I'm not really saying much anyone hasn't heard or doesn't know.

That said, just stop this nonsense. Give every team in FBS legit access to the national title and in turn stop forcing bowl committees to take teams they don't want.

If I wanted to organize an event and I paid certain parties to take part, I would want to bring in who I want, not who people pressured me to go in and invite. If I'm having a party and I bring in paid entertainers, I want to bring in the entertainers that I want, not who I was forced to bring in. If I'm trying to have an event that people will attend and spend money, then I want to maximize my bottom line. These bowls are like chamber of commerce events and only within the last few decades did they mean anything when it came to college football's postseason importance.

On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

So, again not much that you didn't already know. But I guess I'm highlighting how the current system is unfair to the bowl committees as well, not just the lower level conferences.

2 things for the access bowls
1- if they don't take it, some other bowl would, and they would be forced much further down the food chain. Look at how not being part of the BCS almost killed the Cotton Bowl.
2- sure they have G5 team 1 year of 3. But another year is a pretty good matchup, and 3rd year obviously is the SF. Take Fiesta. They had Arizona/Boise St 1 year, and then last year had Notre Dame Ohio St. Now this year is semifinal matchup. Who wouldn't take that 3 year stretch?

If the teams sell tickets, buy hotel rooms & air travel, and the game gets TV ratings ... well there you go.

That's why bowl games were created.

(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

No access?

How do you come to this conclusion? There are no autobids for anyone therefore nobody is guranteed access nor denied it.

Do you disagree that if UH had run the table they'd be left out? I don't.

The current system rewards good teams who play and win against tough schedules and win their conference

How is that unfair especially given how disparate the level of talent and commitment is in CFB compared to pretty much every other sport?

(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm not really saying much anyone hasn't heard or doesn't know.

That said, just stop this nonsense. Give every team in FBS legit access to the national title and in turn stop forcing bowl committees to take teams they don't want.

If I wanted to organize an event and I paid certain parties to take part, I would want to bring in who I want, not who people pressured me to go in and invite. If I'm having a party and I bring in paid entertainers, I want to bring in the entertainers that I want, not who I was forced to bring in. If I'm trying to have an event that people will attend and spend money, then I want to maximize my bottom line. These bowls are like chamber of commerce events and only within the last few decades did they mean anything when it came to college football's postseason importance.

On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

So, again not much that you didn't already know. But I guess I'm highlighting how the current system is unfair to the bowl committees as well, not just the lower level conferences.

JMO, but the current system could easily expand to an 8 team playoff...

TOP 4 CONFERENCE CHAMPS
TOP AT-LARGE
*REQUIREMENT OF 2 G5 CONFERENCE CHAMPS

Seed the playoffs as:
1. Alabama (SEC Champ)
2. Clemson (ACC Champ)
3. Michigan (B1G Champ)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champ)
5. Louisville
6. Ohio State
7. Western Michigan (MAC Champ)*
8. Navy (American Conference Champ)*

Week after the Conference Championships (DEC 10):
Navy @ Alabama
Western Michigan @ Clemson
Ohio State @ Michigan
Louisville @ Washington

...and the winners play each other in the current set up.

It would be even more $$$ for the College Football Playoff, and you'd make the G5-P5 David-Goliath match-ups essential viewing

5 Power 5 champs
1 G5 champ
2 wild cards

(11-07-2016 03:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If the teams sell tickets, buy hotel rooms & air travel, and the game gets TV ratings ... well there you go.

That's why bowl games were created.

The question is will they? Boise is good for the Fiesta but otherwise, the lower level schools have to prove it. And again, in a case like the Rose Bowl, they want a Pac-12 and B1G team every year, even if a Notre Dame, Texas and Alabama could be good reps for all you mentioned. That's what they want.

Hey, I don't want you to hire that guy you have your heart deadset on, hire me instead and if you don't, I'll whine and complain, protest and find a way to get hired. You see how that sounds?

(11-07-2016 03:33 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

No access?

How do you come to this conclusion? There are no autobids for anyone therefore nobody is guranteed access nor denied it.

Do you disagree that if UH had run the table they'd be left out? I don't.

The current system rewards good teams who play and win against tough schedules and win their conference

How is that unfair especially given how disparate the level of talent and commitment is in CFB compared to pretty much every other sport?

I didn't say no access, I said basically no access. Fine, I'll alter it to limited access, sound better? They have no feeling going into the year that they control their own destiny if they win out. That's technically true for everyone but especially the other half of FBS.

The Rose Bowl wants to be relevant. They jumped at the opportunity to have a semifinal every 3 years rather than just a Big Ten/Pac 12 matchup. And even they made it where if Big 10/Pac 12 are in that they aren't guaranteed them- it's seeded.

