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RE: J Martin vs Milwaukee
(11-17-2016 01:18 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 11:44 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
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(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

It hasn't escaped my notice that the Tubby guys are not yet performing and the Josh guys are playing well (even if the Lawsons are a big part of that).

As of right now, Rykhoek, Clergeot, and Kessee are what would best be described as struggling.

They may have been Pastner guys, but they are all from this city. The Lawson's, Crawford, Martin. Just keep a few Memphis kids here starting in 2018 and we should be rolling. I hope he can get them to stay.

Let's not forget that Pastner had to be talked into hiring Keelon and talked into Martin

Crawford would have come regardless

Pastners only real recruit may be Randall and that one could be claimed by Damon
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(11-17-2016 10:29 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  there's a noticeable difference in the way these kids respond to Tubby over how they responded to Pastner. I'd take a whole stable of 2-3 star kids who are coachable and buy into a game plan over 4 star legends who are only interested in padding their stat columns.

Which makes it absolutely stunning the amount of folks that were nearly terrified about 'losing' Pastner.

I mean, there were months and months of arguing and hand-wringing...and some folks ardently defending a guy who simply can't coach well.

I was all about some CJP his first two, even three years and then... well, we all know what then was. I knew he wasn't a coach but he seemed like such a good guy I wanted him to learn. He was his own worst enemy in that regard though.
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RE: J Martin vs Milwaukee
(11-17-2016 10:34 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:27 AM)450bench Wrote:  Martin is crazy fast...I don't know if you guys saw the fast break layup he had in the first half, I think, but his head was nearly rim high as he maneuvered around the kid from Milwaukee for the dunk/lay in...ridiculously athletic...I think he's going to be really, really good

Really surprised by his athleticism.

If he could shoot from respectable percentages from outside, he'd be close to an all AAC type player from what I've seen early.

Let's see him against some comp first though.

It doesn't look like we'll see that until league play starts and maybe not even then.
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(11-17-2016 05:03 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:34 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:27 AM)450bench Wrote:  Martin is crazy fast...I don't know if you guys saw the fast break layup he had in the first half, I think, but his head was nearly rim high as he maneuvered around the kid from Milwaukee for the dunk/lay in...ridiculously athletic...I think he's going to be really, really good

Really surprised by his athleticism.

If he could shoot from respectable percentages from outside, he'd be close to an all AAC type player from what I've seen early.

Let's see him against some comp first though.

It doesn't look like we'll see that until league play starts and maybe not even then.

Well, I'm saying like Providence and such.

I think he'll be fine based on his desire and athleticism, but let's see if these performances translate from UTRGV to a "power" conference team.
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(11-17-2016 10:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:41 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
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(11-17-2016 06:58 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Too bad he wasn't allowed to play for last season

He's a longer version of Elliot Perry on defense

Won't ever be the shooter EP was but reminds me of him on d

We have a great defensive starting backcourt

Well, he wasn't a very good shooter and Tarrant started, so there's that.

He shouldn't have been benched in favor of a football player

That football player also caused Tarrant to be moved off the ball which was beyond stupid

Agreed. The fact that pastner had no idea how to use personnel, none at all, is mind blowing to me.

Even more mind blowing was his stubborn attitude about hiring an experienced x's and o's coach who could have helped him a lot. He bought into all the hype about him more than anyone else.
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(11-17-2016 10:49 AM)presskh Wrote:  
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(11-17-2016 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  there's a noticeable difference in the way these kids respond to Tubby over how they responded to Pastner. I'd take a whole stable of 2-3 star kids who are coachable and buy into a game plan over 4 star legends who are only interested in padding their stat columns.

YEP!! 04-rock

I'll bet the 4 and 5 star players also respond much differently to Tubby.

And I'll agree with you.
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(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

Spot on.
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(11-17-2016 11:44 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

It hasn't escaped my notice that the Tubby guys are not yet performing and the Josh guys are playing well (even if the Lawsons are a big part of that).

As of right now, Rykhoek, Clergeot, and Kessee are what would best be described as struggling.

