(11-15-2016 08:44 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 08:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The Big East is the highest paid basketball conference, have the reigning national champion, have a top 5 conference attendance, an average of half the league making the NCAA tournament, Madison Square Garden as a conference tournament host, a scheduling alliance with the B1G, and a brand that brings a history of elite basketball.

Anyone that tries to argue that the Big East is not a power basketball conference is living in denial.

Its funny because other power basketball conference fans usually dont hold that opinion. It's just the salty AAC fans that somehow think that way.

By any objective measure - RPI, attendance, TV contract, NCAA tournament units earned - the Big East is in the top 6. It's not even a borderline call. I think some people think that because it has lost a step from its prior configuration it has lost its major status. It used to be number one or two, now it's four, five or six. That's still major.

There's clearly a gap on any of the objective measures between the 6 major conferences and the AAC or A10. The AAC, to be certain, is a work in progress. It may prove to be a major basketball conference when the dust settles, particularly if Memphis regains form and SMU is able to maintain the competitiveness it reached over the past few seasons. Right now, it is not.

Beyond Villanova's national championship last year... they didn't even win the BE Tourney (Seton Hall), but they went on to absolutely crush Miami by 25 and Oklahoma by 44 pts... just an absolute dismantling of OU, 44 points was most in any Final Four game, ran them off the court, held Hield to 10 points. They had their wins vs Kansas and UNC too, so they had a difficult path. Great roster depth.

Granted its early, but the BE is 15-0 this year, with a road win over Purdue (a very good team) and neutral win over Vandy (a not so good team). Tonight will be a bit more of a challenge. Georgetown plays Maryland and Creighton plays Wisconsin at home.

(11-10-2016 06:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Okay...the first 6 are obvious

ACC
B1G
Big12
SEC Kentucky
PAC12
Big East

FTFY

Quote:Looking at attendance, history, TV draw I think a only one more gets invited to the Power Elite...I would add the AAC and make it The Big 7

Does the MWC, A10,or the MVC have a claim?

Wait, what -- there's going to be an invitation extended...? When?

(11-15-2016 11:20 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Okay...the first 6 are obvious

ACC
B1G
Big12
SEC Kentucky
PAC12
Big East

FTFY

Quote:Looking at attendance, history, TV draw I think a only one more gets invited to the Power Elite...I would add the AAC and make it The Big 7

Does the MWC, A10,or the MVC have a claim?

Wait, what -- there's going to be an invitation extended...? When?

Lets play the remove the best team game for all conferences...not just the SEC. You'll see your argument that the SEC is somehow weak if you take out UK is kind of BS.

Last 20 years

SEC - less UK...National championships...2. National finals 3. Final 4 appearances 5. Elite 8...11 (5 separate teams)

Big East - less Villanova ... National championships...0 National Finals 2. Final 4 appearances 4.. Elite 8 apparances.. 8.

Big 12 - less Kansas...National championships...0 National Finals...0. Final 4's ...5. Elite 8...14

Pac 12 - less Arizona...National championships...0 National Finals...2. Final 4's ...5 Elite 8's...10

Big 10 - doesn't really have a dominant team. I'll drop Michigan State... National championships..1. Finals..4.. Final 4's...12. Elite 8.. a lot.

ACC - no dominant team and they win across the board, regardless of which team I drop.

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I don't think your attempt to portray the SEC as somehow a weak conference with a good UK team is really correct. The SEC, even without UK appears to perform better in the NCAA tournament than many other conferences (B1G/ACC excepted) minus their top program.

(11-15-2016 07:43 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 07:23 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  So what, this isn't 1985. If you don't have football in this day and age, you have zero insurance as an athletic department and don't have the platform that the major football playing schools do. Georgetown is a Patriot League type school, St. John's is a MAAC school living off its name and history. Seton Hall barely has that, they'd be nothing without the old Big East (didn't make their first tourney appearance until 1988). Need I go on?

LOL BE is making more for basketball then the AAC is making for both FB and CBB. Add in the fact that the BE is the only conference currently undefeated/multiple schools recruiting in the top 50.

Listen, I know the AAC fan boys don't like it that the C7 left when you guys came in but there is a reason for that. BE wanted to remain a power conference. They wouldn't have if they stuck around to play Houston/Tulane/ECU/UCF and Tulsa.

It's got nothing to do with any Big East-AAC rivalry.

If you don't have big time football, you can't be put amongst the really elite. Not counting UConn's 1999 title, 'Nova's title was the first by a non-football Big East/AAC school in 30 years...also won by 'Nova.

In the end, it doesn't matter what I think, just what's proven on the court. If someone thinks the nBE is a major, I'm not gonna shout them down.

(11-15-2016 01:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Lets play the remove the best team game for all conferences...not just the SEC. You'll see your argument that the SEC is somehow weak if you take out UK is kind of BS.

