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RE: Hawaii exception allows 2nd game to start 1 week early-AZ@Hawaii
(11-18-2016 02:46 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  With this setup, Hawaii may be able to survive independent with all home games.

I've always wondered about Hawaii and Independence. They have their own bowl. They could get a lot of lower FBS teams plus an FCS as one and done games. P5's, Army, Navy and BYU. ND, Alabama and USC have played at Hawaii within the last decade or so. They can get big names to their 50k stadium easily. Road games vs the PAC 12 Cali schools to avoid too much travel...

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(01-25-2017 11:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(11-18-2016 02:46 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  With this setup, Hawaii may be able to survive independent with all home games.

I've always wondered about Hawaii and Independence. They have their own bowl. They could get a lot of lower FBS teams plus an FCS as one and done games. P5's, Army, Navy and BYU. ND, Alabama and USC have played at Hawaii within the last decade or so. They can get big names to their 50k stadium easily. Road games vs the PAC 12 Cali schools to avoid too much travel...

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There's no chance that UH will go the independence route. Zero, nada, none. Home scheduling in the middle to late part of the season would be difficult to impossible. Coaches do not want to bring their teams all the way to Honolulu in the middle of conference play. The trip is too long and therefore too disruptive. They will only do it if they are forced to because UH is in their conference.
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(01-26-2017 03:23 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 11:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(11-18-2016 02:46 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  With this setup, Hawaii may be able to survive independent with all home games.

I've always wondered about Hawaii and Independence. They have their own bowl. They could get a lot of lower FBS teams plus an FCS as one and done games. P5's, Army, Navy and BYU. ND, Alabama and USC have played at Hawaii within the last decade or so. They can get big names to their 50k stadium easily. Road games vs the PAC 12 Cali schools to avoid too much travel...

Cheers!

There's no chance that UH will go the independence route. Zero, nada, none. Home scheduling in the middle to late part of the season would be difficult to impossible. Coaches do not want to bring their teams all the way to Honolulu in the middle of conference play. The trip is too long and therefore too disruptive. They will only do it if they are forced to because UH is in their conference.

Ok...I do remember the Hawaii AD saying on a couple different occasions over the past 15 years that Hawaii would consider going Independent. . Right after the Airport meeting in late 90's, and right after Boise left the WAC. I guess Hawaii is where they want to be right now. Well, unless the PAC comes calling!
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(01-26-2017 04:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-26-2017 03:23 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 11:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(11-18-2016 02:46 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  With this setup, Hawaii may be able to survive independent with all home games.

I've always wondered about Hawaii and Independence. They have their own bowl. They could get a lot of lower FBS teams plus an FCS as one and done games. P5's, Army, Navy and BYU. ND, Alabama and USC have played at Hawaii within the last decade or so. They can get big names to their 50k stadium easily. Road games vs the PAC 12 Cali schools to avoid too much travel...

Cheers!

There's no chance that UH will go the independence route. Zero, nada, none. Home scheduling in the middle to late part of the season would be difficult to impossible. Coaches do not want to bring their teams all the way to Honolulu in the middle of conference play. The trip is too long and therefore too disruptive. They will only do it if they are forced to because UH is in their conference.

Ok...I do remember the Hawaii AD saying on a couple different occasions over the past 15 years that Hawaii would consider going Independent. . Right after the Airport meeting in late 90's, and right after Boise left the WAC. I guess Hawaii is where they want to be right now. Well, unless the PAC comes calling!
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There are some fans here in the Islands that still advocate independence, mainly because they resent the travel subsidies UH pays the MWC and Big West, but yes the current UH administration feels the current conference affiliations are the best we can do barring a very unlikely Pac-12 invitation.
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(01-25-2017 02:05 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Think again. Here's what the UH football beat writer for the Honolulu newspaper says:

"The exemption usually applies to UH’s home games. But the Warriors received an NCAA waiver making the exemption applicable for a road game."


http://hawaiiwarriorworld.com/warrior-be...on-aug-26/

Yeah I always understood the rule to be, at least in spirit, a special allowance for mainland teams that schedule a game on the islands.

But I also would feel just fine giving Hawaii an official, permanent "play on week zero, wherever you want" card.
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Hawaii is fine, and because of the distance, the NCAA will continue to be accommodating. Here is a snipet regarding our game and indeed Hawaii received the zero week waiver for an away game.

Quote:Hawaii was able to agree to the trip because of an exemption that allows them to open play on what the NCAA calls "Week Zero," a week ahead of the usual start to the season. According to a release from Hawaii, the exemption usually applies to home games, but the Rainbow Warriors received an NCAA waiver.

"The move limits the likelihood of back-to-back road games in the middle of the season, which cuts down on the amount of missed class time by our student-athletes," Hawaii coach Nick Rolovich said in a release.

It is the farthest east Hawaii has ever come to play a football game.

http://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/um...ule,496545
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Hawaii is in an interesting spot. They look like they average mid 20's for attendance and a 43 million $ AD budget with 40% subsidy. Under normal circumstances that is not very impressive but when you take into account the logistical nightmare playing games is it's actually not that bad.

If the Big 12 wanted to try for the largest footprint they could just go for Alaska and Hawaii for football only.

All kidding aside BYU and Hawaii as football members would not bother me much. Kids get 1-2 trips to Hawaii during thier stay and I'm sure there are certain fans who would go for the vacation/game.
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Ran across an interesting tidbit about Hawaii looking at thier schedule. Most home games are on Oceanic PPV.

http://www.oceanic.com/programming/sport...orts-live/

Really interesting stuff looking at pricing.
UH Football Pay-Per-View Pricing
O'ahu Neighbor Islands
Individual Game $75 $45
Season Package $450 $270

Would be interesting to know what they get for money on football games.
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(01-29-2017 10:48 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Hawaii is in an interesting spot. They look like they average mid 20's for attendance and a 43 million $ AD budget with 40% subsidy. Under normal circumstances that is not very impressive but when you take into account the logistical nightmare playing games is it's actually not that bad.

