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Ahh, the never-ending orgasm. Dawgxas owes you a humjob, Nanodawg.
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(11-11-2016 11:35 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  The bottom of the conference drags down the top so much. In football and basketball the bottom teams are some of the worst in FBS and Div. 1.

FAU - Not even trying to put a decent team out there for football (2-7) or basketball (8-25) last year

UTSA - had a better year at football than I thought (5-4) yet one of the worst basketball teams in the country (5-27)

Rice - Just terrible, football (1-8) basketball (12-20).

C-USA had more basketball teams with 20+ losses (5) than with 20+ wins (4).

Sunbelt is the only conference in football that had more teams with 4 wins or less than C-USA (8 to 7).

Please bottom of the league, stop being so bad and ruining it for the teams that are trying to improve in the sports that matter.

What are you going to say when we beat you, again?
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Oftentimes it is not what a school spends its money on (or whether it spends the money at all). It is often what they do with that money. Look at us (FAU). We made a huge investment in our football program, built a new state of the art stadium, have had several top (at a conference level) recruiting classes. The investment has been there, the will has been there. The results haven't been.

Yes, sure we are in the post-season in baseball year after year, but we had done this before C-USA, before SB. We ALWAYS sucked at basketball. And football is the never-ending managerial malpractice.
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(11-11-2016 11:35 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  The bottom of the conference drags down the top so much. In football and basketball the bottom teams are some of the worst in FBS and Div. 1.

FAU - Not even trying to put a decent team out there for football (2-7) or basketball (8-25) last year

UTSA - had a better year at football than I thought (5-4) yet one of the worst basketball teams in the country (5-27)

Rice - Just terrible, football (1-8) basketball (12-20).

C-USA had more basketball teams with 20+ losses (5) than with 20+ wins (4).

Sunbelt is the only conference in football that had more teams with 4 wins or less than C-USA (8 to 7).

Please bottom of the league, stop being so bad and ruining it for the teams that are trying to improve in the sports that matter.

Every athletic department in C-USA faces challenges of some sort, including ODU. Calling out other programs just makes you look bad.

Rice is a great academic university. They have long history at the highest level of college football, and have been to a couple of bowls in recent years. Get off their back.

UTSA has a great city that supports them, and they are currently winning at football with a new coach. Plus they have hired a new basketball coach. Give them a chance.

I don't know what FAU is doing, but you could certainly be more supportive of your fellow divisional program.

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(11-11-2016 06:31 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Ahh, the never-ending orgasm. Dawgxas owes you a humjob, Nanodawg.

lol
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(11-11-2016 06:31 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Ahh, the never-ending orgasm. Dawgxas owes you a humjob, Nanodawg.

So AMonarch....you're still having dreams about orgasms and Dawgxas, huh? 07-coffee3
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(11-11-2016 12:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 12:06 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  didnt ODU basketball win only 5 games a few years back? 07-coffee3

We also dont play in a high school gym, and are building an $8.4 million dollar practice facility.

This is a fair point that you bring up especially with UTSA. I hate that our basketball program plays in the Convo. It was ok for the Southland, but for CUSA its not an acceptable arena. IMO

However, what others need to understand is that UTSA, did not expect to be in a conference like CUSA this fast. Timing worked out perfect for them to do it, but money and facilities need to catch up. And in time they will. UTSA invested in the football program first, and are tyring to upgrade secondary programs like soccer, baseball and softball (are next). So they are making the commitment, however it is going to take time.

Long term the future of UTSA basketball and football are very promising if they can build the facilities. And with all the money being put into the NW side of San Antonio it is going to be there.

But sorry the rest of your argument is just garbage. Rice football has been solid for years, yes this year they have taken a step back. And lets not think that ODU is that great either. How about you step up and win a title in something before you start acting like you are a class above everyone.
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(11-14-2016 05:26 PM)Greenroom Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 12:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 12:06 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  didnt ODU basketball win only 5 games a few years back? 07-coffee3

We also dont play in a high school gym, and are building an $8.4 million dollar practice facility.

This is a fair point that you bring up especially with UTSA. I hate that our basketball program plays in the Convo. It was ok for the Southland, but for CUSA its not an acceptable arena. IMO

However, what others need to understand is that UTSA, did not expect to be in a conference like CUSA this fast. Timing worked out perfect for them to do it, but money and facilities need to catch up. And in time they will. UTSA invested in the football program first, and are tyring to upgrade secondary programs like soccer, baseball and softball (are next). So they are making the commitment, however it is going to take time.

Long term the future of UTSA basketball and football are very promising if they can build the facilities. And with all the money being put into the NW side of San Antonio it is going to be there.

But sorry the rest of your argument is just garbage. Rice football has been solid for years, yes this year they have taken a step back. And lets not think that ODU is that great either. How about you step up and win a title in something before you start acting like you are a class above everyone.

