(11-11-2016 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 10:50 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 10:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I wouldn't say it's likely, and I'd probably be against it if it happened.
but yeah it wouldn't shock me if it does.

Mainly though, I was just thinking of all the candidates I've voted for or volunteered for through the last 25-30 years, and all the people I've politically-looked up to, and how funny it is that anyone thinks I'm "liberal" (in the Clinton/Obama sense of the word).

Sorry if I got the lib part wrong, but reading a poster saying Trump will be impeached before he even takes office is what a lib would post.

No it isn't. It's what someone who has paid attention to Trumps life would say.

People are already predicting he will do something to compromise national security or to enrich himself to bring about a Republican impeachment. And you aren't being serious if you discount that the Republicans would prefer Pence already anyway.

Trump is the first person that has led the Republican Party to control of the House, Senate and White House since 1928. I know you will counter that he didn't do that. Well he is the candidate that won the Presidency while holding both the House and Senate. So yes he gets credit. The NeverTrumpers are so happy about that fact, many are swallowing that pride and joining with Trump now. We get you don't like Trump. He won, live with it.

(11-11-2016 11:11 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Trump is the first person that has led the Republican Party to control of the House, Senate and White House. I know you will counter that he didn't do that. Well he is the candidate that won the Presidency while holding both the House and Senate. So yes he gets credit.

Bush/43 clearly did that in 2004. He sort of did it in 2000 (Senate split 50/50, with Cheney as VP) until Jeffords left the GOP.

(11-11-2016 10:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He quite possibly may be impeached or resign. Dead serious.

IMpeached for what? YOu guys do realize there has to be a _reason_ for him to be impeached.

Good grief, the man hasn't even taken the oath of office and people are already predicting Impeachment..

"He'll be impeached ... " for????

Quote:People are already predicting he will do something to compromise national security or to enrich himself to bring about a Republican impeachment. And you aren't being serious if you discount that the Republicans would prefer Pence already anyway.

SO now we're predicting he'll do something that's not even on the radar yet? Wow...At least when people were saying Hillary would have been impeached, it was for something on the table (Clinton Foundation/Emails/lying to congress).

But now we're predicting impeachment because he _might_ do something? Hopefully you guys aren't predicating your stock selections on this style of reasoning.

AS for the question.. I do believe Trump will only run for this one term. He'll realize just how impossible it is to work wtih this congress (Even being a Republican congress), and basically go back to the business world.

One term. Both Reds and Blues will spend the first two years of the Trump presidency searching for some semblance of identity. I expect a filibuster or two, as well as the usual shenanigans from either side. During year three there will be a lot of plotting and scheming. Final year of the Trump era, the board will be set and the pieces will move. Then the madness begins again.

(11-11-2016 11:16 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Impeached for what? You guys do realize there has to be a _reason_ for him to be impeached.

A political reason, yes. But the politics of the situation may (or may not) have any bona-fide connection to Trump's actions as President.

An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives declares it to be, at any given moment in time.

Quote:I do believe Trump will only run for this one term. He'll realize just how impossible it is to work wtih this congress (Even being a Republican congress), and basically go back to the business world.

Perhaps. Another scenario is that for 4 years he will take names, kick @ss, and enact his own Trumpian agenda. Then declare victory and go home. There is precedent for this (admittedly, long ago -- James K. Polk).

He will probably do 1 term, unless he has high approval rating in his last year. At 74, he knows the odds are against him not having serious health issue by the end of his second term. Keep in mind, avg. life expectancy is 76 for men in the US.

(11-11-2016 11:11 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 10:50 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 10:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I wouldn't say it's likely, and I'd probably be against it if it happened.
but yeah it wouldn't shock me if it does.

Mainly though, I was just thinking of all the candidates I've voted for or volunteered for through the last 25-30 years, and all the people I've politically-looked up to, and how funny it is that anyone thinks I'm "liberal" (in the Clinton/Obama sense of the word).

Sorry if I got the lib part wrong, but reading a poster saying Trump will be impeached before he even takes office is what a lib would post.