Is Rykhoek a freshman?
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(11-17-2016 05:08 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Is Rykhoek a freshman?

I believe the way the eligibility clock works, he has one year.

But with the injuries, he could apply for a waiver for one more year.

In essence, he's a senior, but could get another season.

From what I understand.
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(11-17-2016 05:05 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 05:03 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:34 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:27 AM)450bench Wrote:  Martin is crazy fast...I don't know if you guys saw the fast break layup he had in the first half, I think, but his head was nearly rim high as he maneuvered around the kid from Milwaukee for the dunk/lay in...ridiculously athletic...I think he's going to be really, really good

Really surprised by his athleticism.

If he could shoot from respectable percentages from outside, he'd be close to an all AAC type player from what I've seen early.

Let's see him against some comp first though.

It doesn't look like we'll see that until league play starts and maybe not even then.

Well, I'm saying like Providence and such.

I think he'll be fine based on his desire and athleticism, but let's see if these performances translate from UTRGV to a "power" conference team.

They whooped up on Vermont and it'll be interesting to see how they fare against Ohio State so that could be one of the few bright spots on the OOC schedule.
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(11-17-2016 10:46 AM)holyterror Wrote:  As far as tubby vs pastner goes, I'm cautiously optimistic.

However, a new broom always sweeps clean. Any change in coaching style was bound to be an improvement.

I don't disagree with that, but let's not forget.....Tubby can always preface any discussion with his team with "When we won the National Championship...."
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(11-17-2016 05:06 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:49 AM)presskh Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 09:19 AM)Hoots Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  there's a noticeable difference in the way these kids respond to Tubby over how they responded to Pastner. I'd take a whole stable of 2-3 star kids who are coachable and buy into a game plan over 4 star legends who are only interested in padding their stat columns.

YEP!! 04-rock

I'll bet the 4 and 5 star players also respond much differently to Tubby.

And I'll agree with you.

As will I.
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(11-17-2016 05:12 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 05:08 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Is Rykhoek a freshman?

I believe the way the eligibility clock works, he has one year.

But with the injuries, he could apply for a waiver for one more year.

In essence, he's a senior, but could get another season.

From what I understand.

Ah, he's the Baylor transfer who never played a game there so for all practical purposes he is a freshman. I was going to say we need to cut him some slack after only two games thinking he was a true freshman. Hopefully now that he's healthy he will develop. He's got the size we needed, but even at 6'11" and 230 he could probably stand to pack on 10 pounds of muscle.
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(11-17-2016 05:20 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 05:12 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 05:08 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Is Rykhoek a freshman?

I believe the way the eligibility clock works, he has one year.

But with the injuries, he could apply for a waiver for one more year.

In essence, he's a senior, but could get another season.

From what I understand.

Ah, he's the Baylor transfer who never played a game there so for all practical purposes he is a freshman. I was going to say we need to cut him some slack after only two games thinking he was a true freshman. Hopefully now that he's healthy he will develop. He's got the size we needed, but even at 6'11" and 230 he could probably stand to pack on 10 pounds of muscle.

In basketball years, he's basically a freshman.

I'd go ahead and say sophomore simply because he's probably more physically and mentally mature than most freshman.

But, yeah, steep learning curve as far as on court experience.
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His body from the waist down is much older. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he makes it thru the season
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(11-17-2016 02:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 01:18 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 11:44 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

It hasn't escaped my notice that the Tubby guys are not yet performing and the Josh guys are playing well (even if the Lawsons are a big part of that).

As of right now, Rykhoek, Clergeot, and Kessee are what would best be described as struggling.

They may have been Pastner guys, but they are all from this city. The Lawson's, Crawford, Martin. Just keep a few Memphis kids here starting in 2018 and we should be rolling. I hope he can get them to stay.

Let's not forget that Pastner had to be talked into hiring Keelon and talked into Martin

Crawford would have come regardless

Pastners only real recruit may be Randall and that one could be claimed by Damon

NOT TRUE:

Let's not forget that Pastner had to be talked into hiring Keelon and talked into Martin
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