Per Finebaum, Fedora has been contacted by Coona$$ U. With the talent base available he could be very successful down there.

(11-15-2016 08:03 PM)Black Diamond Reb Wrote:  Per Finebaum, Fedora has been contacted by Coona$$ U. With the talent base available he could be very successful down there.

...Awesome...If he gets it I'm goin back to being an LSU fan...real football...real players....a real conference.....and a Real Head Coach.

He has done well at that basketball school! Probably all he can.

"Sources" are saying the Tigah's AD has his heart set on Jimbo Fisher. Fedora may be the back-up plan. That worked out pretty well for him last time.

I figured he might be high on that list at LSU... Also Texas.

I wish him well for sure! Got nothing but love for Fedora.

Maybe I'll be the only one but if he gets it I'll wish him the best.

I don't hate him and don't love him. He's a good coach, I don't think he's a great one. He brought excitement to the program, but did he ever have some growing pains as a head coach. He signed more highly rated players than other HCs have gotten here. But a lot of those guys never saw the field or flamed out. He had a really nice season in 2011, but also had the easiest schedule we'd had in a long time. Had 2 inexcusable losses that year also. Overall I thought he left the program a little better than he found it, but it's questionable how much talent we left behind. We did win a grand total of 4 games in the 3 years after he left, under 2 different coaching staffs. I hate EJ as much as the next guy, but Monken also struggled mightily his first 2 years. I have to believe at least some of that was due to Fedora not leaving much behind. Most importantly, we didn't have a QB.

I don't root against him, but I don't think he hung the moon either like some do.

I wish him the best even if I do call him Gel Boy.

Ace...

He was a quarter away from having UNC in the playoff last year.

That's pretty damn impressive.

(11-16-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  I don't hate him and don't love him. He's a good coach, I don't think he's a great one. He brought excitement to the program, but did he ever have some growing pains as a head coach. He signed more highly rated players than other HCs have gotten here. But a lot of those guys never saw the field or flamed out. He had a really nice season in 2011, but also had the easiest schedule we'd had in a long time. Had 2 inexcusable losses that year also. Overall I thought he left the program a little better than he found it, but it's questionable how much talent we left behind. We did win a grand total of 4 games in the 3 years after he left, under 2 different coaching staffs. I hate EJ as much as the next guy, but Monken also struggled mightily his first 2 years. I have to believe at least some of that was due to Fedora not leaving much behind. Most importantly, we didn't have a QB.

I don't root against him, but I don't think he hung the moon either like some do.

This ^^^. But the Jimbo Fisher thing...Fedora would be a perfect fit for FSU and could bring home some MNCs to FreeShoeU.

(11-16-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  I don't hate him and don't love him. He's a good coach, I don't think he's a great one. He brought excitement to the program, but did he ever have some growing pains as a head coach. He signed more highly rated players than other HCs have gotten here. But a lot of those guys never saw the field or flamed out. He had a really nice season in 2011, but also had the easiest schedule we'd had in a long time. Had 2 inexcusable losses that year also. Overall I thought he left the program a little better than he found it, but it's questionable how much talent we left behind. We did win a grand total of 4 games in the 3 years after he left, under 2 different coaching staffs. I hate EJ as much as the next guy, but Monken also struggled mightily his first 2 years. I have to believe at least some of that was due to Fedora not leaving much behind. Most importantly, we didn't have a QB.

I don't root against him, but I don't think he hung the moon either like some do.

The team that Fedora left behind had talent all over the field. Johnson ran off a lot of people, and the ones who stayed missed a year of conditioning. Apparently soccer games aren't up to par with other universities' workouts.

(11-16-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  I don't hate him and don't love him. He's a good coach, I don't think he's a great one. He brought excitement to the program, but did he ever have some growing pains as a head coach. He signed more highly rated players than other HCs have gotten here. But a lot of those guys never saw the field or flamed out. He had a really nice season in 2011, but also had the easiest schedule we'd had in a long time. Had 2 inexcusable losses that year also. Overall I thought he left the program a little better than he found it, but it's questionable how much talent we left behind. We did win a grand total of 4 games in the 3 years after he left, under 2 different coaching staffs. I hate EJ as much as the next guy, but Monken also struggled mightily his first 2 years. I have to believe at least some of that was due to Fedora not leaving much behind. Most importantly, we didn't have a QB.

I don't root against him, but I don't think he hung the moon either like some do.

The only problem with your "he had two inexcusable losses" is that every coach we've ever had that gave us good football season, ALWAYS HAD these same losses. It's a southern miss trend. So I don't fault him for that. He gave us a championship and probably some of the most exciting football we had seen in years. Just awesome and I miss it.