No it isn't. It's what someone who has paid attention to Trumps life would say.

People are already predicting he will do something to compromise national security or to enrich himself to bring about a Republican impeachment. And you aren't being serious if you discount that the Republicans would prefer Pence already anyway.

Trump is the first person that has led the Republican Party to control of the House, Senate and White House since 1928. I know you will counter that he didn't do that. Well he is the candidate that won the Presidency while holding both the House and Senate. So yes he gets credit. The NeverTrumpers are so happy about that fact, many are swallowing that pride and joining with Trump now. We get you don't like Trump. He won, live with it.

And that addresses my post how?

Read two articles today on the topic. One from Brookes, I'm no fan, predicting impeachment first year. The other was on Prof. Allan Lichtman, one of the few to call Trump's win. Just a prediction but he thinks Trump gets impeached too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...impeached/


My dislike of Trump has nothing to do with this. It's who Trump is. He could **** something up biggly.

Shouldn't ignore that Washington pols don't like him and very well could take any opportunity to get rid of him.

And for the thousandth time, I prefer Trump to Hillary. I'm living with his win just fine. Being as how, you know, I was FOR his win.

(11-11-2016 11:16 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 10:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He quite possibly may be impeached or resign. Dead serious.

IMpeached for what? YOu guys do realize there has to be a _reason_ for him to be impeached.

Good grief, the man hasn't even taken the oath of office and people are already predicting Impeachment..

"He'll be impeached ... " for????

Quote:People are already predicting he will do something to compromise national security or to enrich himself to bring about a Republican impeachment. And you aren't being serious if you discount that the Republicans would prefer Pence already anyway.

SO now we're predicting he'll do something that's not even on the radar yet? Wow...At least when people were saying Hillary would have been impeached, it was for something on the table (Clinton Foundation/Emails/lying to congress).

But now we're predicting impeachment because he _might_ do something? Hopefully you guys aren't predicating your stock selections on this style of reasoning.

AS for the question.. I do believe Trump will only run for this one term. He'll realize just how impossible it is to work wtih this congress (Even being a Republican congress), and basically go back to the business world.

You too?

I'm not predicting anything.

And it's amazing you would react that way to my post after posting yourself:

"Assuming he hasn't resigned or been impeached first"

Edit: nm, my bad got reading DaSaints and Natives posts running together. Sorry Native.

Paul it wasn't aimed at you in particular, your comment was the one that was just used to make my argument... it was aimed at just people, opinion columnists, and tv talking dead-heads, and (yes, some posters) in general who are already firing up the "Impeachment will happen".

But to dispute one point Georgian:

Quote:An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives declares it to be, at any given moment in time.

Not exactly true, to be impeached, the House has to find a federal law that's broken (they simply cannot turn around and say "we're bringing him up for impeachment.."). At least from what i remember from my old civics and govt classes.

It was one reason that Nixon's possible impeachment was a sticky situation, as there wasn't any guarantee that Congress could have found a law by which to impeach him originally. I can't remember what the planned articles of Impeachment were for Nixon (I just remember that they were drawn up at some point... and could probably be found on a web-search if i had all my late night senses *grin*).

(11-11-2016 11:20 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:15 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:11 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Trump is the first person that has led the Republican Party to control of the House, Senate and White House. I know you will counter that he didn't do that. Well he is the candidate that won the Presidency while holding both the House and Senate. So yes he gets credit.

Bush/43 clearly did that in 2004. He sort of did it in 2000 (Senate split 50/50, with Cheney as VP) until Jeffords left the GOP.

He clearly did not. Now you are changing history. You just can't live with the fact Trump had a great victory against the Dems. You accused Trump of being a rapist. All I need to know about your hate for the man.

Don't think he accused Trump of being a rapist, he can answer if he did. I posted that he did have rape charges against him for allegedly raping a 13 year old. She dropped the charges recently out of fear after being intimidated.

(11-11-2016 11:45 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Paul it wasn't aimed at you in particular, your comment was the one that was just used to make my argument...

