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Cronin's previous two classes have been encouraging and a step in the right direction. If he can sustain the momentum from those two classes moving forward we will continue to improve.
 
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(11-16-2016 11:40 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(11-16-2016 10:24 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  Their 2016 class was #8 in the country, it's the highest rated class they've had since 2008 (which was ranked #7). Doesn't seem like the AAC has hurt their recruiting at all. What's Cincinnati's excuse?

You must love the fantasy numbers dreamed up for high school talent. My focus is actually playing college basketball.

Wagner 67 - UConn 58
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Wagner lost to to UMass-Lowell 87-76
You must love meaning one thing and saying another. My focus is on the content you actually posted which was:

Quote:You guys still don't get the fact that Mick is recruiting in the AAC - not the ACC. Look what has happened to UConn. Even the new Big East is more attractive to kids from NY/NJ from all the past history and the opportunity to play in the Gardens. Xavier should be able to out recruit UC most years. Again, that is just another reason why it was so critical to get into the B12.

You tried to argue that recruiting has suffered due to the American, well UConn's recruiting has actually improved. So again I ask the question, what is Cincinnati's excuse?
 
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(11-16-2016 12:12 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  
(11-16-2016 11:40 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(11-16-2016 10:24 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  Their 2016 class was #8 in the country, it's the highest rated class they've had since 2008 (which was ranked #7). Doesn't seem like the AAC has hurt their recruiting at all. What's Cincinnati's excuse?

You must love the fantasy numbers dreamed up for high school talent. My focus is actually playing college basketball.

Wagner 67 - UConn 58
Northeastern 64 - UConn 61

Wagner lost to to UMass-Lowell 87-76
You must love meaning one thing and saying another. My focus is on the content you actually posted which was:

Quote:You guys still don't get the fact that Mick is recruiting in the AAC - not the ACC. Look what has happened to UConn. Even the new Big East is more attractive to kids from NY/NJ from all the past history and the opportunity to play in the Gardens. Xavier should be able to out recruit UC most years. Again, that is just another reason why it was so critical to get into the B12.

You tried to argue that recruiting has suffered due to the American, well UConn's recruiting has actually improved. So again I ask the question, what is Cincinnati's excuse?
Rating services - what a joke. Just like your argument. Who cares about rating services - sorry, you do. Most of us just want our teams to win on a NCAA floor. I'm sure the few recruiting service geeks are loving UConn right now, the rest of their fans not so much.
 
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(11-16-2016 12:20 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(11-16-2016 12:12 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  
(11-16-2016 11:40 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(11-16-2016 10:24 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  Their 2016 class was #8 in the country, it's the highest rated class they've had since 2008 (which was ranked #7). Doesn't seem like the AAC has hurt their recruiting at all. What's Cincinnati's excuse?

You must love the fantasy numbers dreamed up for high school talent. My focus is actually playing college basketball.

Wagner 67 - UConn 58
Northeastern 64 - UConn 61

Wagner lost to to UMass-Lowell 87-76
You must love meaning one thing and saying another. My focus is on the content you actually posted which was:

Quote:You guys still don't get the fact that Mick is recruiting in the AAC - not the ACC. Look what has happened to UConn. Even the new Big East is more attractive to kids from NY/NJ from all the past history and the opportunity to play in the Gardens. Xavier should be able to out recruit UC most years. Again, that is just another reason why it was so critical to get into the B12.

You tried to argue that recruiting has suffered due to the American, well UConn's recruiting has actually improved. So again I ask the question, what is Cincinnati's excuse?
Rating services - what a joke. Just like your argument. Who cares about rating services - sorry, you do. Most of us just want our teams to win on a NCAA floor. I'm sure the few recruiting service geeks are loving UConn right now, the rest of their fans not so much.
Connecticut has four game win streak over Cincinnati in postseason games including three consecutive years knocking them out of the conference tournament (in three different locations: Memphis, Hartford and Orlando). I'm sure they'll be fine...07-coffee3
 
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We have two all conference players and a budding superstar in Jacob Evans. When will recruiting be good enough; an entire team of all conference caliber players?
 