(11-17-2016 11:14 AM)theheadeagle Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  I don't hate him and don't love him. He's a good coach, I don't think he's a great one. He brought excitement to the program, but did he ever have some growing pains as a head coach. He signed more highly rated players than other HCs have gotten here. But a lot of those guys never saw the field or flamed out. He had a really nice season in 2011, but also had the easiest schedule we'd had in a long time. Had 2 inexcusable losses that year also. Overall I thought he left the program a little better than he found it, but it's questionable how much talent we left behind. We did win a grand total of 4 games in the 3 years after he left, under 2 different coaching staffs. I hate EJ as much as the next guy, but Monken also struggled mightily his first 2 years. I have to believe at least some of that was due to Fedora not leaving much behind. Most importantly, we didn't have a QB.

I don't root against him, but I don't think he hung the moon either like some do.

The only problem with your "he had two inexcusable losses" is that every coach we've ever had that gave us good football season, ALWAYS HAD these same losses. It's a southern miss trend. So I don't fault him for that. He gave us a championship and probably some of the most exciting football we had seen in years. Just awesome and I miss it.

doesn't change the fact that marsha sucked that year and well.....uab.....ya gotta be kidding me.....we ain't talkin' hoops.....

trends are only in the head of those that view trends in weakness.....

fedora's D focus is limited.....or did one not see he retained badford for 3.....1....2.....3.....******* years.....

hell, that sumbiatch would suck one for 20 dollars if he had to.....

I would never even try to defend Ellis Johnson. Let me make that clear. He was terrible. But the "he ran off all of Fedora's players" narrative just isn't backed up by facts. I can only remember 2 off the top of my head. Furious Bradley and OC Brown. They were both turds. Neither ever went anywhere else and did anything either. He may have lost a couple more but none were big difference makers and didn't go anywhere else and make a big impact.

The fact is, there was a lot of attrition under Fedora that hurt the program after he left.

Remember names like Joel Ross, Marcal Robinson, Gerald West, Alonzo Lawrence, Mujahid Assad, Ben Schoenbeger, Willie Packer, Max Mason, Jamal Woodward, Justin Jordan, Jordan McNair, Deandre Brown, David Rue, Arsenio Favor, Cortez Bowen, Ricky Loyd, and Tray Becton-Martin ?

Every single one of those guys was supposedly a big time recruit for Fedora. However, none of them except Deandre for one season, made any impact on our program. Most of them didn't last 4 years. And most of them quit or were dismissed under Fedora or Monken, not Ellis Johnson.

Before someone tries to say it, I am not blaming 2012-2014 on Fedora. It was mostly Ellis Johnson and the cast of idiots he brought in. But Larry Fedora had at least a small contribution to those struggles. Not acknowledging that is simply being stubborn and blind to facts. The guy is a pretty good coach, but he doesn't walk on water. Before 2011, a lot of people (I was not one of these) wanted him gone. Before last year a lot of UNC fans also wanted him gone. His programs tend to be a little chaotic and undisciplined, and mostly struggle on defense. He also tends to have a lot of supposedly talented players leave the program or not contribute for some unknown reason.

Like I said, the guy is a pretty good coach, but not elite in my book. Also, 90% of the coaches I've met in college and HS think he's a douche and loves himself a little too much. I've never met him, but I've had that same opinion related to me by several people.

He was only here a year, but I'd say Woodyard was at least a decent back in 2011.

(11-17-2016 02:28 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  I would never even try to defend Ellis Johnson. Let me make that clear. He was terrible. But the "he ran off all of Fedora's players" narrative just isn't backed up by facts. I can only remember 2 off the top of my head. Furious Bradley and OC Brown. They were both turds. Neither ever went anywhere else and did anything either. He may have lost a couple more but none were big difference makers and didn't go anywhere else and make a big impact.

The fact is, there was a lot of attrition under Fedora that hurt the program after he left.

Remember names like Joel Ross, Marcal Robinson, Gerald West, Alonzo Lawrence, Mujahid Assad, Ben Schoenbeger, Willie Packer, Max Mason, Jamal Woodward, Justin Jordan, Jordan McNair, Deandre Brown, David Rue, Arsenio Favor, Cortez Bowen, Ricky Loyd, and Tray Becton-Martin ?

Every single one of those guys was supposedly a big time recruit for Fedora. However, none of them except Deandre for one season, made any impact on our program. Most of them didn't last 4 years. And most of them quit or were dismissed under Fedora or Monken, not Ellis Johnson.

Before someone tries to say it, I am not blaming 2012-2014 on Fedora. It was mostly Ellis Johnson and the cast of idiots he brought in. But Larry Fedora had at least a small contribution to those struggles. Not acknowledging that is simply being stubborn and blind to facts. The guy is a pretty good coach, but he doesn't walk on water. Before 2011, a lot of people (I was not one of these) wanted him gone. Before last year a lot of UNC fans also wanted him gone. His programs tend to be a little chaotic and undisciplined, and mostly struggle on defense. He also tends to have a lot of supposedly talented players leave the program or not contribute for some unknown reason.