Last 20 years

SEC - less UK...National championships...2. National finals 3. Final 4 appearances 5. Elite 8...11 (5 separate teams)

Big East - less Villanova ... National championships...0 National Finals 2. Final 4 appearances 4.. Elite 8 apparances.. 8.

Big 12 - less Kansas...National championships...0 National Finals...0. Final 4's ...5. Elite 8...14

Pac 12 - less Arizona...National championships...0 National Finals...2. Final 4's ...5 Elite 8's...10

Big 10 - doesn't really have a dominant team. I'll drop Michigan State... National championships..1. Finals..4.. Final 4's...12. Elite 8.. a lot.

ACC - no dominant team and they win across the board, regardless of which team I drop.

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I don't think your attempt to portray the SEC as somehow a weak conference with a good UK team is really correct. The SEC, even without UK appears to perform better in the NCAA tournament than many other conferences (B1G/ACC excepted) minus their top program.

The Pac has at least 3 Final Fours given that UCLA went 3 straight years from 1996-98. And Arizona is a highly accomplished program, especially over the last 30 years but UCLA is still the class of the Pac-12 in basketball.

(11-15-2016 01:41 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 01:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Lets play the remove the best team game for all conferences...not just the SEC. You'll see your argument that the SEC is somehow weak if you take out UK is kind of BS.

Last 20 years

SEC - less UK...National championships...2. National finals 3. Final 4 appearances 5. Elite 8...11 (5 separate teams)

Big East - less Villanova ... National championships...0 National Finals 2. Final 4 appearances 4.. Elite 8 apparances.. 8.

Big 12 - less Kansas...National championships...0 National Finals...0. Final 4's ...5. Elite 8...14

Pac 12 - less Arizona...National championships...0 National Finals...2. Final 4's ...5 Elite 8's...10

Big 10 - doesn't really have a dominant team. I'll drop Michigan State... National championships..1. Finals..4.. Final 4's...12. Elite 8.. a lot.

ACC - no dominant team and they win across the board, regardless of which team I drop.

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I don't think your attempt to portray the SEC as somehow a weak conference with a good UK team is really correct. The SEC, even without UK appears to perform better in the NCAA tournament than many other conferences (B1G/ACC excepted) minus their top program.

The Pac has at least 3 Final Fours given that UCLA went 3 straight years from 1996-98. And Arizona is a highly accomplished program, especially over the last 30 years but UCLA is still the class of the Pac-12 in basketball.

Actually you have your years wrong. UCLA went for 3 years from 2006-8. Its included in the number above. I know it sounds odd not to take UCLA as the prominent team...but numbers are numbers. At least over the last 20 years. Arizona has a national championship and EIGHT elite 8 berths in the last 20 years.

Yeah, sorry, Freudian slip. 2006-08 for UCLA.

Anyways, it's a case where there's a 1a and 1b. UCLA won a title just outside the time period and only 2 years after Arizona. Arizona's will fall off the 20 year table after the conclusion of this season. UCLA is easily the most successful Pac-X program and the historic face of the conference, which is why I would use them. But I don't think your rationale is ridiculous either.

(11-15-2016 01:38 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 07:43 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 07:23 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  So what, this isn't 1985. If you don't have football in this day and age, you have zero insurance as an athletic department and don't have the platform that the major football playing schools do. Georgetown is a Patriot League type school, St. John's is a MAAC school living off its name and history. Seton Hall barely has that, they'd be nothing without the old Big East (didn't make their first tourney appearance until 1988). Need I go on?

LOL BE is making more for basketball then the AAC is making for both FB and CBB. Add in the fact that the BE is the only conference currently undefeated/multiple schools recruiting in the top 50.

Listen, I know the AAC fan boys don't like it that the C7 left when you guys came in but there is a reason for that. BE wanted to remain a power conference. They wouldn't have if they stuck around to play Houston/Tulane/ECU/UCF and Tulsa.

It's got nothing to do with any Big East-AAC rivalry.

If you don't have big time football, you can't be put amongst the really elite. Not counting UConn's 1999 title, 'Nova's title was the first by a non-football Big East/AAC school in 30 years...also won by 'Nova.

In the end, it doesn't matter what I think, just what's proven on the court. If someone thinks the nBE is a major, I'm not gonna shout them down.

People keep saying that and yet Bama who is the biggest of the FB powers is far from a BBall power. They have little say in the world of college basketball. If they want a basketball rule change they will have a hard tike getting it done. Villanova or Georgetown on the other hand would have an easier time in that regard. For example Kentucky has a much larger presence in basketball yet no one ever mistakes that for clout in the FB world.

Big time football has little to do with big time basketball. The SEC is easily the worst power basketball conference. It's not even an argument. The Big East is clearly higher up than they are and I'd put them above the Pac-12 as well.