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Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
As the CFP committee appears to emphasize strength of schedule, would it be wise to switch permanent cross over games from BC-VT and UL-UVA to UL-VT and BC-UVA? This switch would seem likely to improve the SOS of both VT and UL in most seasons. UL-UVA is a forced rivalry that simply substitutes UL for UMD, with no particular history. BC-VT played together in the Big East, but there was no significant rivalry between them that I can recall. A UL-VT annual game would also likely to be picked up as a top shelf national TV game in most seasons.
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Yes.
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
yes and it's ludicrous that they aren't.

(11-07-2016 03:07 PM)orangefan Wrote:  As the CFP committee appears to emphasize strength of schedule, would it be wise to switch permanent cross over games from BC-VT and UL-UVA to UL-VT and BC-UVA? This switch would seem likely to improve the SOS of both VT and UL in most seasons. UL-UVA is a forced rivalry that simply substitutes UL for UMD, with no particular history. BC-VT played together in the Big East, but there was no significant rivalry between them that I can recall. A UL-VT annual game would also likely to be picked up as a top shelf national TV game in most seasons.
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
I'd estimate 98% of Louisville fans would support this move, as would the administration. From reading thoughts of the other three fan bases, it sounds as if BC fans may be the only ones that would balk at the move. Is it accurate to state that BC fans values their matchup with the Hokies as more of a rivalry game than Virginia Tech does?
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
Why is this so hard to see??? I understand the scheduling for we were just placed in Marylands spot, but now after year number 3 you would figure someone would like to move things around to enhance the schedule more so than it is. If this was already the case and VT was on the schedule this year instead of Virginia I would imagine CFP committee would be looking differently at Louisville and their schedule. I feel the ACC powers to be do not want to rock the boat when looking into scheduling, but they need to to make sure they have big games at the beginning as well as the middle of the season and the end of it, and the scheduling for Louisville is terrible when you start the year off with both Clemson and FSU with the first 4 weeks of the season. Now if they would stretch those games out as well as make VT the crossover game then the SOS takes care of its self. Why doesnt the ACC powers to be fix this or is there another issue we are not seeing here???
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As much as I think Mendenhall is going to change things if given time. I adore playing the cavaliers but for SOS sake would rather play the Virginia Tech on a yearly basis.
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I'd estimate 98% of Louisville fans would support this move, as would the administration. From reading thoughts of the other three fan bases, it sounds as if BC fans may be the only ones that would balk at the move. Is it accurate to state that BC fans values their matchup with the Hokies as more of a rivalry game than Virginia Tech does?

I was about to reply to the fact BC wouldn't go for it.

Besides, UL vs. UVA has some juice to it.
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yes please.
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(11-07-2016 03:30 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I'd estimate 98% of Louisville fans would support this move, as would the administration. From reading thoughts of the other three fan bases, it sounds as if BC fans may be the only ones that would balk at the move. Is it accurate to state that BC fans values their matchup with the Hokies as more of a rivalry game than Virginia Tech does?

I was about to reply to the fact BC wouldn't go for it.

Besides, UL vs. UVA has some juice to it.

Valid observation. The carry over from football to basketball to baseball makes Virginia as my choice (although I really think they should do away with permanent rivals).

For me, once you bundle the three sports, UVA would be my choice.
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
I think the powers that be are in uncharted waters. Everyone knows that ACC Football was FSU and everyone else. Then FSU/Clemson and everyone else. VaTech carried the flag for a time but national cache, it has always been about FSU. With Clemson firmly established, FSU coming back from the slow decline while waiting out Bowden, the arrival of U of L right when their program started establishing themselves a program to be heard from, UNC, seemingly, taking steps beyond mediocrity, Miami waking from a deep slumber, Pitt, seemingly, taking steps to get back to its hay day and VaTech obviously making a great hire, some things football related have to be changed. Even the Cuse have to be happy with their new coach. Wake seems like they made a great hire.

With all of this new found football strength, of course it would make sense to maximize the crossover appeal as well as schedule teams to garner a better advantage for OOC games. Obviously, all ACC teams with SEC end of year rivalry games need a bye or cupcake prior to that game. U of L vs VaTech on a yearly basis makes hella sense. The improvement to SOS would greatly increase the ACC chances of getting multiple teams in top 10 and top 4 of the CFP rankings. UVa and BC seems like a better match up for two programs that need to grow and get back to their past level of play. Somehow, work in GaTech and FSU on a annual basis. Plus, put either BC or Cuse over in the Coastal so that distance is not a burden to our Atlantic brothers. I never thought it was just to have FSU travel to both BC and Cuse each year. Why not swing GaTech to the Atlantic and add either BC or Cuse. This would also allow BC or Cuse an annual game in Miami.
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Yes, 05-stirthepot VPI is a natural regional rivalry. Virginia Tech goes back to the old Metro days. I would love to see this happen. 04-cheers
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
No. I would support getting rid of as many crossover rivals as possible.