If the Big 12 wanted to try for the largest footprint they could just go for Alaska and Hawaii for football only.

All kidding aside BYU and Hawaii as football members would not bother me much. Kids get 1-2 trips to Hawaii during thier stay and I'm sure there are certain fans who would go for the vacation/game.

Don't be fooled by the lingering effect of the Norm Chow debacle. Before he became coach and ran the UH program into the ground average attendance at home games was in the 35K to 40K range, with games against quality opponents typically drawing over 40K. The state loves football but there are a lot of bandwagon fans here who won't pay to watch a team that's both bad and boring. Nick Rolovich is starting to get things turned around but it will take a while to get the bandwagon fans back in the house.
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(01-29-2017 11:06 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Ran across an interesting tidbit about Hawaii looking at thier schedule. Most home games are on Oceanic PPV.

http://www.oceanic.com/programming/sport...orts-live/

Really interesting stuff looking at pricing.
UH Football Pay-Per-View Pricing
O'ahu Neighbor Islands
Individual Game $75 $45
Season Package $450 $270

Would be interesting to know what they get for money on football games.

If you mean what does UH get from Oceanic (as a pass-through from PPV revenue), the university is in the third year of a six-year deal that pays an escalating fixed rights fee that starts at $2.3 million in year one and will end at $2.5 million in year six. Oceanic keeps the difference between the PPV fees it collects and the rights fee.

More details here:

http://www.athleticbusiness.com/more-new...-deal.html

Notably, UH is not required put the Oceanic rights fee money into the MWC's shared TV revenue pot, but as a consequence, UH receives no share of the MWC's TV contract money. The university has gone along with this because the rights fee paid by Oceanic is a bit higher than the average $2.1 million per-school distribution from the MWC TV deal.
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Why did Norm Chow do so poorly at Hawaii???

Offensive coordinator at multiple high end P5 schools and the NFL, before going to Hawaii to try being a head coach. He's from Hawaii.


What happened??
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(02-01-2017 02:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why did Norm Chow do so poorly at Hawaii???

Offensive coordinator at multiple high end P5 schools and the NFL, before going to Hawaii to try being a head coach. He's from Hawaii.


What happened??

OC for his entire career. Became HC for first time in his 70's.

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Brilliant Xs & Os thinker. Not a people person.
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(02-03-2017 11:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-01-2017 02:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why did Norm Chow do so poorly at Hawaii???

Offensive coordinator at multiple high end P5 schools and the NFL, before going to Hawaii to try being a head coach. He's from Hawaii.


What happened??

OC for his entire career. Became HC for first time in his 70's.

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Exactly. He was in over his head as a head coach from day one. Also he was unable to recruit the kind of athletes he needed to run his outdated pro set offense successfully.
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(02-04-2017 12:15 AM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  Brilliant Xs & Os thinker. Not a people person.

His Xs & Os seemed brilliant when he was coaching five-star talent at USC. Not so much with the two- and three-star players that G5 coaches have to know how to coach up to be successful. His offense at UH was utterly predictable and woefully ineffective.

As for his personality, Chow was sincere and hardworking, but also gruff and uncommunicative. His complete ignorance of social media crippled his recruiting (by contrast this is an area in which his replacement Nick Rolovich excels), he couldn't connect personally with most fans and he eventually alienated many of the program's core boosters.
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Fair enough. Thanks for the input, guys.


"His offense at UH was utterly predictable and woefully ineffective."

That's too bad that you think in order for an offense/defense to be effective, it has to be one of those gimmick fad types. 07-coffee3
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(02-04-2017 10:34 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Fair enough. Thanks for the input, guys.


"His offense at UH was utterly predictable and woefully ineffective."

That's too bad that you think in order for an offense/defense to be effective, it has to be one of those gimmick fad types. 07-coffee3

To be clear, it wasn't just an issue with Chow running a vanilla scheme, it was even more so the play calling. By the end of his first year UH fans were labeling it the "run-run-incompletepass-punt" offense. There was very little mixing up of plays to throw off the defense, and never the kind of risk-taking (e.g. going for it on 4th and inches on your own side of the field) that would give the players confidence in their ability to execute under pressure and faith that the coach believed in them. As the losses piled up there was never a feeling that Chow had a strategy to turn things around other than "we'll work harder" and team morale was visibly low.

Rolovich on the other hand delivered a 7-7 record and bowl win in his first season, with a team comprised mainly of Chow's players, without employing a gimmick or fad type offense. It was a balanced run-pass attack operated for the most part from a basic pistol formation with one back, one tight end, a slot and two wideouts. The difference was that Rolovich mixed up the play-calling, varied the run-pass emphasis to take advantage of what the defense was giving, made actual adjustments at halftime, and took chances like a riverboat gambler -- of which some backfired but many paid off. He also ran about one trick play per game which further livened things up. His players had fun and felt like he trusted them and IMHO that had more to do with the team's improvement than anything else.
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Thank you for clarifying. That makes a lot of sense.
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The weekend of August 26th, 2017 has become MWC weekend with the Hawaii exception allowing for some great games:
Portland St @ BYU
Hawaii @ Umass
USF @ SJSU
Oregon St @ Colorado St

-Stanford vs Rice in Australia on August 26th
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*Fresno St and San Diego St both play @ Hawaii this year; will they schedule another game?
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