Gotta say, this would actually be a very pleasant surprise. The problem is that you can't just keep the good parts of the law like covering people with pre existing conditions without the mandate so healthy people also enroll. I'll be interested to see what he comes up with but I get the feeling he's more liberal than Ryan, who just said he wants to privatize Medicare.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump...1478895339

Quote:In his first interview since his election earlier this week, Mr. Trump said one priority was moving “quickly” on the president’s signature health initiative, which he argued has become so unworkable and expensive that “you can’t use it.”
Yet, Mr. Trump also showed a willingness to preserve at least two provisions of the health law after the president asked him to reconsider repealing it during their meeting at the White House on Thursday.

Mr. Trump said he favors keeping the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of patients’ existing conditions, and a provision that allows parents to provide years of additional coverage for children on their insurance policies. […]

On health care, Mr. Trump said a big reason for his shift from his call for an all-out repeal was that Thursday meeting at the White House with the president, who, he said, suggested areas of the Affordable Care Act to preserve. “I told him I will look at his suggestions, and out of respect, I will do that,” Mr. Trump said in his Trump Tower office.

“Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced,” Mr. Trump said.

Those two provisions arent "Obamacare", numbnuts. Also note that some carriers already allowed children to remain on their parents policy, and some allowed preexisting conditions, prior to Obamacare.

Trump's going to continue to confuse you critics all the way through his second term.

(11-11-2016 04:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Trump's going to continue to confuse you critics all the way through his second term.

He might, because I expect him to govern far more center left than most on here think he's going to.

Uh yes they were provisions of Obamacare numbnuts.

(11-11-2016 04:44 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Uh yes they were provisions of Obamacare numbnuts.

They were "provisions" in Obamacare, numbnuts. They WERE NOT OBAMACARE.

Also, note how Trump is being cordial, and is saying he will consider what everyone is saying, even the current empty suit. Thats a stark change from Obama, wh othought he was the smartest guy in the room, and basically sh*t on everyone elses ideas.

Trump is already showing the current president how to be presidential.

But, rest assured, "Obamacare" is dead. "Tomorrow" came, one way or the other.

(11-11-2016 04:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Trump's going to continue to confuse you critics all the way through his second term.

He might, because I expect him to govern far more center left than most on here think he's going to.

Well, while I've not read every single post here, I don't recall a single poster here calling him conservative. I think most of us who support him saw two critical things in him.

1) He's serious about reforming that corrupt inside-the-beltway brotherhood of both parties and finally taking seriously a politician's pledge to do SOMETHING positive for working class Americans.

2) He wasn't Hillary Clinton. Most of us would have voted for Charlie Manson before that witch.

We sort of knew this was going to happen though. He wants it to be more competition based so the middle class isn't carrying such a burden.

(11-11-2016 04:47 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Trump's going to continue to confuse you critics all the way through his second term.

He might, because I expect him to govern far more center left than most on here think he's going to.

Well, while I've not read every single post here, I don't recall a single poster here calling him conservative. I think most of us who support him saw two critical things in him.

1) He's serious about reforming that corrupt inside-the-beltway brotherhood of both parties and finally taking seriously a politician's pledge to do SOMETHING positive for working class Americans.

2) He wasn't Hillary Clinton. Most of us would have voted for Charlie Manson before that witch.

Well as an extreme social liberal I agree with you on the HRC part. I voted for Gary Johnson and have no regrets about it. I hope he is serious about part 1 and we'll see.

(11-11-2016 04:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Trump's going to continue to confuse you critics all the way through his second term.

He might, because I expect him to govern far more center left than most on here think he's going to.

I actually expect him to be pretty close to Bill Clinton. Probably closer than Hillary would have been.

I don't even know what insane point you think you're arguing. I said he's thinking of amending Obamacare, which means retaining some provisions. If Trump wants a few cosmetic changes/fixes and to call it Trumpcare so he gets credit, that won't really bother me.

We'll see if he's just blowing smoke. I suspect he's unlike other leading Republicans whose goal isn't actually covering people with universal health care. Trump said we need universal healthcare when he was thinking in running in 2000, and maybe he never changed his mind.

After being schooled in the polls, you should start to listen to others on here instead of trying to argue why you think you are correct. Or, perhaps you are going to point me to some betting site that says there's an 85% chance Obamacare will be retained.

Donald Trump, the narcissist, lied his ass off to get elected and HRC should be doing 15-20 in a Federal Pen'.

Now that he's in office he's got to walk-back all the he spewed. Wow, I guess we had to go through all that crap for the last 18 months for this great country to elect its next president.

And we wouldn't have it any other way.

(11-11-2016 05:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  After being schooled in the polls, you should start to listen to others on here instead of trying to argue why you think you are correct. Or, perhaps you are going to point me to some betting site that says there's an 85% chance Obamacare will be retained.

(11-11-2016 04:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Trump's going to continue to confuse you critics all the way through his second term.

He might, because I expect him to govern far more center left than most on here think he's going to.

Honestly, I think most of us who voted for Trump have no delusions on how far left he'll go toward the center compared to some of his speeches and statements.

There are some things I don't think he'll move on (TPP, NAFTA, going after lobbyists/corruption, 2nd amendment (Hellar)).

But there are some he'll move more centrist on (Obamacare, Immigration reform)

Quote:I actually expect him to be pretty close to Bill Clinton

My guess is he'll be a little (Not much) more to the right that BC was.

Regardless of the result of the election, you're still an idiot.

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and here you go with the insults...

Guys ... come on ... what good does "numbnuts" and other insults do????


As far as Trump goes, I'm still in "wait and see" mode. But, I have a small sliver of hope that he may actually end up in the center. Like, the whole "racist, misogynist, xenophobic" thing was just a lie to get elected.



Now to the thread: I already have a thread on this about what we should replace ACA with.


Here is a great link, talking exactly about the dilemma that the OP brings up: http://www.startribune.com/repeal-of-oba...400768651/

(11-11-2016 05:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Guys ... come on ... what good does "numbnuts" and other insults do????


As far as Trump goes, I'm still in "wait and see" mode. But, I have a small sliver of hope that he may actually end up in the center. Like, the whole "racist, misogynist, xenophobic" thing was just a lie to get elected.

This from the poster that called the rest of us "Dumbs***s" and "Stupid"?

ANd now you're claiming to be you're in a "wait and see" mode bIson?

In Blackjack, they call it "insurance' bet when the dealer is showing an ace.. and it's the stupidest bet you can take in any casino setting.

(11-11-2016 05:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Guys ... come on ... what good does "numbnuts" and other insults do????
As far as Trump goes, I'm still in "wait and see" mode. But, I have a small sliver of hope that he may actually end up in the center. Like, the whole "racist, misogynist, xenophobic" thing was just a lie to get elected.
Now to the thread: I already have a thread on this about what we should replace ACA with.
Here is a great link, talking exactly about the dilemma that the OP brings up: http://www.startribune.com/repeal-of-oba...400768651/

Donald Trump is a pragmatic businessman that knows how to count, end of story. If the base of the Republican Party is portrayed a certain way by the national media, he will not alienate them by responding to the media's oversimplification of that segment of the population.

The guy will do and say anything to make a buck; or in this case, get elected. Again, this is what you now have to do to get elected President in this country. Thanks but no thanks. I'll leave that ugly game to those who deserve it.