http://theclemsoninsider.com/2016/11/13/...e1YPM.uxfs

Against Georgia Tech earlier this year, Heydt’s staff, with the exception of one new person in Death Valley on Saturday., officiated that game. Clemson was penalized 10 times for 80 yards, both season highs at the time.

In the five other Clemson league games in which Heydt’s grew was not calling a Clemson game, the Tigers were penalized 44 yards less per game. In the Georgia Tech game, Clemson was penalized 65 more yards than Georgia Tech and 61 more against Pitt on Saturday.

The average of the two games in which Heydt’s crew refereed Clemson games was 10 for 91 yards, while the opponents averaged just three for 28 yards.

Against Pitt, the Tigers (9-1, 6-1 ACC) were flagged nine times for 101 yards, while Pitt was called for just three penalties for 40 yards.

n the two Clemson games Heydt’s crew officiated this season, the Tigers were flagged 19 times for a combined 181 penalties. Clemson’s opponents were flagged five times for 55 yards.

Without Heydt’s crew, Clemson has been penalized just 27 times in five ACC games for 236 yards, while the opposition has 53 called penalties for 442 yards.

In Clemson ACC game’s in which Heydt’s crew was not officiating, the Tigers have been flagged for an average of five penalties for 47 yards a game, while the opponents have been penalized 11 times for 88 yards.

An interesting statistic from the Pitt game. In the Panthers’ final four touchdown drives, Clemson was called for either holding or pass interference on all four drives after Clemson made critical stops on third down. Two of those plays were third and ten, one third and eight and one third and seven.

kind of hard to beleive Pitt only had 3 penalties against an offense that was shredding them.

I don't think that's a problem. The lead official in the Louisville Clemson game had a daughter that graduated from Clemson. Tiger fans didn't have a problem with him making some questionable calls against Louisville.
What comes around goes around.
CJ

lol, what questionable calls in the Lville game. Lville lost despite 5 clemson turnovers and 99 snaps on offense.

there was nothing like 4 penalties on 3rd and long in the Lville game. if that was true, i would have heard about it by now. lol y'all were trying to blame the ref for Quick's last of knowledge of where he needed to be for 1st down.

i don't care if you think its a problem, you are not a Clemson fan and this game didn't involve Lville.

i'm going to have to re-watch this game again. lol

Here is a Clemson article.

http://www.tigernet.com/update/player/Lo...best-front

"The ACC has had a long-standing policy that having a child that previously attended a school, does not disqualify an official from working a game with that school."

If The ACC doesn't have a problem with the parents of grads doing games involving schools their kids graduated from. How can they have a problem with rival school fans?
CJ

i don't have a problem with a ref from SC refereing the game, unless he's biased against the team. stats indicate there may be a bias. 4 penalities on 3rd and long is probably not common. i'm pointing at the stats plus the fact the ref graduated from SC, but you are framing the argument as not based on the stats, only the fact he graduated from SC.

i personally wouldn't have had a Clemson guy doing the Lville game, but I don't believe that was a ref. he wasn't calling penalities in teh game so you don't even know what you are talking about. there is no rule on a certain distance from the sideline for the marker. i also don't think it is given that Quick gets the first down even if he knows where he need to be for it.

i'm so glad Clemson beat Lville based on the Lville fans on this forum.

(11-13-2016 07:15 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i don't have a problem with a ref from SC coaching the game, unless he's biased against the team. stats indicate there may be a bias.

i personally wouldn't have had a Clemson guy doing the Lville game, but I don't believe that was a ref. he wasn't calling penalities in teh game so you don't even know what you are talking about. there is no rule on a certain distance from the sideline for the marker.

i'm so glad Clemson beat Lville based on the Lville fans on this forum.

What kind of person paints an entire fan base by a half dozen fans that post on a message board? Thankfully most posters here are more mature than that. Good thing fans don't judge Clemson fans by those that post here...
CJ

(11-13-2016 07:09 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  lol, what questionable calls in the Lville game. Lville lost despite 5 clemson turnovers and 99 snaps on offense.

there was nothing like 4 penalties on 3rd and long in the Lville game. if that was true, i would have heard about it by now. lol y'all were trying to blame the ref for Quick's last of knowledge of where he needed to be for 1st down.

i don't care if you think its a problem, you are not a Clemson fan and this game didn't involve Lville.

