(11-18-2016 04:23 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The new Houston coach will have an all star roster to work with. No drop off for UH

I had no idea Tom Herman was gone... I guess I felt asleep. Hehe

(11-18-2016 05:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 04:23 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The new Houston coach will have an all star roster to work with. No drop off for UH

I had no idea Tom Herman was gone... I guess I felt asleep. Hehe

What did it feel like?

(11-18-2016 05:09 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 05:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 04:23 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  The new Houston coach will have an all star roster to work with. No drop off for UH

I had no idea Tom Herman was gone... I guess I felt asleep. Hehe

What did it feel like?

Good one, man

Tom Herman will move on someday but not to another college team, he's on his way to the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE...
I think he takes the HC job right here in Houston...

(11-18-2016 09:01 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Tom Herman will move on someday but not to another college team, he's on his way to the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE...
I think he takes the HC job right here in Houston...

Hi, and welcome to the United States.

(11-18-2016 11:53 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 09:01 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Tom Herman will move on someday but not to another college team, he's on his way to the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE...
I think he takes the HC job right here in Houston...

Hi, and welcome to the United States.

Do you really think Tom Herman is that anxious to start building another program, when he has Ed Oliver and Kyle Allen in Houston next year?

Think about it. He's in probably the least pressure filled coaching situation in America. Personnel-wise, he is primed for a strong run.

He'll also get a substantial raise in Houston... he owns the town... and he has celebrities at his games...

I'm not sure who passes on the chance to coach a one in a generation player like Oliver beyond his Freshman year.

(11-18-2016 07:19 AM)panama Wrote:  I think he leaves eventually because humans make bad decisions all the time. The dream is Saban. Get a P5 job and be worshipped by the masses who give you everything you desire and eventually build you a statue and bury you on the back 40. The reality is Les Miles. Every P5 job except Saban's has an end date where you will unceremoniously be pushed out the door because you didnt become Saban and make them Alabama. CTH makes a very comfortable $3M a year. So far they have given him everything. He coild conceivably stay put and have statues built. More than likely someone makes him an offer he thinks he cannot refuse

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So true, different sport but I was watching the Northern Iowa-Oklahoma basketball game and just kept thinking how does a coach like Ben Jacobson not run away and take a job at a high profile school because he could have a pick of the p5 litter and then I thought seeing the Northern Iowa crowd who flew to Orlando and treated them like the non spoiled so grateful for everything people and you'll never receive that at a bigger school maybe for the first few weeks of the hire but then the fan base will pounce the moment you slip a few games. Tom Herman will never be more loved than he is right now and while he will still get that love the first weeks at a new job there will never be a chance to have the comfort he enjoys at Houston again. Is that worth a few extra mil and a bigger stage? Depends on the person

Will Kyle Allen start next year?

Can "He gone" refer to Tuberville too?

(11-19-2016 07:54 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Will Kyle Allen start next year?

That's the plan. Remember, Allen was the highest ranked QB recruit when he signed with Texas A&M. He's had a year to work with Herman and improve his QB skills.

There is also a small chance that Herman leaves and takes Allen with him. Allen is set to graduate this spring.

If that happens, UH has senior Postma, sophomore D'Eriq King and red shirt freshman Bowman Sells to compete for the coveted University of Houston QB spot.

(11-19-2016 10:36 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 07:54 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Will Kyle Allen start next year?

That's the plan. Remember, Allen was the highest ranked QB recruit when he signed with Texas A&M. He's had a year to work with Herman and improve his QB skills.

There is also a small chance that Herman leaves and takes Allen with him. Allen is set to graduate this spring.

If that happens, UH has senior Postma, sophomore D'Eriq King and red shirt freshman Bowman Sells to compete for the coveted University of Houston QB spot.

Kyle Allen tweet

Kevin Sumlin had A&M in the CFP Top 4 practically yesterday... now his fans are wanting a new coach... lol. Not sure I see the lure of jumping into those choppy waters.

Strong is a good coach who just implemented a new offensive system and brought in a Top 5 recruiting class (a very good freshman QB)and has his team at .500 with wins on his schedule. It'd be crazy if they pulled the plug, and any decent candidate is looking at that.

Supposedly Herman friends say Texas is far and away number 1 but has some interest in LSU and Oregon.

Any reason to believe Chad Morris would stay at SMU over Baylor? Baylor seems like a terrible place to be right now, even with Mack Rhoades.