I edited my post above yours. Got yours and Natives posts running together. Sorry.

(11-11-2016 11:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:20 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:15 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:11 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Trump is the first person that has led the Republican Party to control of the House, Senate and White House. I know you will counter that he didn't do that. Well he is the candidate that won the Presidency while holding both the House and Senate. So yes he gets credit.

Bush/43 clearly did that in 2004. He sort of did it in 2000 (Senate split 50/50, with Cheney as VP) until Jeffords left the GOP.

He clearly did not. Now you are changing history. You just can't live with the fact Trump had a great victory against the Dems. You accused Trump of being a rapist. All I need to know about your hate for the man.

Don't think he accused Trump of being a rapist, he can answer if he did. I posted that he did have rape charges against him for allegedly raping a 13 year old. She dropped the charges recently out of fear after being intimidated.

My bad. You were the one that accused Trump of being a racist. I replied to his post, but meant to respond to yours.

No, did not accuse him.

See if I can help you.

"I posted that he did have rape charges against him for allegedly raping a 13 year old."

I assume you meant to type rapist not racist since that's what we were talking about.

(11-11-2016 11:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No, did not accuse him.

See if I can help you.

"I posted that he did have rape charges against him for allegedly raping a 13 year old."

I assume you meant to type rapist not racist since that's what we were talking about.

Í typed rapist. Yes, you accused him of being a rapist with zero proof.

(11-12-2016 12:04 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No, did not accuse him.

See if I can help you.

"I posted that he did have rape charges against him for allegedly raping a 13 year old."

I assume you meant to type rapist not racist since that's what we were talking about.

Í typed rapist. Yes, you accused him of being a rapist with zero proof.

(11-11-2016 11:54 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  My bad. You were the one that accused Trump of being a racist. I replied to his post, but meant to respond to yours.

So even with my help, bolding to highlight what you clearly are having a hard time seeing you insist on repeating your bs. Good grief.

I don't think Trump has ever raped anyone. I also do not consider him to be a racist, although that's a more subjective term in the first place.

(11-12-2016 12:11 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 12:04 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No, did not accuse him.

See if I can help you.

"I posted that he did have rape charges against him for allegedly raping a 13 year old."

I assume you meant to type rapist not racist since that's what we were talking about.

Í typed rapist. Yes, you accused him of being a rapist with zero proof.

(11-11-2016 11:54 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  My bad. You were the one that accused Trump of being a racist. I replied to his post, but meant to respond to yours.

So even with my help, bolding to highlight what you clearly are having a hard time seeing you insist on repeating your bs. Good grief.

Thought you were referring to this line..

Quote:He clearly did not. Now you are changing history. You just can't live with the fact Trump had a great victory against the Dems. You accused Trump of being a rapist. All I need to know about your hate for the man.

(11-12-2016 12:11 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think Trump has ever raped anyone. I also do not consider him to be a racist, although that's a more subjective term in the first place.

I would tend to doubt it myself.

But eh, doesn't mean I can't accuse him with zero proof, amiright usm.


He does say a lot of stupid things that give people the room to call him a racist but I don't think he is either.

(11-12-2016 12:11 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think Trump has ever raped anyone. I also do not consider him to be a racist, although that's a more subjective term in the first place.

Didn't mean to post the rapist comment in response to your post. Another poster called him a rapist. The Dems dirty tactics team tried to drum up some false rape story and that poster bit on it. Sad.

Damn. Gonna stick to your dumb*** bs I see.

Wasn't some drummed up dirty tactics story by the left. I didn't bite on it. Sad that you're a smuck.

Someone accused him of raping her when she was 13. Charges were filed. I believe court hearings were scheduled. She was being intimidated (I don't know by who or if true) and out of fear dropped the charges. Someone here, maybe you, don't remember, said she lied. I said I had seen nothing were she admitted she lied. No one offered anything to show she said she lied so I assume she hasn't said she did.

Do you understand the meaning of and use of "allegedly"? If so, stop with your repeatedly lying that I accused him of raping someone. If not, go ******* learn it.