(11-07-2016 03:40 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  5 Power 5 champs
1 G5 champ
2 wild cards

that would be...

Seed the playoffs as:
1. Alabama (SEC Champ)
2. Clemson (ACC Champ)
3. Michigan (B1G Champ)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champ)
5. West Virginia (Big XII Champ)
6. Western Michigan (MAC Champ)
7. Louisville
8. Ohio State

DEC 10:
Ohio State @ Alabama
Louisville @ Clemson
Western Michigan @ Michigan
West Virginia @ Washington

This looks awesome too!! How bout that game in Ann Arbor! Great games all around

(11-07-2016 03:33 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

No access?

How do you come to this conclusion? There are no autobids for anyone therefore nobody is guranteed access nor denied it.

Do you disagree that if UH had run the table they'd be left out? I don't.

The current system rewards good teams who play and win against tough schedules and win their conference

How is that unfair especially given how disparate the level of talent and commitment is in CFB compared to pretty much every other sport?

It's a negative feedback loop. With no access to a national championship, good players don't want to go to those schools and nobody wants to watch those games because they don't matter. That's why there is such a gap in the talent level.

(11-07-2016 03:37 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm not really saying much anyone hasn't heard or doesn't know.

That said, just stop this nonsense. Give every team in FBS legit access to the national title and in turn stop forcing bowl committees to take teams they don't want.

If I wanted to organize an event and I paid certain parties to take part, I would want to bring in who I want, not who people pressured me to go in and invite. If I'm having a party and I bring in paid entertainers, I want to bring in the entertainers that I want, not who I was forced to bring in. If I'm trying to have an event that people will attend and spend money, then I want to maximize my bottom line. These bowls are like chamber of commerce events and only within the last few decades did they mean anything when it came to college football's postseason importance.

On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

So, again not much that you didn't already know. But I guess I'm highlighting how the current system is unfair to the bowl committees as well, not just the lower level conferences.

JMO, but the current system could easily expand to an 8 team playoff...

TOP 4 CONFERENCE CHAMPS
TOP AT-LARGE
*REQUIREMENT OF 2 G5 CONFERENCE CHAMPS

Seed the playoffs as:
1. Alabama (SEC Champ)
2. Clemson (ACC Champ)
3. Michigan (B1G Champ)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champ)
5. Louisville
6. Ohio State
7. Western Michigan (MAC Champ)*
8. Navy (American Conference Champ)*

Week after the Conference Championships (DEC 10):
Navy @ Alabama
Western Michigan @ Clemson
Ohio State @ Michigan
Louisville @ Washington

...and the winners play each other in the current set up.

It would be even more $$$ for the College Football Playoff, and you'd make the G5-P5 David-Goliath match-ups essential viewing

2 G5's would be amazing! It would essentially be 10 schools fighting for 2 spots.

(11-07-2016 03:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The Rose Bowl wants to be relevant. They jumped at the opportunity to have a semifinal every 3 years rather than just a Big Ten/Pac 12 matchup. And even they made it where if Big 10/Pac 12 are in that they aren't guaranteed them- it's seeded.

Partially true but it's one of those things in life that you begrudgingly do when you really want to do something else and leave things as you always have done them.

They would lose the best B1G and Pac school to the playoffs, so one way or another they basically had no choice in the matter. Doesn't mean they don't want their tradition no matter what.

I don't think it's all that complex. It's just breaking the mold. It will happen in time. Heck, it was hard just getting what exists today -- a "play off", not a true Playoff, where all it is, is the Top 2 BCS Bowl winners just play an extra Bowl for the Title.

The Most Likely Option, IMO is a 12-team Playoff. Right now, we have 12 teams in NY6 bowls. You just give the Top 4 a bye -- and the other 8 duke it out, then the 4 winners play the Top 4. Easy Peasy.

It "sucks" because it only allows 1 G5. What if Boise & WMU ended up both undefeated? Doesn't solve that problem. But it still opens it up for any G5 to potentially make it.

However, you could change the 12-team NY6 bowl-playoff to:
- All (5) P5 Conference Winners Auto-Invite
- Top (2) G5 Conference Winners POSSIBLY QUALIFYING hitting any of the criteria (ordered by rank if qualifying):
- Being in Top 20
- If Not: Having Defeated ANY P5 Conference OR Divisional Winner
- If Not: Having Defeated ANY At-Large, sans the 12th At-Large Pick (Said G5 would be the 13th pick if Not in Top 20)
- At-Larges by order of Rank by default; Divisional Winner has 2-ranking-slot Advantage over any non-Divisional Winner; No More than 3 in the same conference

EXAMPLE OF HELPING G5s NOT IN TOP 20:
With the CFP not being a fan of G5s, say WMU had 1L to a slightly better Northwestern team (who didn't lose their next game against an FCS)... and WMU runs the table and wins the MAC, but ends up @ #22. Meanwhile, say Washington State loses to a non-divisional opponent this year BUT beats Washington, winning the tie-breaker. They go on to get stomped in the P12 Conference Championship, going 9-4 and ranked @ #25. WMU would get in.