You see what you want to see. There were some questionable pass interference calls called against Louisville & not called against Clemson. Louisville also got away with some offensive holding I believe so the officiating was questionable for both sides. Officiating has been down nationwide this season.

(11-13-2016 07:21 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:15 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i don't have a problem with a ref from SC coaching the game, unless he's biased against the team. stats indicate there may be a bias.

i personally wouldn't have had a Clemson guy doing the Lville game, but I don't believe that was a ref. he wasn't calling penalities in teh game so you don't even know what you are talking about. there is no rule on a certain distance from the sideline for the marker.

i'm so glad Clemson beat Lville based on the Lville fans on this forum.

What kind of person paints an entire fan base by a half dozen fans that post on a message board? Thankfully most posters here are more mature than that. Good thing fans don't judge Clemson fans by those that post here...
CJ

ok, it appears to me you Lville people want attention badly.

(11-13-2016 07:21 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:09 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  lol, what questionable calls in the Lville game. Lville lost despite 5 clemson turnovers and 99 snaps on offense.

there was nothing like 4 penalties on 3rd and long in the Lville game. if that was true, i would have heard about it by now. lol y'all were trying to blame the ref for Quick's last of knowledge of where he needed to be for 1st down.

i don't care if you think its a problem, you are not a Clemson fan and this game didn't involve Lville.

You see what you want to see. There were some questionable pass interference calls called against Louisville & not called against Clemson. Louisville also got away with some offensive holding I believe so the officiating was questionable for both sides. Officiating has been down nationwide this season.

ok, well why don't you link an article similar to this one that shows penalities were way up for Lville in that game, way down for Clemson, and one of the refs was Clemson person. there are bad calls in every game, that's not what i'm talking about here. i'm talkign about a ref who might have been trying to affect outcome of game. he probably wasn't but it is fun to contemplate. Pitt needed every one of those penalities too, to pull out the win. lol

btw, i'm not usign this as an excuse, the game should have still be won. given Watson ahd already thrown 2 interceptions including one in the endzone, it was dumb to throw down there. keep the ball on the ground, don't get it, then kick FG. if they score two TDs with the remaining time on the clock, tip the hat to them. lol our defense had held them to only 1 TD in the 2nd half prior to the one after the interception.

this topic isn't about Lville.

No this topic is about a Clemson fan having the audacity to complain about officiating after benefiting from questionable calls all season.
CJ

(11-13-2016 07:25 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:21 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:09 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  lol, what questionable calls in the Lville game. Lville lost despite 5 clemson turnovers and 99 snaps on offense.

there was nothing like 4 penalties on 3rd and long in the Lville game. if that was true, i would have heard about it by now. lol y'all were trying to blame the ref for Quick's last of knowledge of where he needed to be for 1st down.

i don't care if you think its a problem, you are not a Clemson fan and this game didn't involve Lville.

You see what you want to see. There were some questionable pass interference calls called against Louisville & not called against Clemson. Louisville also got away with some offensive holding I believe so the officiating was questionable for both sides. Officiating has been down nationwide this season.

ok, well why don't you link an article similar to this one that shows penalities were way up for Lville in that game, way down for Clemson, and one of the refs was Clemson person. there are bad calls in every game, that's not what i'm talking about here.

I don't need to, I'm not the one blaming officiating for my team losing. Clemson was a huge favorite against Pitt, play up to your potential & take the refs out of the game.

(11-13-2016 07:30 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  No this topic is about a Clemson fan having the audacity to complain about officiating after benefiting from questionable calls all season.
CJ

the questionable call in the FSU game was in fact a hold, tackled the guy from behind. that guy could have made a play on Cook. FSU also got away with a hold that prevented a sack of their QB in the end zone.