Like I said, the guy is a pretty good coach, but not elite in my book. Also, 90% of the coaches I've met in college and HS think he's a douche and loves himself a little too much. I've never met him, but I've had that same opinion related to me by several people.

You remember the Ellis saying " I was surprised to see that a school like Southern Miss already had 23 commits this early" and then released almost all of them to go out and find the "right kind of player"?

He didn't release "almost all of them. He released about 8 of those 23. We signed 26 players that year and at least 15 of those were committed under Fedora. Once again, I don't hate Fedora, and I certainly am no Ellis Johnson fan (do those exist?). But the facts are there were some serious problems with our roster immediately after he left.

(11-17-2016 09:23 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  He didn't release "almost all of them. He released about 8 of those 23. We signed 26 players that year and at least 15 of those were committed under Fedora. Once again, I don't hate Fedora, and I certainly am no Ellis Johnson fan (do those exist?). But the facts are there were some serious problems with our roster immediately after he left.

8 out of 23 is more than 1/3 of the class. It may be far from all of them, but that's more than enough to make a significant impact.

As I have broken down previously:

Quote:Ellis Johnson's lone Spring Game roster had 7 players on offense (LG, C, RG, RT, WR, and BOTH running backs) and 5 on defense (a safety, a corner, and ALL THREE linebackers) who started the Championship Game in Houston. Not just "played in," STARTED. That's not even counting Lampley, who was technically a sub. Of 4 USM players with rushes in that game, 3 were still on Johnson's team (Austin Davis was the 4th). 4 of 6 with receptions in that game returned.

Depth became a real issue by the time Monken came along, but when you hire two coaches in as many years, and both have philosophies diametrically opposed to their predecessor, you pretty much have to expect the turnover to be brutal.

(11-18-2016 12:43 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 09:23 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  He didn't release "almost all of them. He released about 8 of those 23. We signed 26 players that year and at least 15 of those were committed under Fedora. Once again, I don't hate Fedora, and I certainly am no Ellis Johnson fan (do those exist?). But the facts are there were some serious problems with our roster immediately after he left.

8 out of 23 is more than 1/3 of the class. It may be far from all of them, but that's more than enough to make a significant impact.

As I have broken down previously:

Quote:Ellis Johnson's lone Spring Game roster had 7 players on offense (LG, C, RG, RT, WR, and BOTH running backs) and 5 on defense (a safety, a corner, and ALL THREE linebackers) who started the Championship Game in Houston. Not just "played in," STARTED. That's not even counting Lampley, who was technically a sub. Of 4 USM players with rushes in that game, 3 were still on Johnson's team (Austin Davis was the 4th). 4 of 6 with receptions in that game returned.

Depth became a real issue by the time Monken came along, but when you hire two coaches in as many years, and both have philosophies diametrically opposed to their predecessor, you pretty much have to expect the turnover to be brutal.

those dang facts always get in the way

(11-17-2016 06:20 PM)mlytc Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 02:28 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  I would never even try to defend Ellis Johnson. Let me make that clear. He was terrible. But the "he ran off all of Fedora's players" narrative just isn't backed up by facts. I can only remember 2 off the top of my head. Furious Bradley and OC Brown. They were both turds. Neither ever went anywhere else and did anything either. He may have lost a couple more but none were big difference makers and didn't go anywhere else and make a big impact.

The fact is, there was a lot of attrition under Fedora that hurt the program after he left.

Remember names like Joel Ross, Marcal Robinson, Gerald West, Alonzo Lawrence, Mujahid Assad, Ben Schoenbeger, Willie Packer, Max Mason, Jamal Woodward, Justin Jordan, Jordan McNair, Deandre Brown, David Rue, Arsenio Favor, Cortez Bowen, Ricky Loyd, and Tray Becton-Martin ?

Every single one of those guys was supposedly a big time recruit for Fedora. However, none of them except Deandre for one season, made any impact on our program. Most of them didn't last 4 years. And most of them quit or were dismissed under Fedora or Monken, not Ellis Johnson.

Before someone tries to say it, I am not blaming 2012-2014 on Fedora. It was mostly Ellis Johnson and the cast of idiots he brought in. But Larry Fedora had at least a small contribution to those struggles. Not acknowledging that is simply being stubborn and blind to facts. The guy is a pretty good coach, but he doesn't walk on water. Before 2011, a lot of people (I was not one of these) wanted him gone. Before last year a lot of UNC fans also wanted him gone. His programs tend to be a little chaotic and undisciplined, and mostly struggle on defense. He also tends to have a lot of supposedly talented players leave the program or not contribute for some unknown reason.

Like I said, the guy is a pretty good coach, but not elite in my book. Also, 90% of the coaches I've met in college and HS think he's a douche and loves himself a little too much. I've never met him, but I've had that same opinion related to me by several people.

You remember the Ellis saying " I was surprised to see that a school like Southern Miss already had 23 commits this early" and then released almost all of them to go out and find the "right kind of player"?

here's the backside of 'the bag'.....my "fave" from that **********......