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This argument is ridiculous. Someone was basically saying it earlier, but UConn is still recruiting well in the AAC because they won National Titles while in the Big East (yes, I know one was in the AAC). Since 1999, they have 4 titles, 5 Final Fours, and 7 Elite Eights. Since 1999, we haven't even seen the Elite Eight. They've had so much more recent success than us, and they're still feeding off that. People seem to think UC and UConn are in the same boat simply because we've played right with them the last few years. Look at anything before 2014 and they've owned us. UConn would be recruiting even better had the Big East not broken up. So would UC. Ask Chad Brendel how much of a factor conference is in recruiting. It's not an excuse, it's a reason.
 
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Early season losses are generally not critical to teams that improve. Look no further than uconn or syracuse which both come to mind making ncaa championship runs while struggling at times earlier during the year. It's better to finish strong and struggle early. Peaking at the right time is what it is all about.
 
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(11-16-2016 11:33 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  The bottom line is in 10 years under Mick Cronin, UC has had one conference title, zero conference tourney titles, and only gotten past the first weekend of the NCAA tourney one time.

So if anyone believes his recruiting is up to par then they must concede his coaching is not up to par.

I'm a fan of Micks and think he's done a decent job at UC. But he clearly plateaued several years ago. I'd prefer to see Mick succeed at a higher level than getting a new coach cause I like him. But I just don't see it happening without something dramatic changing (conference change).

See my previous statement, I don't think he plateaued, I think he hit a recruiting hole:

Years I think we had a top 25 type recruiting class not based on rankings but what the guys did when they got here: 2008,2009,2013,2014,2015,2016

Years below par: 2006,2007,2010,2011,2012

We now have a some decent seniors. The next 3 years will determine what type of coach Mick is to me. It's the first time he'll have the horses two years in a row to do something - and maybe 3.

Then he should be set up with the new arena bounce.
 
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One thing I have noticed about Cronin so far is I've seen him trying to get UC to speed things up several times coming down the floor on offense.

I think it is a good sign that he is serious about playing more up-tempo.

I believe I've read comments and heard announcers saying he wants Caupain to be more aggressive.

So I think Cronin truly wants what a lot of us do.
 
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Kyle Washington, in body type, play-style, and attitude, looks like he could be a homeless man's K-Mart.

Evans looks like he's going to make "the jump" this year.

Jennifer seems to have finally settled in, albeit against minor competition.

Troy still isn't as assertive as he should be.

Gary needs to work on his face-up game, but we know what we've got with him.

KJ needs to start working on his towel waving and dunk celebrations with Tobler.

Scott could be a very good one if his offensive games gets to even half of what his defensive ceiling could be.

Cumberland will be a starter by the end of the year, and could potentially average near double digits. Having him and Evans for the next two years will be the first time we have two highly assertive "give me the damn ball" scorers since before Cronin was on the bench.
 
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I'd say the talent level is a little higher than previous years. Assuming Mick's coaching stays consistent (and it always has), I foresee a season where we easily make the NCAA tournament and win 1-3 games there.
 
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(11-16-2016 02:12 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  KJ needs to start working on his towel waving and dunk celebrations with Tobler.

Agreed 100%! 03-lmfao
 
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Don't give up on KJ this early. He's been pretty sick with the flu and bronchitis. I think once he's totally healthy he'll contribute more offensively.
 
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(11-16-2016 01:40 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  One thing I have noticed about Cronin so far is I've seen him trying to get UC to speed things up several times coming down the floor on offense.

I think it is a good sign that he is serious about playing more up-tempo.

I believe I've read comments and heard announcers saying he wants Caupain to be more aggressive.

So I think Cronin truly wants what a lot of us do.

I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I believe UC's offense will be better once Caupain is gone. He's a good all-around player but he is the key to speeding up the offense and he simply won't do it. Keep track next game of how many times he walks the ball up the court versus pushing it up the court. He's just too conservative.

UC's offensive talent and Cronin's offensive coaching both aren't good enough to score well in a half court set. That's been shown quite well over the last decade. This team needs points off turnovers and fast breaks. They've got the defensive part down but they just won't commit to running a fast pace offense and it all starts with a PG that is willing and capable of running it. If Mick allows them, Justin Jennifer and Cane Broome will do this next year.
 
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(11-17-2016 08:59 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(11-16-2016 01:40 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  One thing I have noticed about Cronin so far is I've seen him trying to get UC to speed things up several times coming down the floor on offense.

I think it is a good sign that he is serious about playing more up-tempo.

I believe I've read comments and heard announcers saying he wants Caupain to be more aggressive.

