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(02-05-2017 02:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why was the arena site near ASU rejected?

West Valley vs Tempe politics in the state legislature. Glendale doesn't want to lose its tenant,, as that will hand it even bigger losses and their politicians are against giving even a minor amount to a new arena in Tempe. Arizona St didn't want to get in the middle. Glendale loses no matter what, but it would be worse of the Coyotes move out of state next year.
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Cutting off the nose to spite the face, it would seem, if the Coyotes leave the state.
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(11-15-2016 10:42 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I really do think this is a game-changer for the Arizona Coyotes. I think the conventional wisdom is that there are not enough hockey fans in a non-traditional warm weather city like Phoenix. However, after spending some time out there last winter, and going to a game, I can see why the trip out to Glendale would dissuade people from attending games. We stayed in Tempe and it took us forever to get to the arena. It is right next to the Cardinals' stadium but there's literally nothing else out there.

The Cardinals can get away with it because the NFL is it's own animal and they play almost exclusively on Sunday afternoons. However, NBA and NHL teams need to be centrally located so people can get there right after work. I don't know anything about their season-ticket base but it is my understanding that most of them are in the Tempe/Scottsdale area. From that standpoint, this really makes a lot of sense for the Coyotes.

Also, that bar area near ASU is one of the coolest bar areas of any college I've ever been around. It really is quaint and charming and would make a really nice place for people to go prior to the game or immediately afterwards. It reminds me a little bit of what Nashville has going on with Bridgestone Arena or what Columbus has going on and it's Arena District. The game experience at both of those places is top notch and I hope the Arizona can create the same type of environment in its new arena.
The area you refer to is legendary and called "Mill Avenue"--my sister used to live out there when the Cardinals still played football at Arizona St's Football Stadium. Been there and the Fiesta Bowl. Very fond memories of that place.
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What is the smallest capacity currently among D1 hockey participants? About where would the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentile fall?

Answered my own question (although this is sort of skewed by the number of large, joint use facilities):
1st quartile: 2493
Median: 4000
3rd quartile: 6221

I wonder what ASU's target capacity is.
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(02-06-2017 06:44 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  What is the smallest capacity currently among D1 hockey participants? About where would the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentile fall?

Answered my own question (although this is sort of skewed by the number of large, joint use facilities):
1st quartile: 2493
Median: 4000
3rd quartile: 6221

I wonder what ASU's target capacity is.

Ariz St's Oceanside is currently the smallest at only 840 fan capacity. Several teams in Atlantic Hockey have rinks from 1200-1800, but many have recently upgraded and more are planned, as that league doesn't seem to be satisfied anymore with a lower grade of DI hockey.

A western public school generally needs to have at least a 4000 seat rink to have a hope of breaking even. Believe that the planned secondary rink with the Coyotes was 4000. Ariz St would have played some games in the main rink, as they do now at Gila River.
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(02-06-2017 07:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 06:44 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  What is the smallest capacity currently among D1 hockey participants? About where would the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentile fall?

Answered my own question (although this is sort of skewed by the number of large, joint use facilities):
1st quartile: 2493
Median: 4000
3rd quartile: 6221

I wonder what ASU's target capacity is.

Ariz St's Oceanside is currently the smallest at only 840 fan capacity. Several teams in Atlantic Hockey have rinks from 1200-1800, but many have recently upgraded and more are planned, as that league doesn't seem to be satisfied anymore with a lower grade of DI hockey.

A western public school generally needs to have at least a 4000 seat rink to have a hope of breaking even. Believe that the planned secondary rink with the Coyotes was 4000. Ariz St would have played some games in the main rink, as they do now at Gila River.

I'm sure potential D1 move-ups would like to subsidize the cost of offering the sport with ticket revenue as much as possible (especially the 18 scholarships for women's sports that have to come along), but I'm not sure that there is enough fan support to reach 4K attendance for most of these schools. I also don't think breaking even from gate receipts is a prerequisite to moving up for the P5 schools that have conference network content to provide.
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(02-07-2017 02:18 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 07:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 06:44 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  What is the smallest capacity currently among D1 hockey participants? About where would the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentile fall?

Answered my own question (although this is sort of skewed by the number of large, joint use facilities):
1st quartile: 2493
Median: 4000
3rd quartile: 6221

I wonder what ASU's target capacity is.

Ariz St's Oceanside is currently the smallest at only 840 fan capacity. Several teams in Atlantic Hockey have rinks from 1200-1800, but many have recently upgraded and more are planned, as that league doesn't seem to be satisfied anymore with a lower grade of DI hockey.

A western public school generally needs to have at least a 4000 seat rink to have a hope of breaking even. Believe that the planned secondary rink with the Coyotes was 4000. Ariz St would have played some games in the main rink, as they do now at Gila River.

I'm sure potential D1 move-ups would like to subsidize the cost of offering the sport with ticket revenue as much as possible (especially the 18 scholarships for women's sports that have to come along), but I'm not sure that there is enough fan support to reach 4K attendance for most of these schools. I also don't think breaking even from gate receipts is a prerequisite to moving up for the P5 schools that have conference network content to provide.

Michigan, though it has a slew of DII teams playing DI men's hockey, doesn't have a single DI women's hockey team. Neither does Colorado, Nebraska or Alaska. UND is the most western women's hockey school.

Doubt Ohio State's use of the Schottenstein empty arena shows well on TV or creates viewing interest for the BTN. Granted, the BTN pays well.
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