Sam Houston State's schedule is extremely weak. No FBS and other than UCA, lousy conference teams. Imagine how weak SHSU's strength of schedule would be if it INCLUDED their 1st game. It was against a D-II team, Oklahoma Panhandle State University.

IMHOP its should be:
1. NDSU
2. EWU
3. JMU
4. Citadel
5. JSU
6. SHSU

Don't think there could be any argument against NDSU & EWU #1 & #2. Toughest SOS (110 & 138).

-JMU is 9-0 vs I-AA, 3-0 vs playoffs teams (UR, VU, and the winner of UNH/Maine) Beat all 4 of those teams on the road, 2 of whom were Top 10 at the time. 1-0 vs Top 8 seed. Sagarin SOS 180.

-Citadel is 9-0 vs I-AA and has beaten 3 likely playoff teams. Did beat a Div II. Sagarin SOS 174, and will go stronger when they play UNC this weekend.

-JSU is 8-0 vs I-AA and has beaten 0 likely playoff teams. They did beat CCSU at home 27-26, and CCSU would be a playoff team if they were eligible. The next most impressive is losing by only 3 TDs @ LSU. Beat a Div II, a decent Liberty. OVC not very strong this year. Sagarin SOS is 176

-SHSU is 9-0 vs I-AA and has beaten 0 likely playoff teams. Of course IF they beat UCA then they will have beaten a playoff team. Didn't play a I-A, beat a Div II, and have played a weak Southland slate. They haven't beaten ANYONE worth a damn. Sagarin SOS is 226. The only likely playoff team with a weaker SOS? San Diego from the non scholly Pioneer. If beating UCA moved them ahead of JMU that would be a compete CROCK.

7-10 looks about right. if UCA loses to SHSU they obviously drop out of the top 8. If SHSU loses I would think they would drop out also, or at least fall back to 8th..

(11-15-2016 11:33 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:23 PM)jmuduke10 Wrote:  I don't care if we have to go through the Fargo dome, but if we aren't top 4 with our resume, I'll be pissed. I'm very concerned that SHSU is going to jump us if they beat UCA (although they will be prime for an upset once they play a decent team in the playoffs.


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The Bison have never lost a playoff game in the Fargodome, going a perfect 16–0. The last home playoff loss the Bison suffered was in 1991 against Minnesota State when the Bison were still a member of Division II and still playing at Dacotah Field. The tremendous crowd noise caused by the Fargodome's steel roof disrupts many opposing offenses and creates one of the best home field advantages in college football. Overall Record in FD: 133–23 (.853)

I dont see the top 3 losing this weekend, and therefore no move up for us since we play lowly Elon. Obviously it would be a concern if we got there and we'll have to go through them at some point, but top 4 keeps us at Bridgeforth up until we'd have to go up against the bison.

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(11-15-2016 10:38 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  New selection committee rankings are:

1) NDSU
2) EWU
3) JSU
4) JMU
5) Sam Houston St
6) Citadel
7) Central Ark
8) Richmond
9) ND
10) SDSU

This sets us up for a home game vs Sam Houston and a trip to Fargo. Hope we blow the doors off Elon and can move up a slot or two.

I'd be perfectly fine if the rankings stayed like this come Sunday morning. A chance to expose the Bearkats and old foe KC Keeler at home in the quarters, then an opportunity to bust the Bison's home winning streak at their place in the semis.

NDSU appears beatable this year and I think if anyone is going to do it, it should be us.

I don't want any part of EWU until Frisco. That red field freaks me out.

I'd only tweak it to have El Cid be #5 as opposed to #6. I think Houston would have a huge advantage, and I prefer facing a run-based team over a pass-happy team. Our Run D > Pass D. The Citadel, while undefeated, has had many close calls. SHSU (rightly so) has blown the roof off the competition like the Dukes this year.

Totally with you on avoiding the red field. No need for migraines.

I'm going to be so incredibly pissed off if we get jumped. It's f***ing ridiculous. Why did UCA jump Richmond? a 7 point win at home over 5-5 Nicholls did the trick? How many times can an undefeated CAA champ with only a "good" FBS loss and wins over 3 playoff teams get only ONE home game. I can't believe I'm actually concerned about that at this point. We could end up #5 AGAIN, even with a better conference record by 2 games. I realize we had an FBS win last year but let's be real: SMU was terrible.

It's also the way the dominoes have fallen nationally. We've been complaining about the schedules. The reason from JB for the schedules had to do with playoffs. A watered down CAA has led to the need for better OOC games if we want to be top dogs. The off-balance schedule meant us getting Elon and URI and missing SBU and Towson. With the later two teams we would have had a much stronger schedule (but just as winnable) and a no-doubt cause for #3 or #4. So Bourne bears some responsibility, unbalanced scheduling also has a share of the blame.

I disagree on the notion that the CAA is watered down per say. We just happen to get a crap draw this year of not playing Towson, SB, or Albany. All of which would have greatly increased SoS. URI and Elon just happen to be the absolute worst case scenario for us this year given the circumstances in hind site.

(11-16-2016 08:53 AM)jmu007 Wrote:  I disagree on the notion that the CAA is watered down per say. We just happen to get a crap draw this year of not playing Towson, SB, or Albany. All of which would have greatly increased SoS. URI and Elon just happen to be the absolute worst case scenario for us this year given the circumstances in hind site.

CAA ranks 4th in sagarin, so I would say it's watered down this year.