(11-07-2016 03:50 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:40 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  5 Power 5 champs
1 G5 champ
2 wild cards

that would be...

Seed the playoffs as:
1. Alabama (SEC Champ)
2. Clemson (ACC Champ)
3. Michigan (B1G Champ)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champ)
5. West Virginia (Big XII Champ)
6. Western Michigan (MAC Champ)
7. Louisville
8. Ohio State

DEC 10:
Ohio State @ Alabama
Louisville @ Clemson
Western Michigan @ Michigan
West Virginia @ Washington

This looks awesome too!! How bout that game in Ann Arbor! Great games all around

Man that looks perfect to me.

First round at home fields, then keep the current setup after that. We would only lose two bowls by doing this.

MAC Champion isn't going to be seeded ahead of the at large teams. Sorry but you are an absolute fool if you think they would get anything outside of the #1 team every year.

(11-07-2016 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I don't think it's all that complex. It's just breaking the mold. It will happen in time. Heck, it was hard just getting what exists today -- a "play off", not a true Playoff, where all it is, is the Top 2 BCS Bowl winners just play an extra Bowl for the Title.

The Most Likely Option, IMO is a 12-team Playoff. Right now, we have 12 teams in NY6 bowls. You just give the Top 4 a bye -- and the other 8 duke it out, then the 4 winners play the Top 4. Easy Peasy.

It "sucks" because it only allows 1 G5. What if Boise & WMU ended up both undefeated? Doesn't solve that problem. But it still opens it up for any G5 to potentially make it.

However, you could change the 12-team NY6 bowl-playoff to:
- All (5) P5 Conference Winners Auto-Invite
- Top (2) G5 Conference Winners in Top 20 *OR* Ranked Above ANY P5 Divisional Winner, Auto-Invite (0-2; usually at least 1)
- At-Larges by order of Rank by default; Divisional Winner has 2-ranking-slot Advantage over any non-Divisional Winner; No More than 3 in the same conference

Might as well have all 10 conference Champs if you go to 12. Play the first round at the higher seed. There is really only about 5 teams with a legit shot at winning the whole thing anyway, so might as well put on the appearance that every team has a chance. Whether the 12th team is the third place team from the SEC or the Sun Belt champ doesn't really matter, they aren't winning the thing anyway.

(11-07-2016 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I don't think it's all that complex. It's just breaking the mold. It will happen in time. Heck, it was hard just getting what exists today -- a "play off", not a true Playoff, where all it is, is the Top 2 BCS Bowl winners just play an extra Bowl for the Title.

The Most Likely Option, IMO is a 12-team Playoff. Right now, we have 12 teams in NY6 bowls. You just give the Top 4 a bye -- and the other 8 duke it out, then the 4 winners play the Top 4. Easy Peasy.

It "sucks" because it only allows 1 G5. What if Boise & WMU ended up both undefeated? Doesn't solve that problem. But it still opens it up for any G5 to potentially make it.

However, you could change the 12-team NY6 bowl-playoff to:
- All (5) P5 Conference Winners Auto-Invite
- Top (2) G5 Conference Winners in Top 20 *OR* Ranked Above ANY P5 Divisional Winner, Auto-Invite (0-2; usually at least 1)
- At-Larges by order of Rank by default; Divisional Winner has 2-ranking-slot Advantage over any non-Divisional Winner; No More than 3 in the same conference

why no more than 3 in the same conference. Sorry but if a conference has 4 top 10 teams, they deserve to have 4 teams in a 12 team playoff.

Just give it to the SEC champion and let everybody play for 2nd place

stever #8,

If the decision was:

- Big Ten #2 vs PAC #2, 2 out of 3 years most of the time, and CFP semi-final the other year
VS
- BIg Ten #3/#4 vs PAC #3/4, every year

it's a no-brainer.



But if it could've voted to make the post-season a +1 or a +3 after playing the Bowls traditionally, it would have voted for that! If only ...

(11-07-2016 04:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  why no more than 3 in the same conference. Sorry but if a conference has 4 top 10 teams, they deserve to have 4 teams in a 12 team playoff.

That would destroy college football's regular season. This is why the CFP is only at 4 teams.