FSU got a ton of pass interference calls too, two of them were bogus in my view.

(11-13-2016 07:30 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:25 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:21 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:09 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  lol, what questionable calls in the Lville game. Lville lost despite 5 clemson turnovers and 99 snaps on offense.

there was nothing like 4 penalties on 3rd and long in the Lville game. if that was true, i would have heard about it by now. lol y'all were trying to blame the ref for Quick's last of knowledge of where he needed to be for 1st down.

i don't care if you think its a problem, you are not a Clemson fan and this game didn't involve Lville.

You see what you want to see. There were some questionable pass interference calls called against Louisville & not called against Clemson. Louisville also got away with some offensive holding I believe so the officiating was questionable for both sides. Officiating has been down nationwide this season.

ok, well why don't you link an article similar to this one that shows penalities were way up for Lville in that game, way down for Clemson, and one of the refs was Clemson person. there are bad calls in every game, that's not what i'm talking about here.

I don't need to, I'm not the one blaming officiating for my team losing. Clemson was a huge favorite against Pitt, play up to your potential & take the refs out of the game.

lol, why don't you go post about Lville. everything you post on this forum seems to be related to Clemson. go talk about that big win over Wake forest last night. lol your 2nd best win. y'all overcame adversity , wake held you to 3 points in the 1st half. lol

nothing you said has discounted the fact it is unusual that the penatlies on Clemson are way up when this ref does this Clemson game. it may or may not be bias but it is interesting.

also, i have no problem with the team losing to Pitt in general. I think they are a solid team, and they'e lost a lot of close games this year. they are better than their record. I talked up Pitt earlier in the season as a team that i thought might cud get Clemson. the good news is the remaining teams on our schedule don't have Pitt's offense. in my opinion if they lose to Wake, SC, or Va tech, they weren't a top 4 team this year, even if that was their only loss. losing to a solid Pitt group on a last minute 48 yard field goal isn't a bad loss in my view. not playing up to potential is Lville in the Duke , UVA games and Wake forest for 3 quarters last night. lol

they've averaged like 39 points the past 9 games or so. I also have something in with their RB Connor, we both are Hodkgins lymphoma cancer survivors.

3 Clemson turnovers are why you lost. Considering 2 of them came in the end zone that is 14 points right there. Dabo's decision to go for it on 4th and 1 also contributed. If he punts it deep and Pitt has to go the full length of the field you probably win.

i've conceded all of that but the penalities were big too. it doesn't have to be one or the other. the personal foul penalty on Bouleware was one of the worst i've seen in football.

if i did some research, i think i wud find that four penalities on 3rd and long is pretty rare. and it is odd that a team that gave up son many yards to Clemson didn't have more than 3 penalities in the game. maybe they were so out of position that they couldn't even hold or pass interfere, lol

one thing i didn't know is that Clemson was without two of its starters on the o-line, and was playing two freshmen. that may have been why they didn't get the 1st down on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1.

Was Vegas banned temporarily? This board was great for a month or so without his clueless posts. Interesting that he actually shows back up when they lose.

Jim said what I was going to. Clemson didn't have a problem with a potential ref bias when it was in their favor for a close game last month but now it's a problem? Funny how that works.

why do the Card fans on here stalk me on this forum but then complain about me. this isn't a Cardinal related topic.

for the non-Cardinal fans on here, here is the Clemson-Pitt game in 30 minutes on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfdMex_kO0s look for the 4 phantom pass interference calls on Clemson on 3rd and long. i'll mark the time for each of them if I get some time later.

i'm not asking for you to agree with me, but i've never seen this many bad pass interference calls, there's no contact at all on them. add this into the mix on the bad personal foul penalty on Boeleware.

this is a pretty good conspiracy theory i must admit.

i'll be surprised if ACC doesn't admit the blown calls this week.

Who ever the ref in question was, he didn't make Dabo (or his offensive coordinator) to call a 4th-and-1 toss sweep, when a dive or a play-action off an HB dive would have been sufficient.

Don't have 2 Red Zone Turnovers...and no whining about the refs...lame...