I would be ok with swapping BC/Louisviile every two years with UVA.
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
(11-07-2016 03:07 PM)orangefan Wrote:  As the CFP committee appears to emphasize strength of schedule, would it be wise to switch permanent cross over games from BC-VT and UL-UVA to UL-VT and BC-UVA? This switch would seem likely to improve the SOS of both VT and UL in most seasons. UL-UVA is a forced rivalry that simply substitutes UL for UMD, with no particular history. BC-VT played together in the Big East, but there was no significant rivalry between them that I can recall. A UL-VT annual game would also likely to be picked up as a top shelf national TV game in most seasons.

Yes, I don't know the politics involved but given our history over the decades with VT and mutual ambitions and typically solid performance of the respective programs it's a bit of a mystery why this didn't happen originally. I'm sure BC and UVA would have rather had one another as they try to build their programs. As other people have said, it's one of the dumber aspects of the conference currently. If the league wants to maximize the product as well as maximize our shot at 2 bids in a given year it's a no brainer.
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(11-07-2016 06:17 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  No. I would support getting rid of as many crossover rivals as possible.

I would be ok with swapping BC/Louisviile every two years with UVA.

In a perfect world I'd rather we cycle through all of the conference. We play Notre Dame more than we do VT and Tech is actually in the league.
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(11-07-2016 03:20 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Why is this so hard to see??? I understand the scheduling for we were just placed in Marylands spot, but now after year number 3 you would figure someone would like to move things around to enhance the schedule more so than it is. If this was already the case and VT was on the schedule this year instead of Virginia I would imagine CFP committee would be looking differently at Louisville and their schedule. I feel the ACC powers to be do not want to rock the boat when looking into scheduling, but they need to to make sure they have big games at the beginning as well as the middle of the season and the end of it, and the scheduling for Louisville is terrible when you start the year off with both Clemson and FSU with the first 4 weeks of the season. Now if they would stretch those games out as well as make VT the crossover game then the SOS takes care of its self. Why doesnt the ACC powers to be fix this or is there another issue we are not seeing here???

You're exactly right. If we had VT last weekend or next weekend and got the win we'd be in ship shape heading into the final weeks.
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RE: Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
Short answer: YES.

Long answer: VT/BT were paired up for one reason - they were the last two without partners when the music stopped playing in 2004. No "rivalry" reason.

Louisville would be a great rival for VT in football. No reason to tamper with the basketball schedule - let them continue to play UVa twice a year.

SoS-wise, it would be a boost for VT and UL, while giving BC and UVa a better shot at a win. It's a no-brainer.
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(11-07-2016 06:17 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  No. I would support getting rid of as many crossover rivals as possible.

I would be ok with swapping BC/Louisviile every two years with UVA.

I like the idea of permanently dumping "crossover rivals" in favor of try to cycle through all the conference teams at a faster pace. I don't know if it could be done or if it would garner any support.
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(11-07-2016 09:51 PM)texasorange Wrote:  
(11-07-2016 06:17 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  No. I would support getting rid of as many crossover rivals as possible.

I would be ok with swapping BC/Louisviile every two years with UVA.

I like the idea of permanently dumping "crossover rivals" in favor of try to cycle through all the conference teams at a faster pace. I don't know if it could be done or if it would garner any support.

There is nobody in the Coastal Division that I want to trade our annual GT game for.
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(11-07-2016 10:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-07-2016 09:51 PM)texasorange Wrote:  
(11-07-2016 06:17 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  No. I would support getting rid of as many crossover rivals as possible.

I would be ok with swapping BC/Louisviile every two years with UVA.

I like the idea of permanently dumping "crossover rivals" in favor of try to cycle through all the conference teams at a faster pace. I don't know if it could be done or if it would garner any support.

There is nobody in the Coastal Division that I want to trade our annual GT game for.

I agree, Clemson would not go for losing GT.
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Should VT and UL be permanent crossovers?
L yes!!!!!!!!!! Louisville & VT go back to the Metro days & they are our closest ACC brethren. For the love of SOS please make this happen already!!!!!! Even if only just for football, even better! This would be a win all around.
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