If I'm not mistaken, ODU football is only a year younger than UTSA football and neither have even made a bowl game yet, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Here's the thing. C-USA used to have Houston, Memphis, UCF, etc. C-USA fell from where they used to be because when the American stole half the conference and replacements were needed, C-USA chose a few established teams (La Tech, WKU, MTSU, UNT), but also chose markets with new teams (Charlotte, San Antonio, Norfolk, Miami, Boca Raton). They took a huge risk by taking teams with no history in exchange for lucrative markets in the hope that the teams would eventually, as the kids say, git gud.

Old Dominion seems to have gotten it together. Charlotte is at least playing like an FBS team now. Both UTSA and UNT have improved from last year.

Will the risk they took pay off? Who knows? I would rather they had chosen more established teams that were at least decent, but what's done is done. If C-USA is bad it's primarily the new teams (yes USM took a step back this year and Marshall tanked, but speaking in general here). Teams that will need time to build a program. I've heard Frank Wilson is a great recruiter with ties to HS coaches in TX, so there's that.

Point is, C-USA made a long term investment and if it's going to work, it's going to be a few years. Based on the improvements that we've seen from UNT, UTSA, ODU, and Charlotte this year, imagine if they continue to improve and the established teams that are disappointing this season (Rice, Marshall, UTEP, USM) get back to winning? Could be a much stronger conference moving forward.

Give it time.
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What top?

(11-11-2016 11:35 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  The bottom of the conference drags down the top so much. In football and basketball the bottom teams are some of the worst in FBS and Div. 1.

FAU - Not even trying to put a decent team out there for football (2-7) or basketball (8-25) last year

UTSA - had a better year at football than I thought (5-4) yet one of the worst basketball teams in the country (5-27)

Rice - Just terrible, football (1-8) basketball (12-20).

C-USA had more basketball teams with 20+ losses (5) than with 20+ wins (4).

Sunbelt is the only conference in football that had more teams with 4 wins or less than C-USA (8 to 7).

Please bottom of the league, stop being so bad and ruining it for the teams that are trying to improve in the sports that matter.
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(11-11-2016 01:03 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  I don't think anyone in this league should be throwing stones. We all have big hills to climb on several fronts. The best thing we can do is win our OOC games in every sport and get more teams ranked in various sports. jmo.

To that extent, CUSA Commissioner should pressure all schools to stop scheduling payday football games against the top half of P5 conferences. If teams can't survive financially in CUSA without these games maybe they should leave. I cringe anytime I see Alabama, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, LSU, etc. on any CUSA team's schedule. Until teams in CUSA have back to back winning seasons they should probably avoid any P5 games.
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(11-14-2016 06:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 01:03 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  I don't think anyone in this league should be throwing stones. We all have big hills to climb on several fronts. The best thing we can do is win our OOC games in every sport and get more teams ranked in various sports. jmo.

To that extent, CUSA Commissioner should pressure all schools to stop scheduling payday football games against the top half of P5 conferences. If teams can't survive financially in CUSA without these games maybe they should leave. I cringe anytime I see Alabama, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, LSU, etc. on any CUSA team's schedule. Until teams in CUSA have back to back winning seasons they should probably avoid any P5 games.

Which is why La Tech changed from playing 5 Auburn and 4 OU to next year's slate of Miss State and South Carolina. Still get paid, but a better chance to win (esp with #FailState in Ruston!)
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Sun Belt has its first Top 25 ranking.
MAC is hosting ESPN College Gameday this weekend.

CUSA doesn't have a clearly defined, reproducible tiebreaker procedure outlined so we are still wondering which 3 loss team may host the game.
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(11-14-2016 06:06 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  
(11-14-2016 05:26 PM)Greenroom Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 12:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 12:06 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  didnt ODU basketball win only 5 games a few years back? 07-coffee3

We also dont play in a high school gym, and are building an $8.4 million dollar practice facility.

This is a fair point that you bring up especially with UTSA. I hate that our basketball program plays in the Convo. It was ok for the Southland, but for CUSA its not an acceptable arena. IMO

However, what others need to understand is that UTSA, did not expect to be in a conference like CUSA this fast. Timing worked out perfect for them to do it, but money and facilities need to catch up. And in time they will. UTSA invested in the football program first, and are tyring to upgrade secondary programs like soccer, baseball and softball (are next). So they are making the commitment, however it is going to take time.

Long term the future of UTSA basketball and football are very promising if they can build the facilities. And with all the money being put into the NW side of San Antonio it is going to be there.

But sorry the rest of your argument is just garbage. Rice football has been solid for years, yes this year they have taken a step back. And lets not think that ODU is that great either. How about you step up and win a title in something before you start acting like you are a class above everyone.