So I think Cronin truly wants what a lot of us do.

I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I believe UC's offense will be better once Caupain is gone. He's a good all-around player but he is the key to speeding up the offense and he simply won't do it. Keep track next game of how many times he walks the ball up the court versus pushing it up the court. He's just too conservative.

Is this because Troy Caupain walks it up the court, or is this because Cronin requires that?
 
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Personally, I agree that it's a Troy thing with regards to the pace. I don't think the offense will be "better" though, just faster.
 
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(11-17-2016 09:52 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Personally, I agree that it's a Troy thing with regards to the pace. I don't think the offense will be "better" though, just faster.

It does feel like people often get the two confused. Sure, going at a faster pace will score more, but it's obviously going to give up a lot more, too. I frankly don't care what pace we go at. Offense should just keep moving, and if you're open, and guys are in position to rebound, fire away. Doesn't matter if there are 25 or 5 seconds left in the shot clock. Obviously strategy can change once you come down to the end of the game, but from a general perspective, pace doesn't matter, IMO. Just be more efficient on offense. That's been our problem, not pace. Schools like Virginia, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Michigan, etc. have had a lot of success while playing slow.
 
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I'm not sure who decides to walk the ball (10 seconds to get to the midcourt line every time??? Really???), Mick or Troy, but I'm not a fan. It gives the defense plenty of time to settle into zone defenses that we can't overcome, leading to 30 seconds of passing around the perimeter and then heaving up an ugly 3 every... single... time. Possession after possession, game after game, year after year. It gets old.

My only logic to why we do this is to slow down the games into low-scoring affairs, giving us a better chance of winning because our offense can't keep up with decent offenses. Maybe Coach could hire an "offensive coordinator" instead of fighting to increase his own salary and contract duration after a disappointing season.
 
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(11-17-2016 10:15 AM)#BearcatNation Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 09:52 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Personally, I agree that it's a Troy thing with regards to the pace. I don't think the offense will be "better" though, just faster.

It does feel like people often get the two confused. Sure, going at a faster pace will score more, but it's obviously going to give up a lot more, too. I frankly don't care what pace we go at. Offense should just keep moving, and if you're open, and guys are in position to rebound, fire away. Doesn't matter if there are 25 or 5 seconds left in the shot clock. Obviously strategy can change once you come down to the end of the game, but from a general perspective, pace doesn't matter, IMO. Just be more efficient on offense. That's been our problem, not pace. Schools like Virginia, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Michigan, etc. have had a lot of success while playing slow.

Picking up the pace doesn't mean you have to take wild shots and shoot the ball in the first 5 seconds on every possession. Its about creating more fast break opportunities which have a much higher percentage of turning into points than just running offense from the half court set.

As little as 3-4 fast break baskets added per game that would have otherwise been poor percentage half court sets can improve UC's offense from mediocre to above average.
 
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(11-17-2016 10:51 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 10:15 AM)#BearcatNation Wrote:  
(11-17-2016 09:52 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Personally, I agree that it's a Troy thing with regards to the pace. I don't think the offense will be "better" though, just faster.

It does feel like people often get the two confused. Sure, going at a faster pace will score more, but it's obviously going to give up a lot more, too. I frankly don't care what pace we go at. Offense should just keep moving, and if you're open, and guys are in position to rebound, fire away. Doesn't matter if there are 25 or 5 seconds left in the shot clock. Obviously strategy can change once you come down to the end of the game, but from a general perspective, pace doesn't matter, IMO. Just be more efficient on offense. That's been our problem, not pace. Schools like Virginia, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Michigan, etc. have had a lot of success while playing slow.

Picking up the pace doesn't mean you have to take wild shots and shoot the ball in the first 5 seconds on every possession. Its about creating more fast break opportunities which have a much higher percentage of turning into points than just running offense from the half court set.

As little as 3-4 fast break baskets added per game that would have otherwise been poor percentage half court sets can improve UC's offense from mediocre to above average.

That seems like quite an exaggeration from what I was saying, but I still get your point. I often don't care for the stalling, unless it's to let everyone catch their breath. If you're moving and passing constantly throughout the entire half-court, and still can't get a decent shot off, then I can understand that and tip my cap to the defense. But when they're only giving themselves enough time for 3-4 passes, since they sometimes don't start running a play till there are 15 seconds left on the shot clock, that's when I get frustrated.
 
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