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Emmert is quoted as saying: “I was reading today where someone who played basketball at LSU was very unhappy with the one-and-done rule,” said Emmert to The Advocate, speaking Wednesday at LSU’s inaugural Sports Communication Summit at the Manship School of Mass Communication. “That’s not our rule. That’s the NBA’s rule. But (he says) it’s another stupid NCAA rule.”

My take is that the problem isn't with the requirement to wait a year after graduating high school before being draft eligible, it's that the NBA starts counting tenure towards free agency (and out of rookie salaries) based on time in the league, not age. If players could reach free agency just as quickly by staying in school as going to the NBA, a lot more players would stay in school. True superstars would still make the jump, but a lot of marginal players who could use the time in college would stay.

My permanent position on this is that the NCAA should reinstitute freshman ineligibility as long as the NBA has this one year delay. There's no reason for the NCAA to provide a single semester landing place for non students to prep for the NBA.

(11-07-2016 03:30 PM)orangefan Wrote:  http://thecomeback.com/ncaa/mark-emmert-...ility.html

Emmert is quoted as saying: “I was reading today where someone who played basketball at LSU was very unhappy with the one-and-done rule,” said Emmert to The Advocate, speaking Wednesday at LSU’s inaugural Sports Communication Summit at the Manship School of Mass Communication. “That’s not our rule. That’s the NBA’s rule. But (he says) it’s another stupid NCAA rule.”

My take is that the problem isn't with the requirement to wait a year after graduating high school before being draft eligible, it's that the NBA starts counting tenure towards free agency (and out of rookie salaries) based on time in the league, not age. If players could reach free agency just as quickly by staying in school as going to the NBA, a lot more players would stay in school. True superstars would still make the jump, but a lot of marginal players who could use the time in college would stay.

if a Senior in College could become a free agent after one year in the league, no team would draft them.

(11-07-2016 03:35 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  There's no reason for the NCAA to provide a single semester landing place for non students to prep for the NBA.

Oh, absolutely. You have schools looking at their graduation rates and it's a legitimate thing to get those numbers higher, and within four years back into shape. College basketball kills those metrics, especially at the factory programs that churn kids like a machine.

And, imo, if schools can be so nonchalant about "well, you can't graduate all of them," funding should shrivel or become more challenging to get. This isn't what schools are to be for. Give the scholarship to people who want to go to school and complete it, not to jocks who need a few years to weigh their pro options.

(11-07-2016 03:35 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  My permanent position on this is that the NCAA should reinstitute freshman ineligibility as long as the NBA has this one year delay. There's no reason for the NCAA to provide a single semester landing place for non students to prep for the NBA.

That's a simple, elegant solution to this problem, which is not of the NCAA's making.

A year in the D-League would prepare players who have no interest in the brief education they would get in college just as well, and those players wouldn't make any more money than they would get for room, board and stipend at a major D-I school.

What the NBA wouldn't get are players who come into the league already as marketable stars. They've been enjoying this benefit at the schools' expense from the beginning. Let them do their own promotion.

So is it fair to say that the group most responsible for the way it is now, is the NBA Players?

(11-07-2016 03:35 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  My permanent position on this is that the NCAA should reinstitute freshman ineligibility as long as the NBA has this one year delay. There's no reason for the NCAA to provide a single semester landing place for non students to prep for the NBA.

I'm with you, but unless they did it for all sports there would be a lawsuit and even if they won in court I don't know if the NCAA would survive the PR hit. The same people decrying the NCAA for "slave labor" would be decrying the NCAA for not giving these charlatans their fair shot.

(11-07-2016 04:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:35 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  My permanent position on this is that the NCAA should reinstitute freshman ineligibility as long as the NBA has this one year delay. There's no reason for the NCAA to provide a single semester landing place for non students to prep for the NBA.

I'm with you, but unless they did it for all sports there would be a lawsuit and even if they won in court I don't know if the NCAA would survive the PR hit. The same people decrying the NCAA for "slave labor" would be decrying the NCAA for not giving these charlatans their fair shot.

I had the lawsuit concern as well. But I would hope that the NCAA could make a successful case that men's basketball is unique with respect to pro leagues in that both football and baseball require a three year stay in school before being eligible to enter the pro draft. If there weren't a D-League already in place as an alternative to college, this would be a tougher case to win, IMO. And just maybe this action by the NCAA might be leverage to get the NBA to compromise or cave.

Unless you're a fan of the top 5-10 schools, this is irrelevant. The extremely small universe of 19 year olds that can get to the NBA don't go to our schools. The other 350+ D1 programs would like freshmen to be eligible.

(11-07-2016 04:40 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  So is it fair to say that the group most responsible for the way it is now, is the NBA Players?

No. The NBAPA is against the age limit.