If I'm not mistaken, ODU football is only a year younger than UTSA football and neither have even made a bowl game yet, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Here's the thing. C-USA used to have Houston, Memphis, UCF, etc. C-USA fell from where they used to be because when the American stole half the conference and replacements were needed, C-USA chose a few established teams (La Tech, WKU, MTSU, UNT), but also chose markets with new teams (Charlotte, San Antonio, Norfolk, Miami, Boca Raton). They took a huge risk by taking teams with no history in exchange for lucrative markets in the hope that the teams would eventually, as the kids say, git gud.

Old Dominion seems to have gotten it together. Charlotte is at least playing like an FBS team now. Both UTSA and UNT have improved from last year.

Will the risk they took pay off? Who knows? I would rather they had chosen more established teams that were at least decent, but what's done is done. If C-USA is bad it's primarily the new teams (yes USM took a step back this year and Marshall tanked, but speaking in general here). Teams that will need time to build a program. I've heard Frank Wilson is a great recruiter with ties to HS coaches in TX, so there's that.

Point is, C-USA made a long term investment and if it's going to work, it's going to be a few years. Based on the improvements that we've seen from UNT, UTSA, ODU, and Charlotte this year, imagine if they continue to improve and the established teams that are disappointing this season (Rice, Marshall, UTEP, USM) get back to winning? Could be a much stronger conference moving forward.

Give it time.

The point is that ODU is in the same shoes as everyone else. So why put a list pointing out conference mates that are equal to what ODU has done so far. So instead of bagging on Rice, UTSA ... look at how your school can make it better. Instead of making a list and pointing figures.
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(11-14-2016 08:02 PM)Greenroom Wrote:  The point is that ODU is in the same shoes as everyone else. So why put a list pointing out conference mates that are equal to what ODU has done so far. So instead of bagging on Rice, UTSA ... look at how your school can make it better. Instead of making a list and pointing figures.

I think that most ODU posters would likely agree with you. It is a stupid, unnecessarily provocative, thread.
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(11-14-2016 06:51 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  Sun Belt has its first Top 25 ranking.
MAC is hosting ESPN College Gameday this weekend.

CUSA doesn't have a clearly defined, reproducible tiebreaker procedure outlined so we are still wondering which 3 loss team may host the game.

Huh? Are you talking about the championship game? Because that's pretty clearly defined. If Tech and WKU have the same conference record, Tech hosts because Tech beat WKU. If it's Tech and ODU with the same record, they go by ranking. If neither is actually ranked, they go by computer ranking, which is how Marshall hosted Tech two years ago.

Or am I dumb and you're talking about something else?
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(11-11-2016 04:32 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Not all odu fans feel this way. Just putting that out there

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(11-14-2016 11:32 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 04:32 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Not all odu fans feel this way. Just putting that out there

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(11-11-2016 11:35 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  The bottom of the conference drags down the top so much. In football and basketball the bottom teams are some of the worst in FBS and Div. 1.

FAU - Not even trying to put a decent team out there for football (2-7) or basketball (8-25) last year

UTSA - had a better year at football than I thought (5-4) yet one of the worst basketball teams in the country (5-27)

Rice - Just terrible, football (1-8) basketball (12-20).

C-USA had more basketball teams with 20+ losses (5) than with 20+ wins (4).

Sunbelt is the only conference in football that had more teams with 4 wins or less than C-USA (8 to 7).

Please bottom of the league, stop being so bad and ruining it for the teams that are trying to improve in the sports that matter.

I talked like that to my daddy once.

My daddy whooped my ass good.

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[quote='cmett003' pid='13774204' dateline='1478882156']
The bottom of the conference drags down the top so much. In football and basketball the bottom teams are some of the worst in FBS and Div. 1.

FAU - Not even trying to put a decent team out there for football (2-7) or basketball (8-25) last year

UTSA - had a better year at football than I thought (5-4) yet one of the worst basketball teams in the country (5-27)

Rice - Just terrible, football (1-8) basketball (12-20).

C-USA had more basketball teams with 20+ losses (5) than with 20+ wins (4).

Sunbelt is the only conference in football that had more teams with 4 wins or less than C-USA (8 to 7).

Please bottom of the league, stop being so bad and ruining it for the teams that are trying to improve in the sports that matter
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The fact that people on here are defending the bottom feeders is part of the problem. Everyone is ok with sucking, 03-banghead. Im sure all of you want some sort of participation trophy as well. ODU may not have won anything yet in C-USA (except soccer 2 years ago), but we definatly contribute to the league in all sports. My orginal post gave credit to UTSA for their football team doing better than I thought. But your BBall team is ranked 328th right now, 328thhhhhhh. 328 out of 351, that is pathetic. I mean WTF, how are you that bad. It just baffles me. I hope the ratings are wrong because you played 2 decents teams, relatively close. Also Southern Miss, you had to go to 2OT to get by Tougaloo??????? A team ranked 823rd???????

All you weenies out there go a head and try to defend this garbage and ill laugh in your face!
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