(11-16-2016 08:47 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  It's also the way the dominoes have fallen nationally. We've been complaining about the schedules. The reason from JB for the schedules had to do with playoffs. A watered down CAA has led to the need for better OOC games if we want to be top dogs. The off-balance schedule meant us getting Elon and URI and missing SBU and Towson. With the later two teams we would have had a much stronger schedule (but just as winnable) and a no-doubt cause for #3 or #4. So Bourne bears some responsibility, unbalanced scheduling also has a share of the blame.

Yes he does, we play four absolute cupcakes, period. Totally stupid when you are JMU. I can see a team who is not regularly play off bound wanting four cupcakes but certainly not us. There are plenty of midpack teams like a Furman, who would be all around better for our program to play.

I'd be curious to see the OOC record of each conference. I recall seeing that the CAA went like 17-5 vs FCS teams. Not too shabby IMO.

Does anyone know why the NCAA decided to release this ranking for the first time this year? Is it a coincidence that the Gridiron Power Index seems to have vanished?

I too fear that James Madison will get jumped by Sam Houston...we will all feel that pain like a Bowie knife to the back...

This would be the week it would be most likely to happen as UCA improves SHSU's strength of schedule and Elon (who stacks up quantitatively like a Southland powder puff) hurts ours.

Wish SHSU was traveling to Conway to play on that horrible purple and gray field this weekend instead...

I would expect them to jump us if they win. I think UCA will win this one though.

im hoping UCA beats SHSU and will end any controversy over the dukes placement..I think we are in a good spot at 4 and think we should stay there but am concerned about being jumped by SHSU if they win. All the points show JMU is the stronger/better team in the ratings etc. but just like this weeks rankings compared to last weeks you just never know what that committee is thinking....
Lets play this game against ELON and make it A BLOW OUT like 63-7 or to 0 or something huge that will send a message too...even though we had cupcakes we blew them all out. the ranked teams we beat like we should against ranked FCS teams. and the FBS loss wont hurt us unless CITADEL beats UNC (doubt they will but it is Any Given Saturday) and then we most likely give up #4 to them.(Citadel)

(11-16-2016 09:37 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  Does anyone know why the NCAA decided to release this ranking for the first time this year? Is it a coincidence that the Gridiron Power Index seems to have vanished?

I too fear that James Madison will get jumped by Sam Houston...we will all feel that pain like a Bowie knife to the back...

This would be the week it would be most likely to happen as UCA improves SHSU's strength of schedule and Elon (who stacks up quantitatively like a Southland powder puff) hurts ours.

Wish SHSU was traveling to Conway to play on that horrible purple and gray field this weekend instead...

you're right, but why didn't we get a jump for beating Villanova? that was our chance to at least move up to #3 (we got bumped up one spot after beating UR). instead, we stayed still. if they valued their win over Arkansas State so much, why are they just NOW moving them up?

(11-16-2016 09:58 AM)Lwflyrod Wrote:  im hoping UCA beats SHSU and will end any controversy over the dukes placement..I think we are in a good spot at 4 and think we should stay there but am concerned about being jumped by SHSU if they win. All the points show JMU is the stronger/better team in the ratings etc. but just like this weeks rankings compared to last weeks you just never know what that committee is thinking....
Lets play this game against ELON and make it A BLOW OUT like 63-7 or to 0 or something huge that will send a message too...even though we had cupcakes we blew them all out. the ranked teams we beat like we should against ranked FCS teams. and the FBS loss wont hurt us unless CITADEL beats UNC (doubt they will but it is Any Given Saturday) and then we most likely give up #4 to them.(Citadel)

for the record, I'm a little nervous Citadel is going to have a competitive game with UNC. they do very well what UNC can't stop at all.

agreed Citadel does have a chance, if UNC plays like they have done a few times but if they play like they did with us the 2nd half and against some of their other ACC teams, Citadel will lose just like we did to the PASS. I dont think Citadels pass defense can withstand UNC passing offense, those guys are pretty good and the QB is in his ownright a good QB.

UCA jumping Richmond makes no sense. I really dont understand the committee's logic or how much time they're actually putting into these rankings. Why did NDSU all of a sudden jump to #1? There's no rhyme or reason to their rankings each week. All it's proved is they should never have done them and simply waited until Selection Sunday.

(11-16-2016 10:17 AM)#YEEHAWDUKES Wrote:  UCA jumping Richmond makes no sense. I really dont understand the committee's logic or how much time they're actually putting into these rankings. Why did NDSU all of a sudden jump to #1? There's no rhyme or reason to their rankings each week. All it's proved is they should never have done them and simply waited until Selection Sunday.

This definitely has been the most odd thing to watch the past 3 weeks. I get us being top 5 the whole time, but out of no where NDSU just jumps from 3-1. Don't get me wrong either them or EWU should be the #1 team, but it just seems odd to just make that jump the week of the selections.

(11-16-2016 10:17 AM)#YEEHAWDUKES Wrote:  All it's proved is they should never have done them and simply waited until Selection Sunday.

They did them to generate interest and hype for attention marketing and news for FCS which keeps it in the eyes of the alums/donors and fans. which in gets them all excited creates controversy/chatter to whos best and why and who should be this or that and keeps FCS in the somewhat obscure FBS limelight but not under a rock like it normally has been. Its a way to help grow the FCS and put more money into those schools coffers and by keeping the fan base focused on their schools. Are they doing all they can ..NO but at least its better than just doing nothing. plus it got prolly another couple thousand viewers to watch that show on espn 2 when they announced the rankings which they had to watch most of the program and got to see the commercials which pays the bills for ESPN2.
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