(11-07-2016 03:35 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  My permanent position on this is that the NCAA should reinstitute freshman ineligibility as long as the NBA has this one year delay. There's no reason for the NCAA to provide a single semester landing place for non students to prep for the NBA.

This should have always been the rule.

The NCAA should adopt the baseball rule for all sports. It basically states that if you accept a college scholarship you are there for 3 years or 21 years of age before leaving to go pro. If player wants to go pro out of high school they can try and make it. If the NFL, NBA, MLB wants an age limit let them have one. Players can play in a minor league, overseas, or a developmental league if they don't want to go college. This NCAA rule would help stabilize all the sports and end the 1 and done just because a professional league has age requirement to be eligible for their sport.

GCS,

Right ... the players want kids to be able to come in directly from high school without having to wait a year.

The owners want kids to go to college, and to use the NCAA DI like a minor league (as football does).


So the compromise was a 1-year wait. But they won't let them go to 2-years or longer.

(11-07-2016 11:08 PM)Aztec Since 88 Wrote:  The NCAA should adopt the baseball rule for all sports. It basically states that if you accept a college scholarship you are there for 3 years or 21 years of age before leaving to go pro. If player wants to go pro out of high school they can try and make it. If the NFL, NBA, MLB wants an age limit let them have one. Players can play in a minor league, overseas, or a developmental league if they don't want to go college. This NCAA rule would help stabilize all the sports and end the 1 and done just because a professional league has age requirement to be eligible for their sport.

Yep, baseball has the correct rule on this. If you are good enough to play pro right out of high school go right ahead. If not then you have to actually go to college. Baseball also allows you to get drafted first and find out if the money is there to be worth it to go pro or not. A guy can have a number in mind it would take for him to go and if he gets it great and if not he goes to college. That allows everyone involved to make an informed decision. There are plenty of talented kids who just aren't cut out for college, and they shouldn't be forced to go.

(11-07-2016 11:08 PM)Aztec Since 88 Wrote:  The NCAA should adopt the baseball rule for all sports. It basically states that if you accept a college scholarship you are there for 3 years or 21 years of age before leaving to go pro. If player wants to go pro out of high school they can try and make it. If the NFL, NBA, MLB wants an age limit let them have one. Players can play in a minor league, overseas, or a developmental league if they don't want to go college. This NCAA rule would help stabilize all the sports and end the 1 and done just because a professional league has age requirement to be eligible for their sport.

+1

Very well stated.

Now that the NBA has a fully functional and established D-League, there is no harm in drafting an 18-year old and stashing him there for a season or two until he develops. Using colleges as a way to develop professional athletes only hurts both sides in the long run.

There have been way too many amateur athletes that had absolutely no business being in college. I applaud Brandon Jennings and Emmanuel Mudiay, for not just going against the norm and avoiding going one-and-done in college, but also for choosing to play oversees, get paid and get experience, and then come back ready to contribute in the NBA.

One-and-dones in college basketball have both a positive and negative effect on the product. However, if the goal of the NCAA is really to ensure the purity of college athletics and the student-athlete (both of which have been said on record, however right/wrong that comment is), then it would truly be beneficial for them to work with the NBA and change the age rules again. Doing so would benefit the NBA, NBA D-League, NCAA and these young kids would want to play professionally.

(11-08-2016 08:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 11:08 PM)Aztec Since 88 Wrote:  The NCAA should adopt the baseball rule for all sports. It basically states that if you accept a college scholarship you are there for 3 years or 21 years of age before leaving to go pro. If player wants to go pro out of high school they can try and make it. If the NFL, NBA, MLB wants an age limit let them have one. Players can play in a minor league, overseas, or a developmental league if they don't want to go college. This NCAA rule would help stabilize all the sports and end the 1 and done just because a professional league has age requirement to be eligible for their sport.

Yep, baseball has the correct rule on this. If you are good enough to play pro right out of high school go right ahead. If not then you have to actually go to college. Baseball also allows you to get drafted first and find out if the money is there to be worth it to go pro or not. A guy can have a number in mind it would take for him to go and if he gets it great and if not he goes to college. That allows everyone involved to make an informed decision. There are plenty of talented kids who just aren't cut out for college, and they shouldn't be forced to go.

The key point here is that the NCAA has no say in when a student may enter a professional draft. That is strictly the prerogative of the professional league, as long as they comply with applicable federal labor laws.

The only reason any leagues may legally prevent a student from entering its draft or trying out for a team straight out of high school is if they and their players' union have collectively bargained an age or experience limit. That means both the current pro players and the team owners must approve a change to the status quo.

And an earlier post was on target, when it said most NCAA schools want freshmen to be eligible. The chances that the NCAA would unilaterally keep basketball players who are ineligible for the NBA off the court are very slim.

Agreed on the baseball rule - makes the most sense