Quote:Baylor is rapidly narrowing the focus of its coaching search, multiple industry sources indicated this week to 247Sports. The two names at or the near the top of the school’s list: Houston’s Tom Herman and SMU’s Chad Morris.

http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-foot...H-49063189

(11-19-2016 11:16 AM)isiahglover1 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 10:36 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 07:54 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Will Kyle Allen start next year?

That's the plan. Remember, Allen was the highest ranked QB recruit when he signed with Texas A&M. He's had a year to work with Herman and improve his QB skills.

There is also a small chance that Herman leaves and takes Allen with him. Allen is set to graduate this spring.

If that happens, UH has senior Postma, sophomore D'Eriq King and red shirt freshman Bowman Sells to compete for the coveted University of Houston QB spot.

Kyle Allen tweet

If Herman leaves...Houston will be just fine. It seems as if everyone cares more about the status of our coach than we do. Sure, we'd love to keep him to build this thing but if we can't we will put out a job listing that looks like this:

HOUSTON football coach job opening.

Candidate will be expected to be a hungry, motivated, up and coming coach with something to prove. It is OK to move on to another program AFTER you have brought tremendous growth to the program, its fan base, its position in the 4th (soon to be 3rd) largest city on the US, it facility upgrades, its recruiting stature, and its football legacy.

The University will provide you with direct access to arguably the best recruiting grounds in the entire United States of America. You will be coaching at one of the largest Public Universities in the state of Texas (43,000+ students) and will have 100% support form the administration (i.e. Renu Khator) and big donors (Tilman Fertitta, Jim Nantz, etc.) and direct access to one of the largest media markets in the US.

You will inherent a football program that has had exceptional college football players (most notable the QB position) and that has a storied history on the largest stage but one that is still waiting for a National Championship.

Using this position as a "stepping stone" does not automatically disqualify you but you must proceed at your own risk. Some "hot and upcoming" coaches find that the grass is not always greener on the other side (i.e. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin) and others (i.e. Art Briles) will have to trade in their integrity top succeed at the next level.

With all due respect, Major Applewhite is NOT eligible to apply because of questionable play calling and for being an ex-UT quarter back

(11-19-2016 12:12 PM)STLWAVE Wrote:  Supposedly Herman friends say Texas is far and away number 1 but has some interest in LSU and Oregon.

Any reason to believe Chad Morris would stay at SMU over Baylor? Baylor seems like a terrible place to be right now, even with Mack Rhoades.

Quote:Baylor is rapidly narrowing the focus of its coaching search, multiple industry sources indicated this week to 247Sports. The two names at or the near the top of the school’s list: Houston’s Tom Herman and SMU’s Chad Morris.

http://247sports.com/Article/Baylor-foot...H-49063189

We shall see. Willing to go to 3.5 mil to keep him. Hopefully he has better sense than go to that cesspool right now

(11-19-2016 12:23 PM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 11:16 AM)isiahglover1 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 10:36 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 07:54 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Will Kyle Allen start next year?

That's the plan. Remember, Allen was the highest ranked QB recruit when he signed with Texas A&M. He's had a year to work with Herman and improve his QB skills.

There is also a small chance that Herman leaves and takes Allen with him. Allen is set to graduate this spring.

If that happens, UH has senior Postma, sophomore D'Eriq King and red shirt freshman Bowman Sells to compete for the coveted University of Houston QB spot.

Kyle Allen tweet

If Herman leaves...Houston will be just fine. It seems as if everyone cares more about the status of our coach than we do. Sure, we'd love to keep him to build this thing but if we can't we will put out a job listing that looks like this:

HOUSTON football coach job opening.

Candidate will be expected to be a hungry, motivated, up and coming coach with something to prove. It is OK to move on to another program AFTER you have brought tremendous growth to the program, its fan base, its position in the 4th (soon to be 3rd) largest city on the US, it facility upgrades, its recruiting stature, and its football legacy.

The University will provide you with direct access to arguably the best recruiting grounds in the entire United States of America. You will be coaching at one of the largest Public Universities in the state of Texas (43,000+ students) and will have 100% support form the administration (i.e. Renu Khator) and big donors (Tilman Fertitta, Jim Nantz, etc.) and direct access to one of the largest media markets in the US.

You will inherent a football program that has had exceptional college football players (most notable the QB position) and that has a storied history on the largest stage but one that is still waiting for a National Championship.

