other programs freshmen step right in like they are seasoned vets?
 
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RE: Why can't Mick get over the hump and what would it take to do so?
#3 Coaching

His struggles to implement an effective offense aside, I've always been a believer that if you see a lot of close game losses or teams come from behind to win, they are a direct result of coaching or lack there of.
 
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(11-20-2016 09:59 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.

Cumberland is totally lost right now on the floor. The loud RI crowd blew him away. The proverbial deer in headlights had never experienced anything like that game. He is not ready to be the 6th man in crunch time - right now.

I agree. I think either Johnson or Jenifer should have been on the floor late, not Cumberland. I do think he's going to be a good one, but I don't think he's as ready as Evans was.
 
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I don't disagree a bit. IMO, people think Troy is something he is not. Gary is a nice player but is not a guy teams are built around. Both guys vanish against quality competition too often. Its been a trend.

Right now Evans is the only one who passes the eyeball test as a difference maker for any team.
 
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Also, Clark and Washington should not be playing 36+ minutes. Our top 4 all looked tired late in the game. The bench has to step up and Mick has to be willing to use them.
 
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guys, guys......the answer is as clear with our hoops coach as it is with our football coach.

he's just not that good. He's a middling coach who can only effectively coach 1 side of the game.

it's been before us for the longest, just continually given the benefit of the doubt....cuz of that excuse that shall no longer be mentioned.




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(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.

Totally agree. I know this has always been the knock on Mick, but I am very confident with his recent recruiting and eventually getting the new arena. But I really think we are just one or to players away. UC basketball could be in a much, much worse place so I'm ok with it for now.
 
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(11-20-2016 11:46 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  
(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.

Totally agree. I know this has always been the knock on Mick, but I am very confident with his recent recruiting and eventually getting the new arena. But I really think we are just one or to players away. UC basketball could be in a much, much worse place so I'm ok with it for now.

Yeah, I'm not ready to run Mick out of town by any means. We could do a lot worse than to make the tournament every year. I just want to see some better offense and more difference-makers on that side of the court.
 
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Yep. Recruiting needs to improve to make that happen.
 
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A disciplined offense. One that does more than have 5 guys passing the ball around the perimeter 75% of the game.

A point guard that penetrates the lane more than a handful of times per game.

More production from the bench.
 
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(11-20-2016 11:53 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(11-20-2016 11:46 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  
(11-20-2016 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What would it take? IMO, a few better players. We overvalue some of the guys we have. Perhaps all fanbases do that.

Totally agree. I know this has always been the knock on Mick, but I am very confident with his recent recruiting and eventually getting the new arena. But I really think we are just one or to players away. UC basketball could be in a much, much worse place so I'm ok with it for now.

Yeah, I'm not ready to run Mick out of town by any means. We could do a lot worse than to make the tournament every year. I just want to see some better offense and more difference-makers on that side of the court.

The football team would kill for a coach like Mick who bleeds black and red.
 
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(11-20-2016 08:17 AM)jarr Wrote:  1) Not recruiting talented enough players

Kyle Washington is one of the best centers in the country, if you think bigs like that are typical, you haven't watched UC basketball for the last few years. I had him wrong, I thought he was just some pseudo stretch 4 who couldn't really shoot, but he looked like a league player against boys yesterday.
Evans is easily one of the best 2 guards in the country. The others are solid college players. Talent is not the issue. If you think it is, try watching Austin Peay or IPFW. We have a coach who is offensively challenged, a fan base who thinks the sky is falling every time they don't win, the inability to recruit as well as Duke or Kentucky because we aren't them, and the rest is just the changing nature of a roster that sees people come and go.
 
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Offense. Did he learn nothing from Ricky "I can't" Pee ?
 
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