Using this position as a "stepping stone" does not automatically disqualify you but you must proceed at your own risk. Some "hot and upcoming" coaches find that the grass is not always greener on the other side (i.e. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin) and others (i.e. Art Briles) will have to trade in their integrity top succeed at the next level.

With all due respect, Major Applewhite is NOT eligible to apply because of questionable play calling and for being an ex-UT quarter back

Do you think Houston would be more inclined to go after a Charlie Strong, Les Miles, Kevin Sumlin, etc. Or a P.J. Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Doug Meachem?

(11-19-2016 12:34 PM)STLWAVE Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 12:23 PM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 11:16 AM)isiahglover1 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 10:36 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 07:54 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Will Kyle Allen start next year?

That's the plan. Remember, Allen was the highest ranked QB recruit when he signed with Texas A&M. He's had a year to work with Herman and improve his QB skills.

There is also a small chance that Herman leaves and takes Allen with him. Allen is set to graduate this spring.

If that happens, UH has senior Postma, sophomore D'Eriq King and red shirt freshman Bowman Sells to compete for the coveted University of Houston QB spot.

Kyle Allen tweet

If Herman leaves...Houston will be just fine. It seems as if everyone cares more about the status of our coach than we do. Sure, we'd love to keep him to build this thing but if we can't we will put out a job listing that looks like this:

HOUSTON football coach job opening.

Candidate will be expected to be a hungry, motivated, up and coming coach with something to prove. It is OK to move on to another program AFTER you have brought tremendous growth to the program, its fan base, its position in the 4th (soon to be 3rd) largest city on the US, it facility upgrades, its recruiting stature, and its football legacy.

The University will provide you with direct access to arguably the best recruiting grounds in the entire United States of America. You will be coaching at one of the largest Public Universities in the state of Texas (43,000+ students) and will have 100% support form the administration (i.e. Renu Khator) and big donors (Tilman Fertitta, Jim Nantz, etc.) and direct access to one of the largest media markets in the US.

You will inherent a football program that has had exceptional college football players (most notable the QB position) and that has a storied history on the largest stage but one that is still waiting for a National Championship.

Using this position as a "stepping stone" does not automatically disqualify you but you must proceed at your own risk. Some "hot and upcoming" coaches find that the grass is not always greener on the other side (i.e. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin) and others (i.e. Art Briles) will have to trade in their integrity top succeed at the next level.

With all due respect, Major Applewhite is NOT eligible to apply because of questionable play calling and for being an ex-UT quarter back

Do you think Houston would be more inclined to go after a Charlie Strong, Les Miles, Kevin Sumlin, etc. Or a P.J. Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Doug Meachem?

IMO,

Tier 1
Miles
Strong

Tier 2
Fleck -- Unlikely, given no TX ties.
Orlando -- Bonus points for continuity

Tier 3
Lincoln Riley
Cumbie
Venables

HARD NO'S
Sumlin
Briles
Applewhite

(11-19-2016 12:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 12:34 PM)STLWAVE Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 12:23 PM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 11:16 AM)isiahglover1 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 10:36 AM)UH1927 Wrote:  That's the plan. Remember, Allen was the highest ranked QB recruit when he signed with Texas A&M. He's had a year to work with Herman and improve his QB skills.

There is also a small chance that Herman leaves and takes Allen with him. Allen is set to graduate this spring.

If that happens, UH has senior Postma, sophomore D'Eriq King and red shirt freshman Bowman Sells to compete for the coveted University of Houston QB spot.

Kyle Allen tweet

If Herman leaves...Houston will be just fine. It seems as if everyone cares more about the status of our coach than we do. Sure, we'd love to keep him to build this thing but if we can't we will put out a job listing that looks like this:

HOUSTON football coach job opening.

Candidate will be expected to be a hungry, motivated, up and coming coach with something to prove. It is OK to move on to another program AFTER you have brought tremendous growth to the program, its fan base, its position in the 4th (soon to be 3rd) largest city on the US, it facility upgrades, its recruiting stature, and its football legacy.

The University will provide you with direct access to arguably the best recruiting grounds in the entire United States of America. You will be coaching at one of the largest Public Universities in the state of Texas (43,000+ students) and will have 100% support form the administration (i.e. Renu Khator) and big donors (Tilman Fertitta, Jim Nantz, etc.) and direct access to one of the largest media markets in the US.

You will inherent a football program that has had exceptional college football players (most notable the QB position) and that has a storied history on the largest stage but one that is still waiting for a National Championship.

Using this position as a "stepping stone" does not automatically disqualify you but you must proceed at your own risk. Some "hot and upcoming" coaches find that the grass is not always greener on the other side (i.e. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin) and others (i.e. Art Briles) will have to trade in their integrity top succeed at the next level.

With all due respect, Major Applewhite is NOT eligible to apply because of questionable play calling and for being an ex-UT quarter back

Do you think Houston would be more inclined to go after a Charlie Strong, Les Miles, Kevin Sumlin, etc. Or a P.J. Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Doug Meachem?

IMO,

Tier 1
Miles
Strong

Tier 2
Fleck -- Unlikely, given no TX ties.
Orlando -- Bonus points for continuity

Tier 3
Lincoln Riley
Cumbie
Venables

HARD NO'S
Sumlin
Briles
Applewhite

I would actually put Orlando above the retreads... for 3 reasons.

#1. He has an INNOVATIVE MIND. Houston's success has as much to do with Orlando's Xs&Os philosophies as it does Hermans.

#2. To keep him away from Texas, et al. If UT does get Herman, they'll get him without the defense that is just as responsible for Houston's success as Herman/Greg Ward. If those fans don't like what Charlie Strong is doing with the defense, let them see what life is like when they fire him.

#3. Continuity

Orlando could easily win the Broyles Award this year. He also has the fire that has made this team so good. I don't want HIM at UT any more than I want Herman there.

The D won the Louisville game.






That being said, I'm in a wait and see mode.

(11-19-2016 01:35 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 12:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 12:34 PM)STLWAVE Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 12:23 PM)UH1927 Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 11:16 AM)isiahglover1 Wrote:  Kyle Allen tweet

If Herman leaves...Houston will be just fine. It seems as if everyone cares more about the status of our coach than we do. Sure, we'd love to keep him to build this thing but if we can't we will put out a job listing that looks like this:

HOUSTON football coach job opening.

Candidate will be expected to be a hungry, motivated, up and coming coach with something to prove. It is OK to move on to another program AFTER you have brought tremendous growth to the program, its fan base, its position in the 4th (soon to be 3rd) largest city on the US, it facility upgrades, its recruiting stature, and its football legacy.

The University will provide you with direct access to arguably the best recruiting grounds in the entire United States of America. You will be coaching at one of the largest Public Universities in the state of Texas (43,000+ students) and will have 100% support form the administration (i.e. Renu Khator) and big donors (Tilman Fertitta, Jim Nantz, etc.) and direct access to one of the largest media markets in the US.

You will inherent a football program that has had exceptional college football players (most notable the QB position) and that has a storied history on the largest stage but one that is still waiting for a National Championship.

Using this position as a "stepping stone" does not automatically disqualify you but you must proceed at your own risk. Some "hot and upcoming" coaches find that the grass is not always greener on the other side (i.e. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin) and others (i.e. Art Briles) will have to trade in their integrity top succeed at the next level.

With all due respect, Major Applewhite is NOT eligible to apply because of questionable play calling and for being an ex-UT quarter back

Do you think Houston would be more inclined to go after a Charlie Strong, Les Miles, Kevin Sumlin, etc. Or a P.J. Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Doug Meachem?

IMO,

Tier 1
Miles
Strong

Tier 2
Fleck -- Unlikely, given no TX ties.
Orlando -- Bonus points for continuity

Tier 3
Lincoln Riley
Cumbie
Venables

HARD NO'S
Sumlin
Briles
Applewhite

I would actually put Orlando above the retreads... for 3 reasons.

#1. He has an INNOVATIVE MIND. Houston's success has as much to do with Orlando's Xs&Os philosophies as it does Hermans.

#2. To keep him away from Texas, et al. If UT does get Herman, they'll get him without the defense that is just as responsible for Houston's success as Herman/Greg Ward. If those fans don't like what Charlie Strong is doing with the defense, let them see what life is like when they fire him.

#3. Continuity

Orlando could easily win the Broyles Award this year. He also has the fire that has made this team so good. I don't want HIM at UT any more than I want Herman there.

The D won the Louisville game.






That being said, I'm in a wait and see mode.

You bring up good points. I'd be interested to see what kind of talent Miles and Strong could bring in. We already know that they clean up in the Houston area, historically.

I'm not entirely sure Orlando is made to be a HC. He seems like an introverted mad genius. Would he enjoy doing all the public events, radio shows, interviews, shaking everyone's hand, etc.?